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Waldorf Kyra FPGA Rack/Desktop Coming to NAMM 2019 (originally Exodus Valkyrie) Desktop Synthesizers
Old 21st April 2018
  #271
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I like the sound of it myself more than the Solaris and it's more affordable as well. The whole concept is quite interesting, my main hope is that it will be available in 19' rack format..

I think it's amazing that one guy created the whole thing with his own resources
from scratch.
That's why the Sonicstate BS was so low class, here's a guy who released a childhood dream all on his own & brought something new to the table.
To Nick's credit he did stay neutral & even defended it a bit..

I think the synth/music community should be more supportive of people like him
when they attack its personal because its just a one man operation.

Here's hoping the Valkyrie takes flight..
I thought Sonicstate were pretty much spot on. Ty's reservations are absolutely valid - we need to see/hear more of what sets this synth/platform apart. Honest, well-meaning criticism, nothing low class about it.

I'm excited by the Valkyrie but the phrase "feature complete" sits a little uneasily with me. Looking over everything we've seen, I think it still needs a little work. I'd rather not sit on the feature creep side of the fence, but I'm going to. I want to see more drive models, mod slots, envelopes, LFO's and a stereo audio in.
Old 21st April 2018
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Luke Perry seems to have done most of the patches shown, and he's famous for his Virus patches. So, he did similar things with Valkyrie. In hindsight, perhaps that was not the best idea. I'm sure Valkyrie can do much more than what audio examples have shown.
Never heard of the guy. Does he have a website? If i google Luke Perry, i am only getting some bearded actor..
Old 21st April 2018
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Luke Terry. Sorry, typo.
Old 22nd April 2018
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I just now heard of this instrument, and checked out the sonicstate video from Musicmesse 2018....What I’m thinking is that this is the Access Virus TI3 with all the functionality I’ve always wanted. No idea about bugs, etc...but this seems to have FAR more power than the old DSP chips used in the Virus. The sound is really deep and lovely...I’ve never heard a VA or wavetable synth that can get so so close to a piano sound, which really speaks to the depth of programming available. I’ve got samplers and a computer if I want an actual piano...but they are incredibly hard to synthesize accurately and therefore I think it showcases the power here.

I don’t tend to be an early adopter, but once I see some feedback from actual users, at this point I think I’m going to sell my Virus and buy a Valkyrie.

Haven’t read the entire thread, but anybody feel the same way here? Virus killer? Ho-Hum? At the moment, I make 80’s inspired modern sounding music, so a classic polysynth sound with modern features and multi-timbrality with separate effects per part and insane polyphony (way over the practical level the Virus can manage!!!) seems like a dream synth. Just heard sub €2000, which is well worth it given the raw sound I just heard.
Old 22nd April 2018
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Precisely,why not just turn off all "hipster garbage" and push one OSC until it aliases as per the marketing claim? It's like the demo of Yamaha "sliders" toy synts back some years ago by those two hilarious dudes jamming free form jazz then when i went to the MI shop to try the demoed DX one out hell lordy the amount of aliasing that produced! The whole demo they made was for nothing.

I not only demand , it's time for a revolution to root out bad synth demoing (except for Akai Dan) no more hipster flimflam with effects , silliconated fake boobs and secret sex in bathrooms with glossy corrected teeth's and washboard belly's Just front close up penis into vulva penetration so one can hear the smacking sound, no frutyflower condoms or Viagra no nothing just hard core porn so we know what we buying for heavens sake!

A serious question: why do you care if a digital synth aliases up in notes you’ll never use that will hurt your dog’s ears? Of course I realize you might be talking about FM/Ring Mod/Sync....but if you seriously want a synth that will never alias, why not get an analog poly? For this type of money you could get a very nice one and simply stack two or three tracks either as audio or in a sampler to get sounds that are realistically too fat to use in a mix without paring them down.

I’m interested in your reply....and I’m not being a smart ass, I’m actually interested in your opinion here.
Old 22nd April 2018
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If we're talking about Virus killing by aesthetics, then I think the Virus C is still the prettiest..
Old 22nd April 2018
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If we're talking about Virus killing by aesthetics, then I think the Virus C is still the prettiest..
I like my Whiteout the best looking IMO..


Old 22nd April 2018
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Never heard of the guy. Does he have a website? If i google Luke Perry, i am only getting some bearded actor..
Old 22nd April 2018
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Never heard of the guy. Does he have a website? If i google Luke Perry, i am only getting some bearded actor..
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Luke Terry. Sorry, typo.
Still not much better. I'm getting a one-armed baseball catcher or the managing director of ‎Vanguard Laundry Services, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia.
Old 22nd April 2018
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Luke Perry seems to have done most of the patches shown, and he's famous for his Virus patches. So, he did similar things with Valkyrie. In hindsight, perhaps that was not the best idea. I'm sure Valkyrie can do much more than what audio examples have shown.
So true. I think it would really help developers if they got a few units out to a handful of sound designers of different styles and see what they come up with. They don’t have to be super famous. I think U-He does a great job at that. Even though I rarely use their presets, they’re inspirational and often lead to something great that I may not have come up with from an init patch.
Old 22nd April 2018
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on a serious note, so do we know if this thing can scan the wavetables or what ?

or he's just using a fancy, misguided name for plane jane single cycle waveforms?
Old 22nd April 2018
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It's single-cycles (and 4096 of them) from what I gather.



