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Old 17th April 2019
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Want to try Reaper... But SOLVED!!!

[/B]Greetings all

I'm a long time Sonar/Cakewalk CbB user. However, I've been reading and watching people raving about Reaper and thought I'd give it a try.

And so I have it downloaded and installed. The problem is, I can't get any sound while recording or listening to playback of MIDI. The MIDI tracks are being entered... I can see them in the piano roll. There's just no sound. I know that it is an "in/out" setting but I've spent the better part of two hours trying to get them set properly. I've tried clicking on different settings so often that I don't remember what settings I've tried.

I have recently switched over to using just soft synths exclusively - SampleTank 3 and 4, and Addictive Drums 2.

My interface is a Focusrite Scarlett second generation.

Keep in mind that everything is working fine in Cakewalk by Soundlab.

I'm hoping that someone can take this old coot by the hand and lay out the settings I need to make in order to get Reaper's sound up and running.

Thanks so much in advance!!!

/OM
Old 17th April 2019
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Originally Posted by Oscar Myer View Post
Greetings all

I'm a long time Sonar/Cakewalk CbB user. However, I've been reading and watching people raving about Reaper and thought I'd give it a try.

And so I have it downloaded and installed. The problem is, I can't get any sound while recording or listening to playback of MIDI. The MIDI tracks are being entered... I can see them in the piano roll. There's just no sound. I know that it is an "in/out" setting but I've spent the better part of two hours trying to get them set properly. I've tried clicking on different settings so often that I don't remember what settings I've tried.

I have recently switched over to using just soft synths exclusively - SampleTank 3 and 4, and Addictive Drums 2.

My interface is a Focusrite Scarlett second generation.

Keep in mind that everything is working fine in Cakewalk by Soundlab.

I'm hoping that someone can take this old coot by the hand and lay out the settings I need to make in order to get Reaper's sound up and running.

Thanks so much in advance!!!

Bobby
I'm at work right now but if I recall, you want to create a track, turn on monitoring (bottom right of the track box), then right click on the track record button & make sure the 'Monitor Input' & 'Record: Input' are both selected. Choose your device from the 'Input: MIDI' (same menu as previous). Add any VI plugs as an insert and you should be good to go.
Old 17th April 2019
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Yeah, the monitor button : ) And this is compounded by how the buttons can disappear if the track control isn't extended out enough. LOL, I'm also sitting elsewhere and trying to not do what I'm supposed to be doing : ) but the issue, IIRC, is only there when the record button is engaged. When it is you need to have the "record monitoring" button set right, either off, on or auto.
Old 18th April 2019
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Yeah, the monitor button : ) And this is compounded by how the buttons can disappear if the track control isn't extended out enough. LOL, I'm also sitting elsewhere and trying to not do what I'm supposed to be doing : ) but the issue, IIRC, is only there when the record button is engaged. When it is you need to have the "record monitoring" button set right, either off, on or auto.
Well, there's been a little progress, but still not completely fixed.

I did a "return to factory settings" and re-entered my in and out device, Focusrite 6i6.

I then dragged and dropped an Addictive Drums 2 loop into track one. Works like a dream. The settings are: MIDI:Focusrite USB:All channels.

Next move was to "Insert:virtual instrument on new track." I choose SampleTank 4. The settings are the same as track 1. SampleTank opens, I choose an instrument.

The "record monitoring" button is on. The track is armed. I press a controller key and it is recording drums again, on track 2.

I turned off the "record armed" and "record monitoring" buttons off on track 1.

Now, on track 2, I don't hear anything. The meters on both tracks are moving, but it is the drums playing on both tracks.

I know I'm getting close, but it is just to find whatever setting is messing me up. I'm looking forward to getting Reaper up and running because for the little bit I've played around in it so far, I'm thinking that I like it. Even though I am using it for the very first time I'm finding it very easy to navigate around in it.

Thanks again guys for your help!!! Very much appreciated.

/OM
Old 18th April 2019
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I would suggest that you spend an hour or two watching some of Kenny Gioia's videos...particularly the <Reaper 5 explained> series.

I switched from Sonar Platinum shortly after the meltdown of Gibson, and watched a lot of the videos thru, as it is a pretty substantial paradigm shift to Reaper, even though I have been using DAWs for literally >>30 years...sigh.

Getting familiar with the user interface and the built-in time-saving devices will delight you and make you see how 'clunky' Sonar was (I started with Cakewalk when it was MIDI only and that plus Audacity and band-in-the-box was my total experience (besides hardware sequencers and synths).

Regarding your question...to audition and adjust sounds, you have to have Record Enable [ON] and Monitoring [ON]. You can leave monitoring on all the time, but make sure to turn Record Enable [OFF] on all the channels that you don't want to record before you hit <ctrl>-R

j
Old 18th April 2019
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Originally Posted by shmuelyosef View Post
I would suggest that you spend an hour or two watching some of Kenny Gioia's videos...particularly the <Reaper 5 explained> series.

