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Waldorf Kyra FPGA Rack/Desktop Coming to NAMM 2019 (originally Exodus Valkyrie) Keyboard Synthesizers
Old 8th April 2018
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Modal clearly aims at some of the analog space, but I do expect we’ll start to see a lot of FPGA designs staking out their space. DSPs just aren’t getting the investment they need to remain competitive, and ASICs are just too expensive to design for low volume production. Kurzweil has been shifting to FPGA in newer products as well, and no doubt we’ll see more and more boutique manufacturers getting in on it with major players to follow
If anything I expect them to go the opposite way. Newer machines are moving towards general purpose ARM processors with DSP instructions. Eventide H9000 and I believe the Quantum use ARM processors.
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but my actual criticism is that the demos don’t show any real scope. Can you please just have a preset demo with no effects? I made a joke about the Bladerunner pad in another thread, but how about including things like that too?
Precisely,why not just turn off all "hipster garbage" and push one OSC until it aliases as per the marketing claim? It's like the demo of Yamaha "sliders" toy synts back some years ago by those two hilarious dudes jamming free form jazz then when i went to the MI shop to try the demoed DX one out hell lordy the amount of aliasing that produced! The whole demo they made was for nothing.

I not only demand , it's time for a revolution to root out bad synth demoing (except for Akai Dan) no more hipster flimflam with effects , silliconated fake boobs and secret sex in bathrooms with glossy corrected teeth's and washboard belly's Just front close up penis into vulva penetration so one can hear the smacking sound, no frutyflower condoms or Viagra no nothing just hard core porn so we know what we buying for heavens sake!

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If anything I expect them to go the opposite way. Newer machines are moving towards general purpose ARM processors with DSP instructions. Eventide H9000 and I believe the Quantum use ARM processors.
General purpose processors aren't really geared toward the kind of parallelism opportunities that audio naturally affords. Sure, it's an inexpensive way to go but that's not necessarily the same as "compelling" from my standpoint. If the future of digital synthesis is bi-timbral with eight voices, supplemented by relatively generic effects I'm going to be saving a lot of money.
Old 9th April 2018
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Im suprised the reaction isn't more positive to this. It looks totally awesome to me, and the quality of the audio demos immediately jumped out to me. It seems to have the sort of power, presence and musicality that you can get from digital synthesis done really well...
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If anything I expect them to go the opposite way. Newer machines are moving towards general purpose ARM processors with DSP instructions. Eventide H9000 and I believe the Quantum use ARM processors.
There are 220 DSP slices on that FPGA, each executing a multiply-accumulate (most common DSP operation) with many extras at every clock cycle.

Show me an existing ARM or other DSP that can do about 200 GMAC/s.

I recently looked at cheap development options for that chip line, such boards can be had for below 200€.

And indeed, while some people at Synthtopia comments claimed it sounds identical to their Virus TI, I can hear additional detail and depth in the demos, I believe the additional potential is very much there.
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Haven't got to listen to the demos yet, but happy to see some new digital synths coming.

My critique.. in 2018, why use such a tiny display?
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Haven't got to listen to the demos yet, but happy to see some new digital synths coming.
Absolutely! I'm happy for everyone who is enjoying the revival of analog, but I've always been more inclined to look forward than back. It's exciting to see someone looking for ways to use the enormous computational capacity available.

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My critique.. in 2018, why use such a tiny display?
OLED has some relatively affordable fixed sizes, which is why we see something similar in other units as well. High pixel density can make an enormous difference compared to older LCD displays.
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Old 9th April 2018
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I'm really curious what "mainstream pricing" means?
I take it to mean "about what a Virus costs."
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Why the extra sections on top & bottom though? Making the synth much larger.
We can stick all our fridge magnets on those parts
Old 9th April 2018
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I don't know, but my reaction is, why aren't synths moving more readily in this direction? You look at something like the JV-1080 from over 20 years ago, and I feel like synths have gone backward in terms of specs.
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Im suprised the reaction isn't more positive to this. It looks totally awesome to me, and the quality of the audio demos immediately jumped out to me. It seems to have the sort of power, presence and musicality that you can get from digital synthesis done really well...
I think the biggest reason is that people kind of got turned off from the idea of having to do everything in one box. We've already passed that station 20 years ago with workstations like the Triton and Motif.