See 0:50 onwards here. Not sure if they can be sweeped.

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Old 22nd April 2018
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A serious question: why do you care if a digital synth aliases up in notes you’ll never use that will hurt your dog’s ears? Of course I realize you might be talking about FM/Ring Mod/Sync....but if you seriously want a synth that will never alias, why not get an analog poly? For this type of money you could get a very nice one and simply stack two or three tracks either as audio or in a sampler to get sounds that are realistically too fat to use in a mix without paring them down.

I’m interested in your reply....and I’m not being a smart ass, I’m actually interested in your opinion here.
You don’t have to play a high note to hear aliasing.
Old 22nd April 2018
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It's single-cycles (and 4096 of them) from what I gather. ... Not sure if they can be sweeped.
How would the piano be achieved if they can’t? At least one video interview pretty clearly suggested this was how the tonal change over time was modelled.
Old 22nd April 2018
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Yeah, by using hardsync.
Old 22nd April 2018
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You don’t have to play a high note to hear aliasing.
Well...that’s completely true in SOME instances, like FM, distortion algos, ring mod, AM, even oscillator sync...but if we are talking digital oscillators (as opposed to samplers, which are a totally different story!) then I’m unfamiliar with a usage case outside of those I mentioned where you might get unintended aliasing...?... I’m always willing to be corrected and learn. An example, the Virus, which is known to alias in its upper registers, but there is none I can hear in the bass or mid ranges.

Examples? I’m not trolling at all here, I’d like to know more.
Old 22nd April 2018
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Well...that’s completely true in SOME instances, like FM, distortion algos, ring mod, AM, even oscillator sync...but if we are talking digital oscillators (as opposed to samplers, which are a totally different story!) then I’m unfamiliar with a usage case outside of those I mentioned where you might get unintended aliasing...?... I’m always willing to be corrected and learn. An example, the Virus, which is known to alias in its upper registers, but there is none I can hear in the bass or mid ranges.

Examples? I’m not trolling at all here, I’d like to know more.
Just compare a VCO analog sawtooth to a Virus’ at the upper range of a 61 key controller and you’ll hear the somewhat more harsh overtones. I’m not saying it’s horrible or unusable. In a lot of cases it can be used.
Old 22nd April 2018
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Yeah, by using hardsync.
Hardsync on a single cycle waveform isn't going to give you anything remotely approaching the evolving tonal qualities we've heard. Filters alone aren't likely to, either, but I guess we'll have to wait for more details to know the story with any certainty.
Old 22nd April 2018
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Just compare a VCO analog sawtooth to a Virus’ at the upper range of a 61 key controller and you’ll hear the somewhat more harsh overtones. I’m not saying it’s horrible or unusable. In a lot of cases it can be used.
Oh yeah...I 100% agree there. When you said you didn’t need a high note I was confused a bit. This same sound by the way can be really beefy and cool if sampled and played lower on the keyboard.
Old 23rd April 2018
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Hardsync on a single cycle waveform isn't going to give you anything remotely approaching the evolving tonal qualities we've heard. Filters alone aren't likely to, either, but I guess we'll have to wait for more details to know the story with any certainty.
Hardsync was the prefered method to make "pianos" on analog synths. May be with the right waveform it can sound like that?

If i can muster some sparetime tonight i am going to check it out with Zebra2.
Old 23rd April 2018
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Hardsync on a single cycle waveform isn't going to give you anything remotely approaching the evolving tonal qualities we've heard. Filters alone aren't likely to, either, but I guess we'll have to wait for more details to know the story with any certainty.
Hey, that's what the creator of the synth said in the video. Add a decaying pitch envelope to one of the sync'd oscillators and there's your hardsync movement...
Old 23rd April 2018
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Hardsync was the prefered method to make "pianos" on analog synths. May be with the right waveform it can sound like that?

If i can muster some sparetime tonight i am going to check it out with Zebra2.
Yes, hard sync does help to provide that “stringy” sound...but I’ve pretty much hit the wall with that technique...I end up with convincing bass guitar patches along with some really great EP sounds, but nothing very close to an acoustic piano. The musicmesse video had a piano sound that, while obviously synthetic, DID have some very piano-like qualities to my ears. I can get pretty close using the Alpha Juno...the SWM (saw wave with squares cut out) gives a very nice approximation. I was just pretty impressed by the sound of it. As others have said, we need to hear some demos that aren’t using all the oscillators to make it “phat”...it’s a shame that we haven’t seen more subtle and delicate programming of the synth.

