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Moog Voyager + Behringer model D or Reissue Model D
Old 20th February 2018
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Moog Voyager + Behringer model D or Reissue Model D

Ok fellow slutz here’s my question. I have a voyager but really been itching for a Model D reissue but I can’t afford both. The problem is selling the voyager will still leave me about $1000 plus short to get the Reissue. Then I started thinking I could just keep my voyager and buy the behringer Model D and be a lot less plus have two flavours. What would you do. From many accounts The behringer is really hitting the Model D sound. Could anyone with real Moog experience weigh in...
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Old 20th February 2018
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Keeping the Voyager seems the no-brainer to me, but really it's personal choice.
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Old 20th February 2018
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I have a voyager and just got a Boog D... that's 2 synths. What you're talking doing about leaves you with one synth and spending $1000 extra. Seems like an easy choice to me.

When I first powered up the Boog and played a sound, my heart and ears melted in that gooey sound. Love having both for diff. flavors/features.
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Old 20th February 2018
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Have you bonded with the Voyager? Is it not inspiring you? If no then sell it and get the Moog Model D re-issue. No brainer. If yes then keep the Voyager and forget about it for now.
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Old 20th February 2018
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Selling the Voyager and still needing to pay another $1000 for a Model D seems like a bad deal to me. Just get the Behringer. You can then get some idea of what you are not missing out on by passing on the Model D and keeping the Voyager + Behringer D + $700.
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Old 20th February 2018
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The Voyager offers a LOT more than the Moog Model D feature wise, and if you slew rate mod it (as I have) it takes on a new lease of life. I still want a Behringer Model D for that classic D sound (which it has as Ive played one extensively). My vote goes to the Voyager plus Behringer D. A huge amount of power between those two. Replacing the Voyager with the Moog Model D is not the one imho. Though I would still love a Moog Model D reissue too, who wouldnt!
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Old 20th February 2018
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Just get 2 Boogs and keep the Voyager.

You’ll make huge layered patches the Reissue can’t touch.
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Old 21st February 2018 | Show parent
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Have you bonded with the Voyager? Is it not inspiring you? If no then sell it and get the Moog Model D re-issue. No brainer.
That is exactly what I did after more than a decade of trying to like the Voyager. Got the Reissue when it first came out, and have been ecstatic from day one ever since. I hope the Behringer D completely nails the original Moog tone, doesn't matter to me.
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Old 21st February 2018
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I got the Moog Model D reissue right when it came out too. It has the magic. The Voyager always felt like it was lacking something. Plenty of people love it though.
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I got the Moog Model D reissue right when it came out too. It has the magic. The Voyager always felt like it was lacking something. Plenty of people love it though.
Interesting it seems like a lot of people do love the voyager but there are a few as you where once they sold it never looked back. If the behringer stacks up as good as a model d then it might make sense to keep the voyager.
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Old 21st February 2018
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If you could put the (reissue) Moog Model D guts in the chassis of a Voyager (Old School), that'd be the killer combo for me. I don't care about the variable waveshapes at all. Just allowing PWM and sync would be enough. (I had the Voy OS and the original Mini, and the Mini is still here).

Right now for you the easiest option by far is to get the Boog. Chances are you'll quickly notice that having the keyboard and controls in one place is important - it's what makes it an instrument as opposed to a remote and a controlled device.

If you don't care enough about that difference, you're good, and your search is over. If you do, then get prepared to make a difficult choice.
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If you could put the (reissue) Moog Model D guts in the chassis of a Voyager (Old School), that'd be the killer combo for me. I don't care about the variable waveshapes at all. Just allowing PWM and sync would be enough. (I had the Voy OS and the original Mini, and the Mini is still here).

Right now for you the easiest option by far is to get the Boog. Chances are you'll quickly notice that having the keyboard and controls in one place is important - it's what makes it an instrument as opposed to a remote and a controlled device.

If you don't care enough about that difference, you're good, and your search is over. If you do, then get prepared to make a difficult choice.
I hear you loud and clear that’s part of my dilemma - the intimacy of an instrument is important not sure how I will feel having the behringer being triggered by another keyboard. Plus the form factor with the big knobs of the voyager and model d in my mind is a big part of the inspiration of playing and creating on an instrument. I know the behringer sounds great but nowhere for me to try how it feels - anyone disappointed on the feel of the behringer
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Old 21st February 2018
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Much as Im a “behri fanboy” id get the reissue model D if you can afford it...sometimes its more than just the sound..if thats the itch only the Moog would scratch it. I always go for quantity over quality...spent (and sold) enough for two quality synths this past year but bought 4 or 5 lesser quality, but good, synths. Kinda wish Id bought the two quality synths sometimes though.
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Old 21st February 2018
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Speaking of the sound...

