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mixing "template"
Old 4th September 2006
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mixing "template"

Hello Bruce.

My question has to do with your standard approach to a R&B mix.
I know that you can not simply apply a template to a mix and
expect it to come out spectacular and to its full potential, but
you have to start somewhere.

So, my question is do you have a standard "template" you start with
when mixing and then start adding,subtracting and moving things around from there
to better convey the song to the listeners?

If not is there any tendencies you always "go to" such as bass guitar with a mono delay straight up the center?

Ie:

Drums & Bass Guitar sent to a subgroup where they are processed
to interlock with each other with a bit of compression or limiting.
(I know you said compression is for KIDS, but you must have some way
of making them gel.)

Snare on its own stereo track.

Hi-Hat, Rim, Crash subgrouped to a stereo track.

Rhodes Piano on its own stereo track.

Strings on its own stereo track.

Lead Guitar on its own stereo track.

Accompanying Guitar 1= panned hard left.

Accompanying Guitar 2= panned hard right.

Accompanying Guitar 3= panned hard right.

Backing Vocal 1 = panned hard left.Unity from lead singer sent to vox subgroup 1.

Backing Vocal 2 = panned hard left.Unity from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Backing Vocal 3 = panned hard left.Harmony from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Backing Vocal 4 = panned hard right.Unity from lead singer sent to vox subgroup 1.

Backing Vocal 5 = panned hard right.Unity from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Backing Vocal 6 = panned hard right.Harmony from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Lead Vocal processed on its own maybe with some mono ar stereo delay.


Thank you very much lots of good info here!!
Take care.
Brandon
Old 5th September 2006
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Your mix will be ugly and will make you very depressed...

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Originally Posted by bkg73 View Post
Hello Bruce.

My question has to do with your standard approach to a R&B mix.
I know that you can not simply apply a template to a mix and
expect it to come out spectacular and to its full potential, but
you have to start somewhere.

So, my question is do you have a standard "template" you start with
when mixing and then start adding,subtracting and moving things around from there
to better convey the song to the listeners?

If not is there any tendencies you always "go to" such as bass guitar with a mono delay straight up the center?

Ie:

Drums & Bass Guitar sent to a subgroup where they are processed
to interlock with each other with a bit of compression or limiting.
(I know you said compression is for KIDS, but you must have some way
of making them gel.)

Snare on its own stereo track.

Hi-Hat, Rim, Crash subgrouped to a stereo track.

Rhodes Piano on its own stereo track.

Strings on its own stereo track.

Lead Guitar on its own stereo track.

Accompanying Guitar 1= panned hard left.

Accompanying Guitar 2= panned hard right.

Accompanying Guitar 3= panned hard right.

Backing Vocal 1 = panned hard left.Unity from lead singer sent to vox subgroup 1.

Backing Vocal 2 = panned hard left.Unity from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Backing Vocal 3 = panned hard left.Harmony from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Backing Vocal 4 = panned hard right.Unity from lead singer sent to vox subgroup 1.

Backing Vocal 5 = panned hard right.Unity from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Backing Vocal 6 = panned hard right.Harmony from back singer sent to vox subgroup 2.

Lead Vocal processed on its own maybe with some mono ar stereo delay.


Thank you very much lots of good info here!!
Take care.
Brandon
Brandon My Friend....

Attempting to mix as you have outlined above is heading you straight into a big pile of Dog-Doo... Your mix will be ugly and will make you very depressed... The very fact that you have pre-thought the mix as much as you have, only means that you have already draiined all the musicality out of it!!!

May I suggest the following...

Drums & Bass Guitar

Snare (Mono)

Hi-Hat, Rim, Crash

Rhodes Piano on its own stereo track.

Strings on its own stereo track.

Lead Guitar on its own stereo track.

Accompanying Guitar 1 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Accompanying Guitar 2 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Accompanying Guitar 3 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Backing Vocal 1 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Backing Vocal 2 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Backing Vocal 3 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Backing Vocal 4 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Backing Vocal 5 - (Panned where it feels really good.).

Backing Vocal 6 - (Panned where it feels really good.)

Lead Vocal processed on its own maybe with some mono ar stereo delay. (In very good taste only!!!)

When you start your mix, start with the "MOTOR".... By this I mean... Drums & Bass Guitar - Snare - Hi-Hat, Rim, Crash - Rhodes Piano ... Spend an hour two on only these instruments. Make them groove!!! Make them sound like music!!!!

When you have done that, let's talk again... (Template, my ass!!!)

Bruce Swedien



Old 5th September 2006
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Brandon My Friend....

Attempting to mix as you have outlined above is heading you straight into a big pile of Dog-Doo... Your mix will be ugly and will make you very depressed... The very fact that you have pre-thought the mix as much as you have, only means that you have already draiined all the musicality out of it!!!

May I suggest the following...
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JR
Old 5th September 2006
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Thanks Bruce,

That example was taken from the WAVES instructional book that Mr. Egizii
wrote. Shows different techniques on using WAVES plugins for
mixing and mastering.

It was just meant as an example and I do not mix that way.
I always place instruments with my ear and not a preset.
Just wondering if you had a certain order you thru things up and
typical pannings you thru them up on when first starting a mix.

Thanks,
Brandon
Old 5th September 2006
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Awesome post Bruce!
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