To respond to those bemoaning the use of an FPGA as opposed to direct DSP programming ala SHARK/ARM units, I would like to point out that the processor clock frequency that can be obtained (similar to Novation’s Peak oscillators) is usually much higher. Generating simple waveforms at such a high clock frequency makes them much less like digital oscillators and more like their analog counterparts. Analog oscillators are of course generated at an “infinite” rate (up to the bandwidth of the synth) and digital oscillators generated at their sampling rate. Just as a higher bit depth and higher sampling frequency can allow for a better representation of an analog input at an A/D converter, it is my contention that a waveform generates at, say, 24MHz will have extended bandwidth and closer approximation to ideal than one generated at, say, 48kHz or even 96kHz. I of course have absolutely no idea of the rate this FPGA is ran, but the Novation Peak is ran at 24MHz and I cannot hear any difference between it and it’s analog brethren. The difference is that in Peak everything else is analog and the Valkyrie is completely digital.

This synth goes well beyond what any other analog or even digital synth will do natively given its huge oscillator and polyphony count. This is the same polyphony as my EMU Ultra sampler, which of course cannot provide 10 oscillators without resampling them back into a single waveform. I’m pretty excited to see an actual production model of this unit and to demo one as soon as possible. If it can be used as a synth with deep programming and subtlety then I’m in. Sometimes I want a stab or pluck that’s deeply detuned with a nice stereo spread, but most of the time I’m looking for something a bit more nuanced from my synths.
Old 23rd April 2018
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It's single-cycles (and 4096 of them) from what I gather.

See 0:50 onwards here. Not sure if they can be sweeped.
Doesn't seem like much point to have 4096 single cycle waveforms unless you could sweep through them
Old 23rd April 2018
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Still not much better. I'm getting a one-armed baseball catcher or the managing director of ‎Vanguard Laundry Services, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia.
LMGTFY
Old 23rd April 2018
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Hey, that's what the creator of the synth said in the video. Add a decaying pitch envelope to one of the sync'd oscillators and there's your hardsync movement...
Yeah, that’s the “tearing sync sound” (cliche to even say) that you’re talking about, I think. I’m thinking of static sync that acts as a form of waveshaping.
Old 24th April 2018
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I've heard people claim that because of too many comparisons and allusions to a virus, that it will shoot itself in the foot as it will undermine itself and people won't want to buy it because it will be perceived as not offering anything to distinguish itself.

I think this position may possibly prove incorrect, as it over estimates a buying publics ability to apply reason to purchase decisions. because if this were true, then you'd have to ask why Roland did ok with not distinguishing their remakes in any particular respect. so one thing it assumes is that there is no pent up demand for a Virus remake.

I think there is no reason to think there is any less pent up demand for a Virus remake than there may be for Roland. and all this assumes it is a Virus remake. but to me this just means that the ones who think it is and like the idea, will buy it, and the ones who think it isn't and are attracted to that idea, may also buy it.

I think it will probably excel at certain things and those things will be able to be leveraged multi timbraly. even if an argument was made for it not being dissimilar to utilising plugins, and if you assume that's true for the sake of argument, you also would have to take into account the current trend to want to take an ITB requirement out of the equation. and in this case there seems to be no usual technological constraints on the hardware.

I can't see why the unit wont fulfil enough various requirements and place them in one stand alone unit.
I think it will probably do ok in the market.

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Old 24th April 2018
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You're all wrong, it's a RADIAS clone. Manuel has obviously programmed the RADIAS circuits exactly in an FPGA and has stolen the source code from Krog to make a RADIAS II. The knobs and buttons resembling the Virus ones are to throw you off the trail!
Old 24th April 2018
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You're all wrong, it's a RADIAS clone. Manuel has obviously programmed the RADIAS circuits exactly in an FPGA and has stolen the source code from Krog to make a RADIAS II. The knobs and buttons resembling the Virus ones are to throw you off the trail!


Krog is not happy...
Old 24th April 2018
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I really want to like this. After watching all the videos I could find, I really haven’t heard many sounds that convinced me this was a vital instrument. There’s something about all these swirly string pads that is just distasteful to me, almost dizzying. Maybe it’s because of the stereo LFO’s Manuel described. It’s a great use of technology, I hope they can demonstrate it a little better.
Old 24th April 2018
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I really want to like this. After watching all the videos I could find, I really haven’t heard many sounds that convinced me this was a vital instrument. There’s something about all these swirly string pads that is just distasteful to me, almost dizzying. Maybe it’s because of the stereo LFO’s Manuel described. It’s a great use of technology, I hope they can demonstrate it a little better.
I feel bad for the developer. Clearly he's made something that's high quality and he's stocked it full of the types of sounds that he likes, but I fear that GearSlutz isn't in sync with that style of sound design. On the other hand, maybe the majority of the world is looking for exactly that type of sound. I suspect that when Nick gets it into his secret lair and puts it though its paces, we'll have a better idea about its overall character.
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