I’m always hearing a strong white noise element in the upper end on the Boog. It’s possible people are mixing in the noice osc in every demo. But it really stands out to me.

Anyone hearing this on their own unit?
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Old 21st February 2018
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I try not to put a price on music, if I want something and I could afford it I usually make it happen. As mentioned "The intimacy of an instrument". IMO, chances are, if you are not inspired by an instrument, it's probably not going to inspire you to create music.

I often get yelled at by my music buddies for buying gear I don't need, the latest being about a guitar effects processor I bought when I already have a Guitar Rig in Pro Tools and Ableton. Still, IMO, inspiration speaks volumes, especially with hardware and real knobs sometimes. In the same respects, having a keyboard attached to a synth can make a huge difference. I chose the DeepMind12 keyboard edition as opposed to the rack recently. It's just way cooler, feels right, I just can't explain it. Every time I play it, going thru the presets, I find a sound I like and immediately start working up a new tune.

I own a Voyager RME and have a Behrimoog on the way which I am totally excited about. I thought about the same thing, selling the Voyager and buying a Moogmusic's reissue. I'm going to see how the Behrimoog fairs up. Things are looking good on it so far and the price is too good to pass up for this iconic analog synth re-issue.
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Old 21st February 2018
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For those of you that want to make the Voyager a little more gnarly, I cannot recommend the Elektron Analog Drive pedal enough. It’s the only high powered distortion pedal that doesn’t suck the life out of the Voyager when stuck in the insert jack (between the filter and amp). You can push the Elektron pedal hard, and drive the Voyager into much more aggressive territory.
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Old 21st February 2018
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if you want more overtones on the voyager you want fatter sound so remove the passive 6db filter after the osc, s
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if you want more overtones on the voyager you want fatter sound so remove the passive 6db filter after the osc, s
Because the Voyager isn’t fat sounding enough already.
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Because the Voyager isn’t fat sounding enough already.
no he is not, but please listen to yourself

Moog Voyager slew rate modification – Vergleich › Peter M Mahr

the whole thing is very well visualized here




by the way against my custom ms404 he looks quite old, the bass disappears at closing cuttof about half an octave earlier .. still funny ..
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Right now for you the easiest option by far is to get the Boog. Chances are you'll quickly notice that having the keyboard and controls in one place is important - it's what makes it an instrument as opposed to a remote and a controlled device.
To be honest, I really don't agree with you here, sorry.
I think it's more down to your workflow, how organised your equipment is, and what you are use to.
I have my Sub37 as my keyboard for my mono's, though can play all my keyboards and desktops from every keyboard I have using a midi patchbay.
As long as the modules are organised so you can easily access them from in front of your keyboard, it really doesn't feel disconnected, for me anyway.

I didn't feel the same when I use to have a bunch or rack systems, but looking back on that now, I believe that was my own fault as they were located in a rack that was on the floor. If I had a rack that was on my desk near the keyboard it probably wouldn't have been an issue.

Again, not everyone will have the same experience, but as long as you are organised, and I know that can be easier said then done, any disconnection can really be limited, just my thoughts.
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Old 22nd February 2018
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mark my word, some day people will be talking about that "Voyager" sound and prices will skyrocket.
I'm keeping mine because I love it's sound and features like the touchscreen.

Go ahead and pick up the Behringer Model D, what's to lose?
If it doesn't work for you than go back to Plan A, B or the other one.

Boog, eh? that's cute!
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Old 22nd February 2018
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I’m setting up my RME on a table rack riser positioned just above my Voyager Select’s panel. I’ll turn the room lights down, bring up some ambient colored lights, turn up the blue panel lights on the Select and RME and get seriously lost (and found) in sonic sweetness. This pairing is amazing.

I’ve actually been considering the slew rate mod for the RME for some time (just to have some sonic variation from the Select), but, idk, so far I’m totally digging both exactly as is. With the Mini D, Slim, 37 & Mini Taurus, im getting a lot of Moog flavas. But, this is also why a different Voyager flava could be cool. We shall see.

And, please, if this mono was any fatter it’s knobs would be popping off the panel like the shirt buttons of a fat man after a big meal (like that Montey Python Meaning Of Life guy, lol). Fat, Phatt, and Phfatter... Voyagers bring the beef.

