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Waldorf Kyra FPGA Rack/Desktop Coming to NAMM 2019 (originally Exodus Valkyrie) Keyboard Synthesizers
Old 9th June 2018
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Look, Waldorf probably doesn't have any FPGA specialists, they're most likely going to let they guy handle it all himself. The way FPGAs work you can't just drop in the DSP code from the other Waldorf synths.
esp since sharc is a drifting platform

waldorf has plug experience though so if total integration style vst/au is in the mix, at least there is a support infrastructure.

seems like good stuff, so..2019...excellent!
Old 9th June 2018
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They have Rolf Wöhrmann on hire for ARM programming and now Mr. Caballero for FPGA.

Generation change completed.
Old 10th June 2018
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Interesting synth development!

My recently purchased Antelope Orion32 HD interface implements FPGA tech to model all manner of great sounding analog outboard gear (like EQ’s and compressors) which allows one to track and mix with these classic virtual analog “hardware” units.

This is my first experience with a new audio interface that is fully into FPGA implementations. Although I haven’t utilized these FPGA “hardware units” on the Orion yet, the tech sounds very promising. (I’m still neck deep trying to get my home studio gear set up - with a lot of actual outboard hardware).

But, I’ve been curious to see how other designers and companies will be utilizing this new tech, which sounds like it has so much potential. The Kyra (aka Valkerie) looks and sounds like a very forward-thinking synth. Color me interested.

Old 10th June 2018
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Was it ever mentioned if the Valkyrie was rack-mountable?
Old 10th June 2018
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Was it ever mentioned if the Valkyrie was rack-mountable?
Yes it is.
Old 10th June 2018
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Waldorf Kyra

This looks to be a real monster from Waldorf.
Rack/desktop version coming first:


Waldorf Kyra To Be The First Fully FPGA Powered Synthesizer – Synthtopia
Old 10th June 2018
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Haha seems I was maybe to quick to post this. After reading more isn't this the Valkerie that was first shown at Namn 2018? Seems Waldorf are taking over?
Old 10th June 2018
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Haha seems I was maybe to quick to post this. After reading more isn't this the Valkerie that was first shown at Namn 2018? Seems Waldorf are taking over?
Fully-developed (for Waldorf, requiring little if any further low-level s/w development) and productized (on behalf of the original Valkyrie developer, with full physical workup by Axel Hartmann) are both pretty big wins. If Quantum had not existed in concept, it'd be the next-gen Q (and Virus!) replacement that many had hoped Blofeld would have been IMHO.
Old 10th June 2018
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Yes it is.
Thanks, man! Hard to keep up with all the new fancy synths coming out. Love the Access-style multi-channel digital I/O, too. I remember in the original demo video, the developer indicated that it's class-compliant—so no drivers needed to get digital audio over USB.

The Kyra does look beautiful (from what little of it we can see). Looks like some high-tech medical device. Does anyone recall what the projected price point (if any) was mentioned for the Valkyrie (which I assume applies to the now, re-named Kyra)?
Old 10th June 2018
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Does anyone recall what the projected price point (if any) was mentioned for the Valkyrie (which I assume applies to the now, re-named Kyra)?
Yep. It's in the press release as well as being pasted on the last couple pages of this thread. As is the information about it being rack-mounted etc.
Old 10th June 2018
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Thanks, man! Hard to keep up with all the new fancy synths coming out. Love the Access-style multi-channel digital I/O, too. I remember in the original demo video, the developer indicated that it's class-compliant—so no drivers needed to get digital audio over USB. The Kyra does look beautiful (from what little of it we can see). Looks like some high-tech medical device. Does anyone recall what the projected price point (if any) was mentioned for the Valkyrie (which I assume applies to the now, re-named Kyra)?
€1,899
Old 10th June 2018
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Old 10th June 2018
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€1,899
Thanks! Oh, duh. I just read that last night. Too many fancy new synths to keep up with.
Old 10th June 2018
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Great news! exactly what i was thinking when i saw it at namm. Some designer/marketing input from a company like waldorf. Excellent combo, that.
those renderings look really nice.
Old 10th June 2018
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Something to finally surpass the Virus Ti, It seems it exceeds all the specs of it except the multitimbrality parts, I hope it's priced competitively.
Old 10th June 2018
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Super happy for this guy!
Old 10th June 2018
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Definitely the most exciting VA to come along in, maybe ever. Now it just got a little bit more excitig with Waldorf’s help. It will probably he more available, cost less money, and more people are likely to make these FPGA files, if the first two are true.

So the idea here, is sort of like Roland’s plugout, right? You have the Kyra’s engine, but can load other engines? Is it an engine as a whole, or can I load a certain filter, a certain oscillator sound alone?