Sure, you can have everything coming from a single box, but the downside is - everything's coming from a single box. Having a varied palette is a great thing, and giant combi patches that sound great on their own are generally not that useful in the mix.

High polyphony counts were something you needed when you did everything in MIDI and recorded the end result of your mixer's 2-buss. Playing 128 notes simultaneously via MIDI with all the delay and jitter and serial connection (at 32kbps) involved - how far apart do you think the first and last notes are going to be?

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General purpose processors aren't really geared toward the kind of parallelism opportunities that audio naturally affords. Sure, it's an inexpensive way to go but that's not necessarily the same as "compelling" from my standpoint. If the future of digital synthesis is bi-timbral with eight voices, supplemented by relatively generic effects I'm going to be saving a lot of money.
They may not be geared towards it but price and volume overrule everything.

Audio is realtime. As long as there is a signal at every buffer call, it doesn't matter if it takes 90% or 10% of the time to fill that buffer, as long as the work is done.
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It's never about playing 128 notes simultaneously, as in them starting all at the same time. Notes would come at different times, and differently set up envelopes will make voices decay at different rates, this is where you'd want that high polyphony. 32 kb/s is perfectly enough for this sort of thing. That, and stacking patches. You don't need 128 notes coming in via MIDI, at all, in order to fill up the polyphony.
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Urh, those demo tracks. I’m not really hearing anything that impressive. If you told me this was Dune 2 or Spire, I’d believe you.
You say it like that was a bad thing.
A hardware option for this kind of sound is nice.
It means i will have it in 20 years still.

Next stop: Diva/Zebra hardware pretty please. Urs began the way already
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Hmm no website or contact adress?
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I would be interested with all modulations running at audio rate, and if they make it modular, using the internal audio bus concept on the earlier Virus models. Should extend it to modulations! I never understood why they dropped the busses on the TI. Think about envelope gating, envelope following filters and so on with whole effected parts. Now I would have to patch it with cables at the back, using up precious analog inputs. You can’t do a proper trance gate with a hardware synth built for trance. Meh.


I see no external audio inputs mentioned.
That should be a hardware option, at least.
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I don't feel it, looks like a synth from the Virus TI era where people needed a lot of power in HW to make up for the lack of CPU power in computers.

The UI looks not as accessible and as fast for programming as Peak or S8. Doesn't seem to fit the current dominant paradigm of great UI for jamming/improvisation.
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OLED has some relatively affordable fixed sizes, which is why we see something similar in other units as well. High pixel density can make an enormous difference compared to older LCD displays.
I get this.. but when you have a smaller display than a K2000 (1990) or Vsynth... What were the biggest complaints about older digital synths? menu diving on small displays.

Seriously.. put a bigger display on there.. or 3 or 4 smaller displays.
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I get this.. but when you have a smaller display than a K2000 (1990) or Vsynth... What were the biggest complaints about older digital synths? menu diving on small displays.
I’d like to see this in action before I take issue with it. My Kurzweil Forte’s screen is no larger than the K2000/2500 but it displays two or three times as much information in many cases because of the increased pixel density, reducing the amount of menu diving I do to get a task done.
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I am a musician and if I can, I would like to express some opinions on your new synth, the sound is fantastic, I like it very much. I am a beta tester of Tone2 Software.
I have many new synths such as the Abastrakt Instruments Peak Novation 2 Avalon, Pulse2 Waldorf and the same Access Virus Ti2, but also Roland Tb-303 etc.
I would like to say only one last thing, the desktop is ugly and has no personality, it looks like the bad copy of Virus Ti2 and if it removes such it looks like a product from XOXbox that I detest. Please take care of the case as it is essential in trying to sell this beautiful synth with features close to Access Virus.I'm intending to buy it and make sounds for this synth but only if the case will not be so horrible. Please forgive me for my sincerity. Good luck.
Old 9th April 2018
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I like the blue one it has some personality, the gray not so much.
Old 9th April 2018
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Dig the concept, sounds like execution is fine. IMO It's one of the uses for "VA" -- large voice counts that'd be prohibitively expensive in analog hardware.

