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acid heads - pro-co rat2 yes or no? Effects Pedals, Units & Accessories
Old 13th March 2018
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acid heads - pro-co rat2 yes or no?

yes i know the version 1 was a classic but i only just looked at the price of this thing and i was surprised, seems very reasonable considering how many times i have heard it's predecessors name.

my question to owners of the model 2: is it great, ok or just good for the money? my moog drive is pretty gnarly at full tilt but i imagine this has the tone that is more suited to a 303 line?

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as an example here's the Moog on a simple line from zero to max from saw thru to square and back so will i get more or less is my question?

Old 13th March 2018
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The way the rat interacts with the 303 accent (especially the square wave) is the thing - there's magic there. You'd probably need to test that for a better comparison.
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i think there are far better alternatives out there than hunting some vintage pedals. and tbh, i would just get a few drive pedals, and don't forget to try some dedicated bass pedals as well. there's some with separate drive control for low and high frequencies. distortion moved on quite a bit from the 80s/early 90s and i would look into having something like a gated fuzz, a classic overdrive and also a full on metal distortion with a wide range of distortion control and expansive eq. there's more to interesting acid than just sticking the same old recipe of rat or mxr dist on top of a glidey resonance bass line. you don't need to go overboard with buying boutique pedals. lots can be had for under 100, and more around the 50 euro mark, especially if hunting used. beauty with pedals is that there are always tons of them out there, especially distortion, as guitarists are on a perpetual hunt for the perfect drive combination (i should know, as i've spent the last 15 years buying and selling stuff to achieve it )
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You’ll be fine with the Rat 2. Male sure you use a reamping box.
Old 13th March 2018
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well i was going to rely on SW but i am now against that idea due to how i want to build my portable setup specifically for acid, i have a couple of different distortion/drive FX to keep the sound different and i know my moog very well, i have got a blues driver on the way to test and also a behringer clone of something but just looking for something a little more twangy hence the rat question, as always Seb your answer is decent
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You’ll be fine with the Rat 2. Male sure you use a reamping box.
oh it can't take a straight out then?
Old 13th March 2018
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For my acid boxes, I have the following pedals:
Bad Monkey
Boss SD-1
MXR Distortion+
Old 13th March 2018
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I run my Avalon straight into a Rat with no issues and it works great.
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i want to build my portable setup specifically for acid
Mate, you have a new wean - unless it's to transport your PORTABLE ACID RIG around the Mother and Baby Groups of Liverpool, then you need to have a good look at yourself
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oh it can't take a straight out then?
You can go straight in but you won’t get much range from the knobs and won’t get many subtle tones from it .It will go from not enough to too much pretty fast.
It sounds better and you get a wider range of tones (you can get usable sonds from the knobs full range) if you feed it signals at the correct impedance. Same with most pedals.
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Mate, you have a new wean - unless it's to transport your PORTABLE ACID RIG around the Mother and Baby Groups of Liverpool, then you need to have a good look at yourself
i'm not from Liverpool ya daft begger
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i'm not from Liverpool ya daft begger
I thought it used to say that in your profile
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You can go straight in but you won’t get much range from the knobs and won’t get many subtle tones from it .It will go from not enough to too much pretty fast.
It sounds better and you get a wider range of tones (you can get usable sonds from the knobs full range) if you feed it signals at the correct impedance. Same with most pedals.
interesting, never noticed anything missing/weird on the moog and it is a pretty gradual increase as can be heard above, i actually assumed they would all act the same and am new at using guitar pedals, TBf i have never plugged a guitar in it either so i have no idea of how subtle it should be

so you reamp before the fx box to drop everything down but then it's output will be low for my mixer input surely unless reamped back up? if so that is a bit more of a faff than i can be arsed with

edit: ill go look at this proper i think
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I thought it used to say that in your profile
bloody hope not, unless those chinese russians hacked me again
Old 13th March 2018
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I love the Rat 2! I use it on the sub 37 and a parallel send in Ableton. It's great and the tone is awesome
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I have had the best luck with distortion/fuzz pedals that are specifically for bass. Even if it’s not a bass line per se, but maybe something with fundamentals in the low-mids, regular distortion/fuzz pedals suck some low end meat, instantly when activated.

Bass pedals are designed to focus in on lower frequencies, typically have a wet/dry, and sometimes filters. Recently got a EHX Big Muff Bass Deluxe and its sounds pretty damn good.

