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Synth Distortion Problem
Old 5th February 2007
  #1
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Synth Distortion Problem

I've got a Oxygen 8 V2 MIDI controllor and i'm using Reason 3.0

I've set up the keyboard correctly (or think i have lol) and configured it with Enigma so all the knobs work, etc

Just messing about to see what i could do i created a simple drum beat with ReDrum and created a nice bassline sound with the SubTractor Synth. At this point i was just playin with the keyboard to find a nice bassline and had'nt recorded it yet but i did notice that when i pressed 2 keys together i got a sort of 'wop' sound rather than it being a continus sound, anyone know how to change it so i dont get this 'wop' sound?

Then i tried recording it and i found out that ReDrum was sort of laggin when i was pressing the keys on the keyboard, very anoying when your trying to time it right, not sure if its a setting i've missed again or anything, anyone know?

Now after a struggle i recorded this simple drum beat and a very simple bassline. Playing it back i notice that the drum beat sounds very distorted, if i mute the synth the drums sound crips again but as soon as i unmute it they sound distorted and **** :/

I dont understand why it does this...any ideas?

Any help is apprictiated,
Skillz
Old 6th February 2007
  #2
you hit the wall everyone that begins using software has hit.
you get results that do not match with your expectations
basically, from your post you have to overcome this:
the software synth you use (in reason) and/or the controller and/or the built in interface is not capable of handling polyphonic note info - there have been some posts of ppl. dissatisfied with the performance of this controller, if I remember well. - Or you have to read up on synthesis theory.
the software synth you use has, because of latency in your system a lag when playing the controller keyboard
mixing audio requires more than just playing everything at the same time - probably you know this, but the description of the process that causes distortion sounds like you're clipping, because of layering.

Reason is an inexpensive emulation of synthesizers and mixers. while software (including Reason) can yield some results, also professionally usable, it requires a couple of workarounds. mixing requires practice and skills you cannot IMHO expect it to be great first time around.
tweak your system to get the lowest latency (adjust latency on your controller), and look also at other things like a sequencer/daw software if the mixing capabillities of Reason leave something to be desired, or use a small outboard mixer, and look at outboard synthesizers.
then, also use the "search" function.
you have to do a bit of research yourself.
other forum more specialised in software: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/
Old 6th February 2007
  #3
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Hey,

Yeah your right, i did expect it to react just like a real synth/keyboard (non-emulated), like you say i have to over come this and i'll have a read up and see what i can find that might help me along

I think the latency could be caused from it being a USB MIDI Keyboard. Even though USB is a fast way of transfering data it can be slow hence the latency.

I'll have a read up about a MIDI port for my laptop and see if it will kill the latency issue, its just a hunch but i think it might do the trick

This is what i don't get about the distortion. Why does it happen?

I've been a DJ for about a year now and when your mixing 2 track together (correct me if i'm wrong) isnt this just layering 2 "audio" samples together? This is the same as the drum beat and the bassline, they are both just "audio" samples playing one on top of the other. The only thing i can think is that they arent compiled into the actual song yet and the sounds arent being emulated in real time by Reason so its clashing some how. I'll have to have another search about and see what i can dig up

I'm not expecting to clock production in the first week i know its goin to take me a while thats why i was just messing around and i happened to bump into these problems

I'll have a look into other DAWs & Sequencers. The reason i bought a MIDI Controllor was becuase of the inexpensiveness of someone who has never created music before. The reason i didn't buy and outboard Synth is because it can be a very large investment for someone who has absolutly no experience but i'll be keeping it in mind...

Also i'd like to be honest and say that i didnt actualy search this forum, sorry for that, but i have been searching on google and other forums for the past week trying to find people with the same problems as mine and see if they had found ways around them but i turned up very little that was much help to me, not to mention i wasnt really sure what i was looking for lol

Anyway thanks for the help and i'll have a look at that forum that you posted, thank!
Skillz
Old 7th February 2007
  #4
well, glad that I could be of some help.
the distortion can come from clipping, as said.
you go over 0 db which inside a computer is deadly.
very differen behaviour from any analogue (DJ) mixer.
you might spend a little time here and on KVR, but I think it'll be worth it
there's a ton of info available.
thumbsup
Old 7th February 2007
  #5
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kvr is likely a better bet than here. the distortion you described could be a number of things other than clipping, which can happen in a synth, even just from layering sinewaves together in imperfect intervals, and sound like distortion. You didn't mention what kind of system you were using, but, from the amount of latency you describe, I assume it is windows. If this is the case, you probably need t get your ASIO drivers set up right, which is a royal pain in the ass. KVR would be the place to search for that kind of info. I don't know much about asio cause I use a mac, but I remember being very frustrated on the few occasions I have tried to set it up. I highly doubt that some other midi interface will be faster than a usb midi controller. usb is plenty fast to send more midi than you will ever conceivably use without appreciable latency. The latency is not in the hardware, but in the software (presumably windows, in this case). You don't need a separate midi box, you just need to get assy-o set up right. I wich I could help you with that, but I can't.
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