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Old 19th May 2019
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Clean install on High Sierra, no speedstepping, all the usual stuff. Sigh.
I don’t know this for a fact but I’ve seen it suggested that 2019.5 is optimised for Mojave and runs better on it.
Maybe worth a try on a clean instal spare disk?
Old 19th May 2019
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I'm not sure I understand. PT has been capable of using ASIO since PT about 7-8 years ago.

Yes, their ASIO implementation is buggy and problematic, and when I was a PT user I spent more time cursing at it than using it, but if talk to to it nicely, buy it flowers, caress it ever so gently, and tell it over and over how it is the best DAW in the universe, ASIO can be made to work.

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2019 is running great here on Win10 for me.

If they'd just open up the I/O for non avid hardware, I'd be 100% satisfied for what I'm using protools for.
Old 19th May 2019
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I don’t know this for a fact but I’ve seen it suggested that 2019.5 is optimised for Mojave and runs better on it.
Maybe worth a try on a clean instal spare disk?
I wouldn’t believe that.

I’m running it on Sierra and have noticed a big improvement over any 2018 version I was running prior.

The only thing that is worse is the font change on the clips in the timeline. It’s been bolded with a contrast increase. It looks almost blurry. Not great on the eyes.

Oh and the Eucon update didn’t go so well, but if you don’t use a control surface then you’re fine.
Old 19th May 2019
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I don’t know this for a fact but I’ve seen it suggested that 2019.5 is optimised for Mojave and runs better on it.
Maybe worth a try on a clean instal spare disk?
I'd love to if it wasn't for my nVIDIA graphics card, no drivers for Mojave still!

Can anyone on here run native instruments plug ins record-enabled at 32 buffer in Pro Tools Native with any interface? Would love to see how it's acting for others.
Old 19th May 2019
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I'm not sure I understand. PT has been capable of using ASIO since PT about 7-8 years ago.

Yes, their ASIO implementation is buggy and problematic, and when I was a PT user I spent more time cursing at it than using it, but if talk to to it nicely, buy it flowers, caress it ever so gently, and tell it over and over how it is the best DAW in the universe, ASIO can be made to work.

Sorry. Number of IO. There's an arbitrary limit of 32 IO, and you can't even choose which 32.

I have 4 IO I can't use (AES, SPDIF), and there's no way to even swap them with regular IO in PT.

I want 16 more IO, and even buting ultimate won't allow it.

I should add the RME's drivers have been rock solid in PT for me. At this point I would guess that the majority of the problems that I've had have been how PT used CPU
Old 19th May 2019
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I have 4 IO I can't use (AES, SPDIF), and there's no way to even swap them with regular IO in PT.

I should add the RME's drivers have been rock solid in PT for me. At this point I would guess that the majority of the problems that I've had have been how PT used CPU
bust open the Totalmix and loopback your AES and SPDIF to a different input. That's what I do. It's not perfect if you need more than 32IO but i have an audient mico over spdif that I use that way.
Old 19th May 2019
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bust open the Totalmix and loopback your AES and SPDIF to a different input. That's what I do. It's not perfect if you need more than 32IO but i have an audient mico over spdif that I use that way.

I should have mentioned that. I didn't say it because other folks don't have that luxury, they are just SOL if they have more than 32 IO that don't line up the way they'd like.

I take the output from my console through an A/D then go AES into a loopback and record it. It limits me to 30 outputs, but does work. I did make up a separate snapshot to make it easier to switch, but it's still easy to screw up and leave the outputs open on the console and get feedback if it's loud, or phasing in the mix if it's not.
Old 19th May 2019
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other folks don't have that luxury, they are just SOL if they have more than 32 IO that don't line up the way they'd like.
True enough. Used to use a MOTU 2048 set up with three interfaces in an old studio, had no way to use any outboard as it was all patched from input/output 33 onwards! And I'm way too slow to be running one day sessions in Cubase!
Old 19th May 2019
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Ah yes, the 32 i/o limit. Another arbitrary limit put on the system by Avid, much like tracks AKA "voices". I don't need 32 i/o but it has to be rough for people who do. At least this version is said to be more efficient with multi-core CPU's so that should be a benefit.

As for ASIO, my interface's drivers work perfectly in every other application, including Samplitude, Reaper, Studio One, and various editors. Never a hiccup. Only PT remains problematic. I've tried the native driver as well as ASIO4ALL, which works differently in PT, and eliminates some of the issues while creating others. A simple thing like opening a different project with a different sample rate is still a problem in PT 12.8, my final version. I've moved on, I don't have to fight that battle any more.