I switched from Sonar Platinum shortly after the meltdown of Gibson, and watched a lot of the videos thru, as it is a pretty substantial paradigm shift to Reaper, even though I have been using DAWs for literally >>30 years...sigh.

Getting familiar with the user interface and the built-in time-saving devices will delight you and make you see how 'clunky' Sonar was (I started with Cakewalk when it was MIDI only and that plus Audacity and band-in-the-box was my total experience (besides hardware sequencers and synths).

Regarding your question...to audition and adjust sounds, you have to have Record Enable [ON] and Monitoring [ON]. You can leave monitoring on all the time, but make sure to turn Record Enable [OFF] on all the channels that you don't want to record before you hit <ctrl>-R

j
Yep... I started about the same time as you, and using the very same software. It's scary how fast time has flown by.

I'll have a look at the videos you suggest. But if I can't get it working right after that I'm just going to give up. I have better things to do than pulling what's left of my hair out and just getting frustrated. Cakewalk may not be up to standards compared to other DAWs but at least I was able to get it working. In fact, it just about set itself up on it's own.

Thanks for your help!!! Much appreciated.

/OM
Old 19th April 2019
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Old 20th April 2019
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Well, I kinda got it working. If anything, I figured out what was/is the root of my problem.

It seems that the trouble isn't Reaper. The problem is with Sample Tank.

I tried loading another VST into Reaper. It was a bass guitar from Cakewalk and it worked just fine as soon as I inserted it on a new track. I literally didn't have to touch any settings to make it work.

I then tried to insert a Sample Tank instrument on a new track. Same problem - no sound. And yes... the monitor recording button was set to "on" and "record" was armed.

But somehow, some way I clicked on something in the settings that made it work. However, I was pressing and trying so many different things, I can't really tell you what I did.

I tried checking the settings for the track above the Sample Track and everything looked exactly the same. But without the same results. *sigh*.

I saved the track as a template. And so when I added another new track for a Sample Tank instrument I simply opened my track template. Voila!!!

I know there must a setting somewhere that will load Sample Tank without having to do this, but so far I really don't know where it is. I'm wondering if there is anyone here that is using Sample Tank with Reaper. If so, I would love to hear from you to tell me the exact settings I should be using.

For everyone who has taken the time to offer their help to me, thanks so much... very appreciated.

/OM
Old 26th April 2019
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I just noticed that I didn't report that I found the cure to the problem I was having. So sorry for being so long in doing so.

The mistake I was making was when I inserted Sample Tank I was using the wrong one. For some reason there were two Sample Tank options in the box where I chose which vst to put into a track on Reaper. Once I picked the other of the two everything worked flawlessly. I didn't have to make any setup adjustments after I dragged and dropped Sample Tank onto it's own track.

A word to the wise... you probably shouldn't start clicking on all kinds of buttons when you're trying to set up a vst - like I was doing. You'll probably forget what buttons you were pressing once you get it going. From what I've been seeing, if you pick the right vst in Reaper's vst list, there's a pretty good chance that you won't have to make any adjustments at all to make it work. Sometimes less is more!

/OM
Old 27th April 2019
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Glad to hear you got that sorted out : ) I used to let installers install everything that I had an app that could use the format, but that made Reaper's fx box have a duplicates of everything, and now triplicates with VST3 ! Nowadays most apps will use multiple formats but most have a clearer way to deal with them visually if you're casual about checking out plugins, which I am. What you can do with Reaper is set up categories and drag them into their own, but it doesn't happen automatically, you have to flirt with carpal tunnel to set it up.
Old 28th April 2019
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I haven't read through the thread, but I have taught Reaper and this comes up a lot.

There is a difference between adding a track, and adding a Virtual Instrument Track.

Right-click in the track section on the left of the DAW, choose the option to add new virtual instrument. Make sure that track is record enabled. Make sure that track has monitoring turned on.

If you simply add a VST instrument to an "audio" track in Reaper you will have issues getting sound without a few extra steps.
Old 28th April 2019
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I haven't read through the thread, but I have taught Reaper and this comes up a lot.

There is a difference between adding a track, and adding a Virtual Instrument Track.

Right-click in the track section on the left of the DAW, choose the option to add new virtual instrument. Make sure that track is record enabled. Make sure that track has monitoring turned on.

If you simply add a VST instrument to an "audio" track in Reaper you will have issues getting sound without a few extra steps.
from what I can see, that seems to produce the behavior of giving the user an option to build a multi output device or not.
and also setting the input to All Midi Inputs. then opening the page to load an instrument FX.

for the OP. when things are working, saving the track as a template is a good idea. though it might get confusing if you have a load of different instrument and other templates all mixed together. so making sub folders for the templates is a good idea.

also, for general operations, populating toolbars with buttons which trigger Actions is also a good approach. there are a lot of Actions so when you find a useful one, keeping it in a toolbar saves you forgetting what name to search at some other stage.
Old 3rd May 2019
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Whatever happens. Don’t get discouraged. Reaper will live up to its name and eventually all other daws will perish from the pressure of having to compete with the most perfect daw ever conceived.
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