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Roland TR8S - Drum machine with individual outs and sampling.
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My understanding is that it CANNOT be done...I read the manual and checked out a few online resources. Where I most want it it with patterns that have a swing...I want the subdivisions to be swung as well...at least for the roots reggae stuff I am programming.
Can you use a delay effect to get what you want? I don't know if you can apply FX parameter changes per step on the TR8S?
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So you are saying you have just a 1 bar pattern for the verse, one bar for the chorus etc?

That's a very simplistic and limited way of song structure. And you always have to use the patterns in the same order. Basically what the TR-8s has with the A-H knobs is an 8 bar pattern. 8 bars is not a song. It can be but then it is super basic.
Actually you have 16 x 8 variations.

In Pattern Select mode you can press multiple step keys and then these will play in order - you can skip some out if you like.

This is not a song mode but instead a pattern chaining mode, which is still very useful, the only downside is there is no loop x times for each step/pattern - that would pretty much make it a song mode.

Personally I don't really care for song mode - there's plenty of other features I'd like to see first.
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So you are saying you have just a 1 bar pattern for the verse, one bar for the chorus etc?

That's a very simplistic and limited way of song structure. And you always have to use the patterns in the same order. Basically what the TR-8s has with the A-H knobs is an 8 bar pattern. 8 bars is not a song. It can be but then it is super basic.
Pattern 1, verse 1.
Pattern 2, verse 2.
Pattern 3, chorus.
Pattern 4, verse 1.
Pattern 5, bridge.
Pattern 6, verse 2.
Pattern 7, outro.
You can have different variations on every single pattern if you want. Then select them all and let the whole song play through. Not limited at all. Limitless, actually. It can be in any order, different bpms, different swing settings, different kit for each pattern but all the same song. I do it all the time. Im most likely not explaining it correctly but I'm pretty sure it's song mode. I've recorded entire songs with completely different verses and choruses without ever touching a single button other than play (and selecting the first and last pattern in the song, of course).

Last edited by Mort Chud; 3 weeks ago at 10:24 AM.. Reason: Clarification
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Pattern 1, verse 1.
Pattern 2, verse 2.
Pattern 3, chorus.
Pattern 4, verse 1.
Pattern 5, bridge.
Pattern 6, verse.
Pattern 7, outro.
You can have different variations on every single pattern if you want. Then select them all and let the whole song play through. Not limited at all. Limitless, actually. It can be in any order, different bpms, different swing settings, different kit for each pattern but all the same song. I do it all the time. Im most likely not explaining it correctly but I'm pretty sure it's song mode.
ok, that makes sense. I thought you were only using variations, not pattern chaining. I have never used pattern chaining since I always record it directly in a DAW. But I agree it can be useful if you want to step out of 8 bar phrases.
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Actually you have 16 x 8 variations.

In Pattern Select mode you can press multiple step keys and then these will play in order - you can skip some out if you like.

This is not a song mode but instead a pattern chaining mode, which is still very useful, the only downside is there is no loop x times for each step/pattern - that would pretty much make it a song mode.

Personally I don't really care for song mode - there's plenty of other features I'd like to see first.
Just put the same part on two separate pattern slots in a row to loop it. And right on, pattern chaining sounds about right.
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Roland opted to leave out a true Song Mode, but did include the ability to change patterns and/or kits via MIDI program-change messages.

So, if you are using any other MIDI sequencer in your rig, you can just insert program changes and you're good-to-go. This is actually how a lot of people did things "back in the day", as it enabled easier editing of songs. You didn't have to copy/paste the sequenced parts AND then edit the drum-machine as well.

As such, it's a bit of an irritation, but not necessarily a show-stopper. I'd still like a Song Mode, though.
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You'll be very disappointed in the Analog Heat...It is not what it appears to be...nor provides the sounds it implies it does.
Most people absolutely love it. And it’s exactly what it appears to be: a stereo analog distortion and multi-mode stereo analog filter with beat sync-able LFO’s and envelope followers for modulation, plus the ability to run as a plugin from your DAW.

There’s really nothing else like it on the market. Seems like a perfect match for a TR-8S.
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Most people absolutely love it. And it’s exactly what it appears to be: a stereo analog distortion and multi-mode stereo analog filter with beat sync-able LFO’s and envelope followers for modulation, plus the ability to run as a plugin from your DAW.

There’s really nothing else like it on the market. Seems like a perfect match for a TR-8S.
TR-8S pretty much has it built-in already, no need for the Analog Heat:

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going to have to read backwards through this thread but what is the extent of the parameter locks of this unit, compared to the digitakt?
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TR-8S pretty much has it built-in already, no need for the Analog Heat:

Credit where it's due, Roland provided some very effective effects on the TR-8S. Master FX set to distortion yields rather tasty results. Your demo shows that off!
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Most people absolutely love it. And it’s exactly what it appears to be: a stereo analog distortion and multi-mode stereo analog filter with beat sync-able LFO’s and envelope followers for modulation, plus the ability to run as a plugin from your DAW.