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Sorry. Number of IO. There's an arbitrary limit of 32 IO, and you can't even choose which 32.

I have 4 IO I can't use (AES, SPDIF), and there's no way to even swap them with regular IO in PT.

I want 16 more IO, and even buting ultimate won't allow it.

I should add the RME's drivers have been rock solid in PT for me. At this point I would guess that the majority of the problems that I've had have been how PT used CPU
Old 17th June 2019
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Hello,
Do you know if PT 2019 works with 192?
Old 17th June 2019
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Hello,
Do you know if PT 2019 works with 192?
Do you mean the 192 interface? Or 192 KHz sample rate?
Old 17th June 2019
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It works with both. The 192 interface is no longer officially supported because of a chip that is no longer available for repairing it. A great many are still using the latest version of PT.
Old 17th June 2019
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I've got to say that 2019 just seems way more stable. Good job Avid.

Now release the i/o and I'll have nothing to complain about.
Old 18th June 2019
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It works with both. The 192 interface is no longer officially supported because of a chip that is no longer available for repairing it. A great many are still using the latest version of PT.
Is the chip in the 192 analog, digital or both units? I'm tempted to get a few digitals for AES/EBU
Old 18th June 2019
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I have no idea what chip. I do know lots of people who work every day with 192s and have not heard of any problems.
Old 26th June 2019
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Hello,
Do you know if PT 2019 works with 192?
I am currently using an Avid Omni with a 192 Digital with 2019.5 without issue. This system floats two 192 Analog, two 192 Digital units along with some Apogee AD16X/DA16X and Rosetta 800 units w/XHD in & out according to what's needed.
Old 27th June 2019
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Hello,
Do you know if PT 2019 works with 192?
I'm running PT Ultimate (HDN) 2019.5 with a 192 and an Avid 96io and it's extremely stable.
Old 27th June 2019
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Can anyone on here run native instruments plug ins record-enabled at 32 buffer in Pro Tools Native with any interface? Would love to see how it's acting for others.
I can. 4.5g 7980xe hacks with Focusrite Red8Pre's. Were there specific plugins giving you trouble? I have ultimate collector's edition...

Of course a lot of VI's at the 32 sample buffer choke things up, but NI is pretty good with low buffers here overall. The insert plugins here work well.

I wish we could a x2 and even x4 host buffer settings for VI's. x2 at least as a VI with x2 buffer would have the same latency as an input.

Overall 2019 is running well for me, one annoyance is when comping playlists during playback there are some stutters/dropouts. Sortof strange considering how solid it is otherwise.
Old 27th June 2019
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Of course a lot of VI's at the 32 sample buffer choke things up, but NI is pretty good with low buffers here overall.
Sorry should have been more clear, yes I mean the instruments. Kontakt, Massive, etc..
They all just die a death at 32, pro tools stutters and locks up and moving the mouse up to the buffer settings takes forever. This happens at anything below 128, regardless of kontakt memory manager being used or not. Standalone, or in Reaper, at 32 samples everything is perfect, no dropouts. Has been this way since I bought Komplete Ultimate 10, through all pro tools versions up until 2019.5
Old 27th June 2019
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Sorry should have been more clear, yes I mean the instruments. Kontakt, Massive, etc..
They all just die a death at 32, pro tools stutters and locks up and moving the mouse up to the buffer settings takes forever. This happens at anything below 128, regardless of kontakt memory manager being used or not. Standalone, or in Reaper, at 32 samples everything is perfect, no dropouts. Has been this way since I bought Komplete Ultimate 10, through all pro tools versions up until 2019.5
Out of curiosity, have you tried with another DAW than Reaper on your setup at 32 samples? Reaper is incredibly efficient. I don't think any other DAW is as efficient.

Of course it would be great if all DAWs were as efficient as Reaper but it might not be entirely fair to single out PT as most (or all?) DAWS are not as efficient as Reaper.

Alistair
Old 27th June 2019
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Of course it would be great if all DAWs were as efficient as Reaper but it might not be entirely fair to single out PT as most (or all?) DAWS are not as efficient as Reaper.

