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Old 26th February 2020
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A bit dated, but representative of what's going on. Room in a room construction - JLSayers style design.
Ooh! Slutty design. Me likey!
Old 26th February 2020
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That’s pretty! The wall of mooger foogers is out of control!
Old 26th February 2020
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A bit dated, but representative of what's going on. Room in a room construction - JLSayers style design.


https://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...1&d=1582726374
Sweet
Old 26th February 2020
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A bit dated, but representative of what's going on. Room in a room construction - JLSayers style design.


https://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...1&d=1582726374
looks fantastic, and very ergonomic design. love the waldorfs sitting vertical. and always love wood and those pastel colours, that just makes everything look warmer and cozy. patchbay is a must on such humongous rack, tho perhaps little low (for my back).


its an interesting design. i wonder if it allows for windows, or that complicates the whole concept of room within a room? i presume one would need double window then..

and another question: what is the inner room standing on, i.e. what did you use to acoustically de-couple vibrations from the real floor underneath?


thanks
Old 26th February 2020
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Thank for the good thoughts folks.

@ clusterchord , good questions. The studio is built in a 7 foot high basement, so the floor is the cement foundation. I put an engineered wood floor down for comfort and looks. The ceiling was the hard part, and the most important for isolation from the rest of the house. I had to rebuild the joist blocking to fit the insulation in. Not to mention the gallons of goop to fill in all the cracks to make it airtight. The room within a room design is tough on windows - I don't have a live room built so no need for a window - typically it would be built from two non-parallel panes of glass. One mounted on the inner wall, the other mounted on the outer wall. The panes are kept at an angle to reduce resonances between the panes inside the window from building up. Camera's are becoming more prevalent, but the latency in the video is a problem. Building it was a fun project!

FWIW, I lurked the John L Sayers studio build site for a year before I finished my design. I don't think I ever posted there though.
Old 26th February 2020
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Can you comment about how you mounted monitors? Flush mounted? I know JS uses this technique.
Have you measured your room (using REW)? Always curious to see them
Old 26th February 2020
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Hey @ JayPee , the monitor (Focal) design (hmm.. I meant the soffit design, not the Focal design :-)) is a bit odd. It's mostly base trapping techniques, because the room is so small there wasn't room for large bass traps. Also, monitor and listening positions within the geometry of the room are always positioned to reduce low frequency resonances in the first place, so there's that.

The monitors are mounted on steel stands sitting directly on concrete, sitting on top an "acoustic mat" sitting within a cutout in the soffit wall - the speakers are freestanding. They don't touch anything but the stand, and the cables, and the fiberglass packed inside the wall. The back of the soffit is actually the inner wall of the room inside a room - otherwise your monitors would be inside the walls.The soffit controls mid-range edge diffraction around the corner of the monitor. Usually this is an allowable place for flat surfaces inside the forward RFZ mixing position. However, I choose to treat it as non-reflective due to a fairly lively rest of the room I didn't want to find an easy way to my ears. :-) all the equipment behind me.

In the end, in the listening position, the room is flat within 2 db down to around 80hz, then it starts to bounce up to 6 db. I use a little EQ to soften the excursions, but the rest of the room still sounds good. It's just a few places that need treatment, like G2. wow. I've added equipment since then and it's drifted out of spec in places, but still sounds very good with the Focal's, and a set of Auratone's.

I do most of my composition in the bedroom though (hmm, I like how that came out). I have to have a respectable look there, or the wife will complain. :-) this is where all black equipment is a plus.

OK, well that went on longer than necessary. Hope you get something out of it.

Oh, both walls of the rooms are two layers of 3/8" wallboard with green glue between them to control low frequency transmission. And there's a less extreme build serving as both a airlock, vocal booth, and mic closet on the way into the studio. I didn't have a ton of space to work with, so it was a bit of tetris-ing in of some stuff like the air handling is alll folded up underneath the stairs see picture. There's the gazinto-and-gozoutof A/C manifolds. The gazinto has the blower inline with it Plus an additional sound muffler to keep the sound out of the connecting outer room. So I added another airchannel above the blower to fit the remaining space. It's wrapped in 3D, like a SOMA cube.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...1&d=1582742407

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Can you comment about how you mounted monitors? Flush mounted? I know JS uses this technique.
Have you measured your room (using REW)? Always curious to see them
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Old 26th February 2020
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I love the design. And I just noticed the dedicated AC unit, so that's heaven to me right there.
Old 26th February 2020
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A bit dated, but representative of what's going on. Room in a room construction - JLSayers style design.


https://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...s-img_1161.jpg
I'm into my acoustics, probably far more than synths if I'm honest!