There’s really nothing else like it on the market. Seems like a perfect match for a TR-8S.
Hmmmm, nothing else like it...Except the NIIO Analog Track Thickener- which blows the AH out of the cosmos.
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Credit where it's due, Roland provided some very effective effects on the TR-8S. Master FX set to distortion yields rather tasty results. Your demo shows that off!
The effects in the TR-8S are nice to have and useful. But I don't think that the effects are really great sounding. I don't think they can match the sound and quality of other more specialized fx machines. But I am not complaining. I am glad they are in there but there is certainly room for improvement. Especially the reverbs en drives.
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Hmmmm, nothing else like it...Except the NIIO Analog Track Thickener- which blows the AH out of the cosmos.
And where could you buy a new NIIO Analog Track Thickener these days?
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And where could you buy a new NIIO Analog Track Thickener these days?

The lucky market, or you could just get the Iotine Core 4, which completely renders the AH irrelevant.
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going to have to read backwards through this thread but what is the extent of the parameter locks of this unit, compared to the digitakt?
Digitakt goes deeper. On the TR-8S what you can automate is mainly most of the front panel knobs* and a few buttons. You can record real time or hold down steps to draw automation. Overall closer to Korg's motion record than Elektron p-locks.


*For the CTRL knobs this creates a bit of conflict because it's the knob that's automated rather than the parameter it's assigned to. You can't use it to automate various under the hood parameters.
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The lucky market, or you could just get the Iotine Core 4, which completely renders the AH irrelevant.
Looks really cool. It’s about twice the price of the AH with less flexible filters, no MIDI, rack mounted instead of desktop and no Overbridge or equivalent for DAW integration. If anything, bringing this unit up in comparison reinforces that there’s really nothing else like the Analog Heat available on the market.
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I have the trig out mated to my TB 03 trig in, but I've noticed that it skips over the first step occasionally, it's weird. I'll try to replicate it reliably. Could be the cable (trs instead of ts, still have to get a 1/8" ts cable)
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I've noticed that some of the preset kits have blanked out instrument patches. Like, there's a sample assigned and it has effects configured but you can't hear anything playing it live or by seqeuncing. And the light on the sequencer for that instrument is off. Whats going on here? An example is the Hi Tom from Kit 37 (Rap With Me)
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I've noticed that some of the preset kits have blanked out instrument patches. Like, there's a sample assigned and it has effects configured but you can't hear anything playing it live or by seqeuncing. And the light on the sequencer for that instrument is off. Whats going on here? An example is the Hi Tom from Kit 37 (Rap With Me)
I don't have it in front of me so I can't say for sure but it's possible that those instruments have been grouped with other ones in the kit? e.g. HC grouped with SD, so every hit of the snare will also trigger the clap, IIRC this removes the light from the latter instrument (earliest one gets priority) and effectively makes them a single, stacked hit with a shared sequence.
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I don't have it in front of me so I can't say for sure but it's possible that those instruments have been grouped with other ones in the kit? e.g. HC grouped with SD, so every hit of the snare will also trigger the clap, IIRC this removes the light from the latter instrument (earliest one gets priority) and effectively makes them a single, stacked hit with a shared sequence.
Wow thanks! That must be it. I've read the manual but I must have skimmed over this.
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I've noticed that some of the preset kits have blanked out instrument patches. Like, there's a sample assigned and it has effects configured but you can't hear anything playing it live or by seqeuncing. And the light on the sequencer for that instrument is off. Whats going on here? An example is the Hi Tom from Kit 37 (Rap With Me)
Maybe they are routed to an assignable output? So not to the master out.
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anyone know how to picth from computer with control change, i read midi but not so much into, any info for dummies like me?
No,

You need to start from the beginning and LEARN HOW THIS STUFF WORKS.

Another poster already gave you a general outline on how you might go about achieving what you want....and told you to forget it because it will be a massive pain in the a$$..

...But you say "No, I want to do it THIS way, I don't care if it's a pain....can someone do it for me?"

Learn MIDI, learn how to use what you own and don't try and get others to do your work for you.

At the end of the day, YOU will be 100% better off, anyone who does do your work for you isn't doing you a favor.

But what I don't understand is this: You say you've GOT melodies programmed from your TR8s, and don't want to have to go through the hasstle of reprograming them in your DAW...Soooo, why do you need help doing what you've already done?

Just do whatever you did when you programmed those melodies in the first place??
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