My personal music taste is more on the techno/house/funk/jazz side of things, so the demos don't really do it for me from a musical standpoint. I also like boxes that bring either/or sampling and sequencing to the mix (both is nice, but nobody really makes an advanced sequencer these days outside of DAW land, and by that I mean a sequencer that lets you mix swing percentages and amounts in a single track, at different points in the track, and other similar fun things, with a real event editor and good linear sequencing capabilities). So this isn't really a thing for me, but I'm all for people making new digital stuff. I'd also eventually like to see more esoteric things make it into digital (another place where digital can be good -- what's new stuff that we can do to sound?).
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You say it like that was a bad thing.
A hardware option for this kind of sound is nice.
It means i will have it in 20 years still.

Next stop: Diva/Zebra hardware pretty please. Urs began the way already
It is a bad thing for me. I don’t have infinite money or space, so I look to any hardware as an extension to what I can do with software. If you’re only offering me Dune II with tons of CPU-free voices, I’ll pass, though I can see the attraction for someone else.

Dedicated Diva hardware? Just get a KingKORG and/or System 8. Zebra? Kind of impossible.
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Zebra? Kind of impossible.
Not plausible with a fixed voice count, sure, but with dynamic resource allocation there’s no reason I can see why it couldn’t be done. The primary challenge would be UI design and even that’s not difficult to imagine with a touchscreen. It’s much harder to imagine any of the major players taking on that big a risk, which is why I’m excited to see some innovation coming from the fringes.
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I am a musician and if I can, I would like to express some opinions on your new synth, the sound is fantastic, I like it very much. I am a beta tester of Tone2 Software.
I have many new synths such as the Abastrakt Instruments Peak Novation 2 Avalon, Pulse2 Waldorf and the same Access Virus Ti2, but also Roland Tb-303 etc.
I would like to say only one last thing, the desktop is ugly and has no personality, it looks like the bad copy of Virus Ti2 and if it removes such it looks like a product from XOXbox that I detest. Please take care of the case as it is essential in trying to sell this beautiful synth with features close to Access Virus.I'm intending to buy it and make sounds for this synth but only if the case will not be so horrible. Please forgive me for my sincerity. Good luck.
I kinda like the case, it looks like 1970s office equipment

Just need a space in a brutalist, cement-clad tower to put it in it’s natural habitat.
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Playing 128 notes simultaneously via MIDI...
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I kinda doubt they'll change how it looks at this point.
Old 9th April 2018
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I am a musician and if I can, I would like to express some opinions on your new synth, the sound is fantastic, I like it very much. I am a beta tester of Tone2 Software.
I have many new synths such as the Abastrakt Instruments Peak Novation 2 Avalon, Pulse2 Waldorf and the same Access Virus Ti2, but also Roland Tb-303 etc.
I would like to say only one last thing, the desktop is ugly and has no personality, it looks like the bad copy of Virus Ti2 and if it removes such it looks like a product from XOXbox that I detest. Please take care of the case as it is essential in trying to sell this beautiful synth with features close to Access Virus.I'm intending to buy it and make sounds for this synth but only if the case will not be so horrible. Please forgive me for my sincerity. Good luck.
Put some rubber drum pads and sequencer controls in that blank space with the associated sampling capability and I’d have a serious look at it. Like a newly updated Command Station... Yeah.
Old 9th April 2018
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I’m very curious about how the keyboard and rack versions will look like.
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