What formula did you use for the wooden slats on the walls. I used Bogey's (from the Acoustics sub forum on here) sequence in the dead room I built 3 years ago and that worked well, it sounds pretty even in there.

I've toyed with the idea of putting some slats in my home studio as it is extremely dead in there, I had to fill roughly 35% of the room with Rockwool to get a flat'ish frequency response, +/- 7dB down to 38 Hz
Old 27th February 2020
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I personally really like the acoustic treatment on the chair.
Old 27th February 2020
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Hey @ TornadoTed ! Great question! As you know, so much depends on available space. I didn't have the wall depth space for full spec Helmholtz or broadband resonators, rather these slats are meant evenly to liven up the back of the room. It works fairly well for that.

It was pretty agonizing getting a good result in that small a space.

You might like this: In the early 80's I worked at Digital Equipment Corp at their Anechoic chamber facility. It was used for both acoustic, and EMI certification. We had Bruel and Kjaer measurement equipment for acoustics. I wrote the automation software for the lab to do all the scanning and measuring. It was an awesome job at the time :-)

Say, got a look at your website. That live room with the leslie, are those helmhotlz resonators on the wall there? It's kind of fuzzy picture. Also, I must know what "Giant Wafer" refers to! Silicon wafers always comes to mind - history...

Last edited by SkyWriter; 27th February 2020 at 01:29 AM.. Reason: Excess babble dump
Old 27th February 2020
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I personally really like the acoustic treatment on the chair.
LOL! A gift from an Aunt. Good eye :-)
Old 27th February 2020
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A bit dated, but representative of what's going on. Room in a room construction - JLSayers style design.


https://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...s-img_1161.jpg
your effects rack deserves a better picture..
Old 27th February 2020
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Those look like the little ballbearing maze toys.

Old 27th February 2020
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Those look like the little ballbearing maze toys.

Lol! They were a lot of fun to build :-) learned a lot on the project.
Old 27th February 2020
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Hey @ TornadoTed ! Great question! As you know, so much depends on available space. I didn't have the wall depth space for full spec Helmholtz or broadband resonators, rather these slats are meant evenly to liven up the back of the room. It works fairly well for that.

It was pretty agonizing getting a good result in that small a space.

You might like this: In the early 80's I worked at Digital Equipment Corp at their Anechoic chamber facility. It was used for both acoustic, and EMI certification. We had Bruel and Kjaer measurement equipment for acoustics. I wrote the automation software for the lab to do all the scanning and measuring. It was an awesome job at the time :-)

Say, got a look at your website. That live room with the leslie, are those helmhotlz resonators on the wall there? It's kind of fuzzy picture. Also, I must know what "Giant Wafer" refers to! Silicon wafers always comes to mind - history...
It is hard work trying to get a good result in a small space, my room is 11' square with 2' thick stone walls so as about as bad as it gets. I took around 150 measurements with REW to get to where I ended up. My aim was under +/- 10 dB when I started, I tried everything and couldn't get under +/- 13 dB until I realised I hadn't tried speaker height, I raised the speakers an inch and suddenly I went down to +/- 7 dB. I then tried about 25 different heights in 1/4" increments and 1" gave the best result!

That sounds like a really cool job to have had, I'd love to go in an anechoic chamber.

The traps on the walls in the live room are nothing fancy, just 6" rockwool with 2" air gap and then I used Bogey's random slat sequence to add in a bit more life back into the room.

I have attached the frequency response and waterfall from my hobby studio control room if you are interested! I have never got around to doing measurements in my commercial studio, I left it to the designer at the time as my knowledge was very limited back then.
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Old 27th February 2020
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11 ft SQUARE? OUCH! I found a good orientation for the control room in the basement that gave me the least painful dimensions (can't remember off hand what they are now, somewhere around 15x7x9ft? - actually 13'6"ft x 10'x 7'4" are the final dimensions of the studio space. Then there's about 6" of wall treatment, 2x3/8" wallboard, 1 1/2' of fiberglass filled space, then either foundation wall or another set of 2x3/8" wallboard for the outer room wall. Co-incidentally the outer studio walls are the wall of other rooms. Otherwise, you'd run foul of three wall problem. Pretty good starting point).