This is going to get interesting. Software developers everywhere are going to be making files for this.
Old 10th June 2018
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Whoa.

Given Waldorf's association with Korg in North America this is fantastic. It means I might be able to walk into a local B&M store and buy this, or at least order it and not have to pay shipping like it was coming via Jupiter. Always thought that FPGA was the way forward for digital synthesis (there's an analog equivalent to an FPGA but they aren't quite as practical) rather than custom DSPs and the like.
Old 10th June 2018
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18 slot mod matrix.



Edit: actually according to the SS video it appears that "a comprehensive 18-channel modulation matrix" means six slots each having three destinations available, so not exactly what I thought....

Last edited by asynchro_nous; 10th June 2018 at 05:22 PM..
Old 10th June 2018
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I think this is a good decision for Manuel.
His engine IMO needed 'musical refinement' and i think waldorf may provide it. Waldorf also know how to roll hardware so i think this will help him immensely too.
All in all i think this synth has more potential now.
Old 10th June 2018
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18 slot mod matrix.
This is what currently the Virus TI offers as well.

Anyway, nice move from Waldorf, let's see how Access will react
Old 10th June 2018
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This is what currently the Virus TI offers as well.

Anyway, nice move from Waldorf, let's see how Access will react
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Old 10th June 2018
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As long as its optional and can be switched off i wont argue against it, but in general i think Total Integration or Overbridge are a waste of developer time that i have to pay for.

Afterall a synthesizer has to work without computer too and therfor always needs audio jacks.
Yeah, I get that, but if the synth generates audio digitally anyway, and then it needs to be digital in a DAW, I'd like a digital out in a synth (I find the "let's convert digital audio to analog so that it can be recorded digitally in a DAW" notion idiotic). My XS6 still has SPDIF out, but most synths nowadays only offer digital audio via USB. And as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) if you want to use a digital USB audio out then in most cases the synth wants to act as your main audio interface. I guess that's fine if you have only one synth... And that's precisely why I find Virus' approach useful and elegant, as it simply imitates a soft synth instead of trying to completely take over your studio.
Old 10th June 2018
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I have a feeling that without Korg distribution support, Waldorf wouldn't have bandwidth to get Kyra/Valkyrie off the ground.
Old 10th June 2018
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Now, lets speculate, Waldurf adds anal-og VCF and VCA to Val-kyria! Nooooo....would be the death of Quantiumodo!
Old 11th June 2018
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why do we need two threads for the same synth?


can mods just rename the Valkyrie thread to Waldorf Kyra (ex-Valkyrie) or something like that, and be done with it.

original thread name is innacurate anyway since the synth cant do wavetabling . its much more than VA too, so ..

that said, hope springs eternal that waldorf adds wavetabling i.e. scanning in the future

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Old 11th June 2018
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why do we need two threads for the same synth?


can mods just rename the Valkyrie thread to Waldorf Kyra (ex-Valkyrie) or something like that, and be done with it.
That would seem to make the most sense, certainly. I'll send a request.

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original thread name is innacurate anyway since the synth cant do wavetabling .
I've seen that assertion any number of times, but I don't think we actually know for certain one way or another. It's not like there was exhaustive documentation available on what Valkyrie was, but I continue to suspect that the piano-like evolving sounds suggest that it does indeed scan wavetables.
Old 11th June 2018
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Wow, big time stuff all around.
More about it here https://www.soundonsound.com/news/wa...d-call-it-kyra
Old 11th June 2018
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I've seen that assertion any number of times, but I don't think we actually know for certain one way or another. It's not like there was exhaustive documentation available on what Valkyrie was, but I continue to suspect that the piano-like evolving sounds suggest that it does indeed scan wavetables.
I think the guy said in one of the videos that there is no interpolation between single cycle waves (not 100% sure, to lazy to rewatch them all, sorry). With one of the piano-like sounds he stated that he uses oscillator synchronization for the spectral change (probably syncing to a lower pitch to shorten a single cycle wave that has multiple zero-crossings or going from e.g. 5/4th of a wave to a single cycle to add some buzz to the attack). There are also a bunch of other options to generate spectral changes on the oscillator level, especially FM and fading the RM in or out (but even a bit of simple PWM by an envelope can help and you can even do a reasonably piano-ish sound by a slim pulse into a filter...).

Also everything we see from the user interface suggests the use of single cycle waves. Some of the groups (e.g. gap saw in one of the demos) group very similar waves in the "right" order. By modulating the wave choice in these groups you should get a non-interpolated wavetable-like sound (if it switches waves only after full cycles/at zero crossings). Avoiding interpolation keeps the sound "crisp", but the stepping will be noticeable at slow sweeps and it creates a slight buzz/noise/artifact for faster sweeps that works well for some sounds and can be annoying for some other sounds...
Old 11th June 2018
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