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if you want more overtones on the voyager you want fatter sound so remove the passive 6db filter after the osc, s
Forgive my ignorance how is this done exactly could I explain. Thx
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Forgive my ignorance how is this done exactly could I explain. Thx
it is not possible because no schematics are available, you have to send the synth to rudi linhard, cost about 150 euros.
ie. how do you want to explain it exactly?

from ...Minimoog Voyager Vorbote einer Renaissance - Interview › Peter M Mahr

Rudi: With additional capacitors that act like a 6dB filter. If you remove these, you get a more overtone-rich "brighter" signal, as you can also hear from your sound samples. Of course, just removing the capacitors is not enough. You have to build in the waveform generation better components so that the spike does not even arise.

means it was saved in the wrong place as so often in the scene

rudi is already old and has no time at all, it could take longer waiting for emerge, maybe someone can do with the mod pictures from the inside for the purpose of diy

@ string6theory do you hear the difference at all, did you take your time, rudi linhard is one of the developers of the voyager, who will probably know a little bit more than you.
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@ string6theory do you hear the difference at all, did you take your time, rudi linhard is one of the developers of the voyager, who will probably know a little bit more than you.
Wtf r u babbling on about me hearing some difference from what, and then comparing my knowledge of what, “phfattness” to this person?

<moderator edit - please keep this civil? you can call out another poster's opinion, but let's keep this about the synths? thank you>

But, please, don’t let me dissuade you. Do tell more about that amazing upgrade for Voyager phfattness you were just recommending. What’s that... send it to a retired person who has no interest in doing it... without any reference schematics so it’s not actually possible you say... but that’s not all, no... you need to rebuild the waveform generator, and even more no? All in your recommended quest for the “missing” Voyager fatness.
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Wtf r u babbling on about me hearing some difference from what, and then comparing my knowledge of what, “phfattness” to this person?

<moderator edit - please keep this civil? you can call out another poster's opinion, but let's keep this about the synths? thank you>

But, please, don’t let me dissuade you. Do tell more about that amazing upgrade for Voyager phfattness you were just recommending. What’s that... send it to a retired person who has no interest in doing it... without any reference schematics so it’s not actually possible you say... but that’s not all, no... you need to rebuild the waveform generator, and even more no? All in your recommended quest for the “missing” Voyager fatness.
Lol.. why so rude without any facts..
Do not you know who rudi linhard ? Lintronics Homepage for Memorymoog and Minimoog users!
rudi who was the developer of all the software from voyager, who says he retired, how do you get to this diletant statement,
no, he's just the specialist for the lamm-memorymoog and has enough to do with these, wait 1 year.
so that it is very clear without him no voyager, the prototype is still at his home, just because of no references.
if one knows, then he knows!

Picture of Rudy ( right) with Dave Smith..


Here with the new Casio


and no references.. Interview: Rudi Linhard - The Moog Maker - AMAZONA.de
insults without end but no idea of the matter, great
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mark my word, some day people will be talking about that "Voyager" sound and prices will skyrocket.
I'm keeping mine because I love it's sound and features like the touchscreen.

Go ahead and pick up the Behringer Model D, what's to lose?
If it doesn't work for you than go back to Plan A, B or the other one.

Boog, eh? that's cute!
I agree....I think the Voyager is going to go down as a classic and be sought after for many years to come. When you stop comparing it to a Model D, and just look at what it can do above and beyond the Model D, it is an excellent synthesizer. I’ve noticed prices have already jumped up a good bit. I should have bought one back when they annnounced the production run was over. I’ve seen RME selling for well over $2000, and 2nd hand keyboards selling for what they cost new.

If the OP wants a D, then get a D. Definitely does that whole high frequency bright, yet smooth VCO sound. The Boog sounds great too. Pretty damn convincing. TBH I’m not a Moog kind of a guy, its just not my thing, but the Voy and Model D....when you touch them, they literally FEEL expensive, like a luxury car. The Boog would suit me fine, but for Moog people, I get the allure, and also get wanting a complete instrument with keys and all.
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Old 22nd February 2018
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The Voyager is the synth with more possibilities, it can do so much more. And it is beautiful too.
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Old 22nd February 2018
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From what I understood, the purpose of the Voyager slew rate mod is not to make it sound fatter. I thought it was to bring out the high sizzle that the Voyager lacks in comparison to the Model D. That is the only reason I considered having it done. Even with the filter completely open, including Env Mod, Voyager doesn't have that extra bit of sizzle that is part of the Minomoog's singature sound. I get it from my Micromac, so it doesn't really matter much to me. I'd probably still get the slew rate mod done if it could be convenient.
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Old 22nd February 2018
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For me it would be the Voyager and the Behringer That way you have the best of both worlds however close to each other they might be for some people.
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