If you gotta have the Rat, then you can always get a blend pedal, or work out some sort of send-return with a mixer. Isn’t there some sort of Rat version for bass? I believe it’s called the Juggernaut.
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MXR Distortion+ is the way to go with an actual TB-303 or transistor matched x0xbox. the Rat is nice, but the range is limiting and i swear their is a pronounced freq roll-off at max smoke acid squelch.
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MXR Distortion+ is the way to go with an actual TB-303 or transistor matched x0xbox. the Rat is nice, but the range is limiting and i swear their is a pronounced freq roll-off at max smoke acid squelch.
+1 Hardfloor stylee. Yum.
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so you reamp before the fx box to drop everything down but then it's output will be low for my mixer input surely unless reamped back up? if so that is a bit more of a faff than i can be arsed with
Normally you’d use a d.i.box or preamp to bring the signal back to line level.
If your going into a mixer you could maybe use a channel with mic pre.
One of my soundcards ( focusrite pro26 )has 2 channels switchable between line and instrument levels channels. It’s like a d.i. box and pre amp in one.Thats what I’m using for now with a couple pf palmer daccapo reamping boxes that people say are as good or better than some of the more expensive radial stuff.
If you chain pedals you only need one reamping box at the start of the chain and one d.i. or preamp at the end.
It doesn’t seem to harm my workflow as it's just an extra couple of cables to hook everything up and it’s pretty much set and forget.
They are well worth the investment. You get a wider range of pedals to choose from and you can get a wider range of sounds from the pedals.
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Normally you’d use a d.i.box or preamp to bring the signal back to line level.
If your going into a mixer you could maybe use a channel with mic pre.
One of my soundcards ( focusrite pro26 )has 2 channels switchable between line and instrument levels channels. It’s like a d.i. box and pre amp in one.Thats what I’m using for now with a couple pf palmer daccapo reamping boxes that people say are as good or better than some of the more expensive radial stuff.
If you chain pedals you only need one reamping box at the start of the chain and one d.i. or preamp at the end.
It doesn’t seem to harm my workflow as it's just an extra couple of cables to hook everything up and it’s pretty much set and forget.
They are well worth the investment. You get a wider range of pedals to choose from and you can get a wider range of sounds from the pedals.
Jonesing for a Radial EXTC-SA. That is THE tool for the job.
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Normally you’d use a d.i.box or preamp to bring the signal back to line level.
If your going into a mixer you could maybe use a channel with mic pre.
One of my soundcards ( focusrite pro26 )has 2 channels switchable between line and instrument levels channels. It’s like a d.i. box and pre amp in one.Thats what I’m using for now with a couple pf palmer daccapo reamping boxes that people say are as good or better than some of the more expensive radial stuff.
If you chain pedals you only need one reamping box at the start of the chain and one d.i. or preamp at the end.
It doesn’t seem to harm my workflow as it's just an extra couple of cables to hook everything up and it’s pretty much set and forget.
They are well worth the investment. You get a wider range of pedals to choose from and you can get a wider range of sounds from the pedals.
good info cheers fella, my mixer has a +50 gain pre fader on the mic channels so will see what's what from there before i dig out a DI, got a few passive behringer units in the garage from way back, i shall look for a half decent re-amp box for the front end then
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That looks pretty sweet, Karloff70. never seen it before.
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That looks pretty sweet, Karloff70. never seen it before.
hmmmmm, might have to get one. Parallel pedal fun...yum yum.
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I have had the best luck with distortion/fuzz pedals that are specifically for bass. Even if it’s not a bass line per se, but maybe something with fundamentals in the low-mids, regular distortion/fuzz pedals suck some low end meat, instantly when activated.

Bass pedals are designed to focus in on lower frequencies, typically have a wet/dry, and sometimes filters. Recently got a EHX Big Muff Bass Deluxe and its sounds pretty damn good.

If you gotta have the Rat, then you can always get a blend pedal, or work out some sort of send-return with a mixer. Isn’t there some sort of Rat version for bass? I believe it’s called the Juggernaut.


i had wondered about send and return but seeing as i currently just go straight into the moog i figured that was the easy way to go, not all pedals are equal obviously
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I love the Rat 2! I use it on the sub 37 and a parallel send in Ableton. It's great and the tone is awesome
so you just use it on a send from a mixer/ableton then or is the 37 out straight to the rat in?
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interesting, never noticed anything missing/weird on the moog
The Moog pedals are made with synths/line levels in mind, whereas most guitar pedals tend not to be.
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Just use a mixer channel with a preamp. Those original acid records did not use a re amping set up, lol.

As for the rat imo: get a clone kit with the original chip. They are fairly cheap. It’s a great beginner kit too. Or find someone who will build it for you. The synthrotek kit is excellent. It has a dip switch included for all the subtle differences of the original and other rat pedals as well. Lots of configuration.
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good info cheers fella, my mixer has a +50 gain pre fader on the mic channels so will see what's what from there before i dig out a DI, got a few passive behringer units in the garage from way back, i shall look for a half decent re-amp box for the front end then
Aye, if the mixer pre amp doesn’t sound right one of the Behringers from your garage into a mixer channel will work.
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so you just use it on a send from a mixer/ableton then or is the 37 out straight to the rat in?
I've done both actually! Works well either way, didn't have any problems going direct into the Rat.
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great stuff, thanks all
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