Alistair
Studio One - 16!!! Samples... although I've read somewhere that technically the RayDAT can't actually do that, and it's lowest real setting is 48... anyway a set up that is impossible in Pro Tools, Kontakt 5 drums into TG12345, super audio cart kontakt, and master fader has vulf compressor... whole system at 16 samples, I only heard my first glitch when I also started screen capturing (at 2650x1080 , 60pfs CPU encoded no less), listen out for it when I rec-enable the synth. Also running in background always: Rambox, Flux, VPN, Arq Cloud Backup, CCC on schedule, Brave browser. I can turn that stuff off if I really need to, but I had no need. The results speak for themselves. I am very impressed with this.
i7 6700k, 16GB Ram, Hackintosh, RME RayDat. The audio for this video is captured through RayDAT loopback to ADAT in of Steinberg UR824 which I also have connected for inputs and outputs on the RayDAT.
Old 27th June 2019
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Studio One - 16!!! Samples... although I've read somewhere that technically the RayDAT can't actually do that, and it's lowest real setting is 48... anyway a set up that is impossible in Pro Tools, Kontakt 5 drums into TG12345, super audio cart kontakt, and master fader has vulf compressor... whole system at 16 samples, I only heard my first glitch when I also started screen capturing, listen out for it when I rec-enable the synth. Also running in background always: Rambox, Flux, VPN, Arq Cloud Backup, CCC on schedule, Brave browser. I can turn that stuff off if I really need to, but I had no need. The results speak for themselves. I am very impressed with this.
i7 6700k, 16GB Ram, Hackintosh, RME RayDat. The audio for this video is captured through RayDAT loopback to ADAT in of Steinberg UR824 which I also have connected for inputs and outputs on the RayDAT.
That's one of the things about Studio One that really impressed me.

I was never able to use anything under 128 with Pro Tools and my Apollo without everything going south but with Studio One I can set it to 32 and everything is still smooth.
Old 27th June 2019
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Out of curiosity, have you tried with another DAW than Reaper on your setup at 32 samples?
Logic Pro 32 samples
Studio One 16 samples
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Old 27th June 2019
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Studio One - 16!!! Samples... although I've read somewhere that technically the RayDAT can't actually do that, and it's lowest real setting is 48... anyway a set up that is impossible in Pro Tools, Kontakt 5 drums into TG12345, super audio cart kontakt, and master fader has vulf compressor... whole system at 16 samples, I only heard my first glitch when I also started screen capturing (at 2650x1080 , 60pfs CPU encoded no less), listen out for it when I rec-enable the synth. Also running in background always: Rambox, Flux, VPN, Arq Cloud Backup, CCC on schedule, Brave browser. I can turn that stuff off if I really need to, but I had no need. The results speak for themselves. I am very impressed with this.
i7 6700k, 16GB Ram, Hackintosh, RME RayDat. The audio for this video is captured through RayDAT loopback to ADAT in of Steinberg UR824 which I also have connected for inputs and outputs on the RayDAT.
Studio One puts Sluggy Tools to shame.
Old 27th June 2019
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Studio One - 16!!! Samples... although I've read somewhere that technically the RayDAT can't actually do that, and it's lowest real setting is 48... anyway a set up that is impossible in Pro Tools, Kontakt 5 drums into TG12345, super audio cart kontakt, and master fader has vulf compressor... whole system at 16 samples, I only heard my first glitch when I also started screen capturing (at 2650x1080 , 60pfs CPU encoded no less), listen out for it when I rec-enable the synth. Also running in background always: Rambox, Flux, VPN, Arq Cloud Backup, CCC on schedule, Brave browser. I can turn that stuff off if I really need to, but I had no need. The results speak for themselves. I am very impressed with this.
i7 6700k, 16GB Ram, Hackintosh, RME RayDat. The audio for this video is captured through RayDAT loopback to ADAT in of Steinberg UR824 which I also have connected for inputs and outputs on the RayDAT.

Fair enough, thanks for your response!

Alistair
Old 18th July 2019
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Sorry should have been more clear, yes I mean the instruments. Kontakt, Massive, etc..
They all just die a death at 32, pro tools stutters and locks up and moving the mouse up to the buffer settings takes forever. This happens at anything below 128, regardless of kontakt memory manager being used or not. Standalone, or in Reaper, at 32 samples everything is perfect, no dropouts. Has been this way since I bought Komplete Ultimate 10, through all pro tools versions up until 2019.5
Yeah, I can get Kontakt to run below 128, but not in a very large session. Reaper, S1, Logic are all better at lower latencies for sure.

To me it seems like there are a number of VI's that don't work well at low latencies in PT, Refx nexus for instance is one that doesn't make any sense to me...very low on CPU but it also doesn't play nicely at anything below 128.
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