This is some of what I learned about measuring and placement - sorry if it's a bit vague. The build is 5 years old - I don't remember the details without my notes.

Speaker height - especially the woofer - is important to keep the ceiling and floor low frequency resonances at a minimum. Good catch on your own! The other is listening position (or mix if you prefer, I use the old acoustic engineering nomenclature). There's a optimum distance between the front wall, back wall, and speakers to hit that also greatly effects measured response. The closer you go to the middle, or walls the worse resonances are going to be. This is a place where prime numbers really come in handy :=)

Ah, so your treatment is similar to mine. I felt like I had to get to an anechoic place then dial it back with treatment to liven it up again.

Were the plots at the mix position? That's the most important to get right. The rest... is just more money really. Honestly, that's not bad for a square room. Especially with a low ceiling.

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Old 28th February 2020
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I guess I would sort of sum it up, with my experience at a few facilities over the years, and my own actives in the art, like this:

Start with the best solution for the building budget you can afford. Tune the room with a minimum of equipment; including board, recording rig, and essential outboards in cabinets. Tune for the mixing position. Don't be afraid to shoot for mastering (as a fall back LOL!). The best starting point will always land you in the best spot years down the road when you can't change it much. If you are serious at your work, The rate at which your ears will adjust to any idiosyncrasies at a rate equal the rate at which you add equipment or modify the basic parameters of the room. And if they can't you're going to know it as soon as it happens.

And if you're not, then it doesn't really matter anyway! :-) Got to keep my sanity.

Oh, and the other thing, always another thing, don't be afraid to study it all up front. I spent a year at the planning a design stage. Once you get going, stopping and thinking things through is exhausting - I still did quite a bit of that. The roughing in stages are the hardest to get right. And the finishing parts are the most labor and expensive components. Scrimp at each stage at your risk accordingly! For most engineers it's almost as much fun as the music that comes after. Then there's Ted and I, we got it backwards! It's alll good.
Old 28th February 2020
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Cool studio. Can I ask what is that psychedelic looking wolf/dog art on the left side? Did you made it? It's beautiful.
Purchased from --> www.threyda.com/

They have cool limited runs of different art designs.
Old 28th February 2020
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Currently playing keys on "Dancing With the Stars" live on Australian TV.

Here's some slutty setup pics:







Old 28th February 2020
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Currently playing keys on "Dancing With the Stars" live on Australian TV.

Here's some slutty setup pics:







Right on. It's cool that they use live music.
Old 28th February 2020
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There are stars in Australia? Wow, every day’s a school day.
Old 28th February 2020
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I didn't know the music was live on those shows. Very freakin' awesome!
Old 28th February 2020
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There are stars in Australia? Wow, every day’s a school day.
yeah but they're all upside down..
Old 28th February 2020
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Currently playing keys on "Dancing With the Stars" live on Australian TV.
NICE! Awesome gig!
Old 28th February 2020
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You are basically giving away your location to thieves



THEY'RE STEALING THE GEAR, GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!


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THEY'RE STEALING THE GEAR, GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!


Yep. :D
Old 2nd March 2020
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Took a while to find a decent one that was in focus. Oddly, it’s hard to take a good picture for some reason. There are a few things in there just filling spaces. So don’t judge some things too harshly, I might have agree with you :-)
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your effects rack deserves a better picture..
It’s nutty! I would love to have eurorack face plates to convert the moogerfoogers to eurorack. I Hope to have a Boog Euro-modular in the works it would love to sit next to :-)

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That’s pretty! The wall of mooger foogers is out of control!
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Old 2nd March 2020
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Took a while to find a decent one that was in focus. Oddly, it’s hard to take a good picture for some reason. There are a few things in there just filling spaces. So don’t judge some things too harshly, I might have agree with you :-)


It’s nutty! I would love to have eurorack face plates to convert the moogerfoogers to eurorack. I Hope to have a Boog Euro-modular in the works it would love to sit next to :-)
Badass!!
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Badass!!
LOL! And here I am, worried about lusting after a couple of square feet of eurorack... then I look at THAT thing! Omg.
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