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Old 21st February 2018
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Black Corporation - Polyphonic Kobol

Poly Kobol Rack - Slated for Superbooth by Black Corporation.
Will be in kit form too and courtesy of Roman Fillipov (Buchla 208r Easel Clone & Deckard's Dream).
Seems to have slipped under the radar but will be shown at Superbooth in May.
Should be one to make your wallet weep but I digress.



Old 21st February 2018
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I am very much looking forward to this.
Old 21st February 2018
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So amazing. The original is one of my absolute dream synths. Probably will never even see an original in my lifetime
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This is gonna be epic.
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wow!



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In before the Dentists
Old 21st February 2018
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Wonder how many kidneys this will cost?
Old 22nd February 2018
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Kidnap & ransom a few dentists more like.
Old 22nd February 2018
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Daaaaaammmmmn!
Old 22nd February 2018
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looks very Access Virus C-ish
Old 22nd February 2018
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It sure is a looker
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Old 22nd February 2018
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Deleted... no need to be negative
Old 22nd February 2018
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Negative? This has two LFOs, No keyboard to worry if it has aftertouch and HP and LP filers in MS-20 config. Pure Gold!
Old 22nd February 2018
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Negative? This has two LFOs, No keyboard to worry if it has aftertouch and HP and LP filers in MS-20 config. Pure Gold!
agreed it should sound great
Old 22nd February 2018
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I guess vice verca, that’s probably where virus got its look from

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looks very Access Virus C-ish
Old 22nd February 2018
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Negative?
I have a personal issue with Roman. I bought something from him directly a few years back, it came broken, and he took months to respond and pawned off the work to someone else who didn’t even know what was going on. Doesn’t mean this won’t be cool and that’s why I erased my comment.
Old 22nd February 2018
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I have a personal issue with Roman. I bought something from him directly a few years back, it came broken, and he took months to respond and pawned off the work to someone else who didn’t even know what was going on. Doesn’t mean this won’t be cool and that’s why I erased my comment.

I'll probably judge the risk of sending money based on people's Deckard Dream experiences and those seem pretty good.

But I agree, some designers are impossible to deal with personally and need to let others handle business.
Old 22nd February 2018
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Where is he getting the SSMs from?
Old 22nd February 2018
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Good God POLY KOBOL! That is so amazing...

Imagine this in a rack with a Deckard's Dream and a Code 8.
Old 22nd February 2018
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To give a more recent experience than the above: my Deckard's Dream had issues after arrival, it seems it was caused by a static shock. Not sure if this happened here or on the journey, but after I first unpacked it I had to go away for a while so it was sat idle for 10 days or so. Anyhow, when I was finally back and could use it for the first time the manual (PNL) mode worked but the presets had all been wiped to init patches, then the "brain" died the next day.

I had no problems returning this to Black Corp in Japan (it's not just Roman working there), they fixed my unit, identified the problem, added extra grounding and even swapped out all my voice cards for new more power efficient revisions, so the system fan (quite noisy) was no longer needed.
Old 22nd February 2018
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Where is he getting the SSMs from?
I guess only two options: NOS or done discretely?
Old 22nd February 2018
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I guess only two options: NOS or done discretely?
presumably these?
http://soundsemiconductor.com/downlo...4datasheet.pdf
Old 22nd February 2018
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Where is he getting the SSMs from?
I think there was a mix of 2040 and 2044 across the models (and possibly 2050 for envelopes? - memory fades with time)

I promise not to noddy this thread, so this will be the only post about the originals.

I was fortunate enough over time to have owned a Kobol keyboard, Kobol I and II expanders, and a Poly Kobol II.

What I liked across the line: the voltage controlled oscillator waveforms and voltage controlled envelope stages (in the Expander modules) and the beautiful filter.

What I didn't like were the very crowded circuit boards, lack of schematics (incomplete, crappy 4th generation poor copies, or no schematics at all), and the absymal construction of the PolyKobol internals (especially the tin plated Molex style board connectors and upside-down mounted boards).

If The Black Corp can get even 90% of that sound, it'll be a winner.
Old 22nd February 2018
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Where is he getting the SSMs from?
i am guessing the recently reissued SSM2044 by Dave Rossum and Co., under code name SSI2144.

its in the wild, since Doepfer has already started making new modules based on this chip , more precisely the new quad filter. it says SSI on the front panel.


however, its almost certain this will use 3340G as oscillator, just like Deckard Dream, so i am expecting it has zero chance of sounding like the original, which sported monumenthal discrete vcos based on the uA726.

i will save the excitement until i hear it.



on a related note, their DD was a dissapointment to me, any old 3340 synth blows it away. because they used clinical lifeless 2164 clones for cascaded filters and vca, so very dry tone. all it has is arhitecture and front panel from CS80. tho for many, that's more than enough to also "hear" it sound like Yamaha CS80. at least in the beginning it will be so.


with that said, if this thing gets 3340 and SSI2144 set, and possibly a better VCA, it just might sound mega great on its own. or even enter Voyetra8 ballpark as it had the 3340>2044 combo.
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i will save the excitement until i hear it.


with that said, if this thing gets 3340 and SSI2144 set, and possibly a better VCA, it just might sound mega great on its own. or even enter Voyetra8 ballpark as it had the 3340>2044 combo.
Setting aside the front panel similarities, this combo done right is something i would get behind for sure; no matter what it's called.

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At some point the second golden age of analog will be even better than the first.

Once they figure out the polysynth thing...
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At some point the second golden age of analog will be even better than the first.

Once they figure out the polysynth thing...
Yeah exactly, I'm feeling the same. I think some of these boutique companies are really going to get push the industry to higher standards for vintage character being made in modern times. We could see even more interesting polys in the next couple of decades.
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We could see even more interesting polys in the next couple of decades.
Well????? Decades? Not so sure everyone’s gonna be on the synth bandwagon in ten years. Things tend to come and go... and then decades later come again.

Regardless I hope it keeps growing. I’d love to see some synths come that truly wipe out the desire for the vintage sound quality.
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Well????? Decades? Not so sure everyone’s gonna be on the synth bandwagon in ten years. Things tend to come and go... and then decades later come again.

Regardless I hope it keeps growing. I’d love to see some synths come that truly wipe out the desire for the vintage sound quality.
Yeah, tis true. But I could see it going the way of the synth. I think synths are getting more respect these days as a creative instrument that nothing else is going to give you. But I could be living in my own world with that comment. Things can come and go, while other things like drums and guitars stand the test of time. I feel synths are coming into their own and could be that.
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i am guessing the recently reissued SSM2044 by Dave Rossum and Co., under code name SSI2144.

its in the wild, since Doepfer has already started making new modules based on this chip , more precisely the new quad filter. it says SSI on the front panel.


however, its almost certain this will use 3340G as oscillator, just like Deckard Dream, so i am expecting it has zero chance of sounding like the original, which sported monumenthal discrete vcos based on the uA726.

i will save the excitement until i hear it.



on a related note, their DD was a dissapointment to me, any old 3340 synth blows it away. because they used clinical lifeless 2164 clones for cascaded filters and vca, so very dry tone. all it has is arhitecture and front panel from CS80. tho for many, that's more than enough to also "hear" it sound like Yamaha CS80. at least in the beginning it will be so.


with that said, if this thing gets 3340 and SSI2144 set, and possibly a better VCA, it just might sound mega great on its own. or even enter Voyetra8 ballpark as it had the 3340>2044 combo.
Pretty sure I saw / read that the voices are based on the Kobol Expander, not the Poly and they intend to use 2040 based filters, not the 2044s.
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