Cubase more focussed on PC than ever before?
Old 4th December 2012
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Cubase more focussed on PC than ever before?

Is this starting to become obvious? A start of the end for Macs in high end production? Is that even possible? Could Mac take Samsung on one side, Google on the Other and HP on a processor level and so on?
Old 4th December 2012
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They aren't focused on just any PC... They are focused on PC Workstations, which are just as expensive as MacPros and are actually fairly common in studios even though you don't really hear about them much...
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Old 4th December 2012
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They aren't focused on just any PC... They are focused on PC Workstations, which are just as expensive as MacPros and are actually fairly common in studios even though you don't really hear about them much...
Could you please elaborate on this?
Old 5th December 2012
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I'm not a Mac user but I thought the introduction of ASIO Guard was a good thing for those Mac users. That aside, Cubase seems to always have been more oriented towards PC users with the development of VST and ASIO. I don't think this was done purposefully, but it seems as if Apple is "less supportive" of Cubase than Logic, and for good reason.

As a result, I have heard complaints of running Cubase on a Mac (and that's not to say one is better than the other!)
Old 5th December 2012
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I don't know if the ASIO guard will have any effect on a MAC because MACs use Core-Audio drivers instead of ASIO drivers... Unless it also implements protection for Core-Audio as well.

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The computers that they specifically talked about are HP's work station computers. Work station computers are high efficiency computers that can run fast and smooth for hours on end.

Here are some of the series Steinberg mentioned that are comparable to Apple's Mac Pros: HP Z620 Workstations
Old 5th December 2012
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I'm not a Mac user but I thought the introduction of ASIO Guard was a good thing for those Mac users. That aside, Cubase seems to always have been more oriented towards PC users with the development of VST and ASIO. I don't think this was done purposefully, but it seems as if Apple is "less supportive" of Cubase than Logic, and for good reason.

As a result, I have heard complaints of running Cubase on a Mac (and that's not to say one is better than the other!)
ASIO worked fine on Mac OS 8 and 9. Then Apple decided to replace the ASIO spec with Core Audio on OS X.
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I don't know if the ASIO guard will have any effect on a MAC because MACs use Core-Audio drivers instead of ASIO drivers... Unless it also implements protection for Core-Audio as well.
Actually Steinberg mention that especially Macs will benefit from ASIO Guard due to how underperformant OSX is for (near) realtime operations like audio. (This isn't a Cubase issue, all cross platform DAWs perform significantly worse under OSX at lower latencies. It just isn't a very good OS for audio). If anything, it seems that this whole feature was born from the fact that Steinberg don't want to abandon Macs.

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Especially on the MAC side you will see an increase of performance.
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It is because OS X is lacking in terms of realtime audio performance due to a lets say different threading model. That's the reason why PCs are performing much better with lower latencies. However, the result is that ASIO Guard improves the performance under OS X heavily.
These quotes come from this thread: https://www.steinberg.net/forum/view...?f=175&t=28267

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Old 5th December 2012
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Personal experience recording on several PCs and MACs tell me the exact opposite of what you're saying.
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Old 5th December 2012
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I haven't noticed any performance differences on similarly specced computers.

But Pro Tools performs worse than say, Nuendo; when it comes to track counts, available cpu power for VSTi/VI and plug-in processing - doesn't matter which OS one uses.

And guys, that thing is "Mac"... not "MAC".
Old 5th December 2012
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Unless we're talking about Pro Tools HD... Which will outrun anything, and also force you to sell your car, house, body, etc... Haha
Old 5th December 2012
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Re: Bulletproof ASIO-Guard - Is this what I've been waiting for?

by Helge Vogt ยป 05 Dec 2012 19:49



stealth wrote:LOL I think you could actually make a better argument that Steinberg doesn't like PCs! They pretty much exclusively use Macs for the C7 demo videos, and presentations at shows like NAMM, etc... its pretty rare you see anything official from Steinberg on a PC.


That's true, since about 4 years we use Macs for everything official to actively demonstrate that we care for the platform.
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Unless we're talking about Pro Tools HD... Which will outrun anything, and also force you to sell your car, house, body, etc... Haha
Including PT HD. I have an Accel 2 x HD with PT10, and any current DAW beats it just with the host/native processing.
They say PT11 will resolve the issue.
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I think they should actually drop Mac support to focus even more on windows.
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Old 17th April 2013
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I think they should actually drop Mac support to focus even more on windows.
They should drop ASIO and make a new audio engine.
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They should drop ASIO and make a new audio engine.
What is wrong with ASIO?
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What is wrong with ASIO?
Absolutely nothing.


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Absolutely nothing.


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Well they could design it better to work across cpu cores more evenly. There's nothing more frustrating than to be at 70 to 80 percent in the asio cpu meter and to only be reading 20 percent in Task Manager.
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