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Logic iPad remote performance - fixes?
Old 17th July 2013
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Logic iPad remote performance - fixes?

Experiences, bugs, fixes?

For me, the remote app seems not to work properly. It works for perhaps ten seconds at the most. I get these messages on the iPad app:
"Poor Network Performance"
"Logic Remote was unable to connect to the selected Mac running Logic..."

There should be nothing wrong with the network as I have Time Capsule in the same room. iPad wifi icon shows four bars.

I'm using iPad2, perhaps there is some incompatibility with it after all?

For other people the remote app seems to work fine, or does it?

Not that I would use the app that much, yet it makes me wonder.
Old 17th July 2013
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Working great here!
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Yep I get this problem as well, nothing wrong with my WIFI everything else works fine.

I tested a ping from my iPad to the mac and it was always below 10ms.

This is with an iPad 3.
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Try and retype the port numbers for the logic iPad controller in the logic controller setup page. Doesn't matter what you type, as they default to what they need to be.
See he that goes. Worked for me.
Old 17th July 2013
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Thank you. Did not help, however. I also tried to delete the control surface from that page (in Logic Pro X menu > Control Surfaces > Setup > Logic Remote) and reinstall it. The problem still exists.

I see there's at least two of us... so perhaps this is a bug.
Old 17th July 2013
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Completely insulting that a midi controller app is restricted to iOS6 when it easily can be run on 5. Screws over everyone with a first gen iPad. Not buying logic on this basis alone. If they care so little about their consumer base already it's only going to get worse from here.
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My solution was to remove all the controllers that it had picked up form my version 9 setup, then magically it started working. Don't know how that improved the WIFI!
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There it is. It was interfering with the Touch OSX iPhone app.

Thanks Bob. Now the app seems to work flawlessly (fingers crossed).

edit: ....except that the mixer pots do not send messages to Logic. Transport, drum pads and smart controls ok.
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Only for a while here unfortunately then it has started playing up again.

The remote app has crashed a couple of times as well, I think I will leave it a month or so for them to sort it out before trying it again.

Had Logic X go down a couple of times as well :(
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Yes that is what I plan to do as well. It will be a good addition when the bugs are fixed.

I've had two crashes in Logic, I think the first was due to a minor 3rd party incompatibility and the other one to this iPad thing.
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Not buying logic on this basis alone.
Mate, the iPad app is a plus, hardly not a reason for anyone to buy Logic..
Old 17th July 2013
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Mate, the iPad app is a plus, hardly not a reason for anyone to buy Logic..
You're right. Why would I want to use a Multi touch control surface for automation when I can draw it in with my mouse 1 fader at a time.

They released an official app controller for their daw that doesn't work for a single early supporter of their innovative product. Maybe you can't grasp how stupid that is, but they're going to lose a lot of customers by acting like AVID and shunning people for no reason other than they WANT you to buy their new iPads. Especially in an industry where gear stays around much longer than in others, this is moronic.
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You're right. Why would I want to use a Multi touch control surface for automation when I can draw it in with my mouse 1 fader at a time.

They released an official app controller for their daw that doesn't work for a single early supporter of their innovative product. Maybe you can't grasp how stupid that is, but they're going to lose a lot of customers by acting like AVID and shunning people or no reason other than they WANt you to buy their new iPads. Especially in an industry where gear stays around much longer than in others, this is moronic.
Apple has a history of forcing upgrades by limiting software innovation to newer products. It's how they keep their customers buying newer and better devices.

It's also to protect them from complaints that a newer app doesn't perform up to speed on an older device. (And, to be honest, a 1st gen iPad is outdated and would run the Logic Remote app very poorly.) Even though you might be willing to live with the delayed response and laggy performance, they choose not to allow that to happen.

But I do think they should allow you to use it if you want. It's just to drive sales of newer models. At least IMHO.
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You're right. Why would I want to use a Multi touch control surface for automation when I can draw it in with my mouse 1 fader at a time.

They released an official app controller for their daw that doesn't work for a single early supporter of their innovative product. Maybe you can't grasp how stupid that is, but they're going to lose a lot of customers by acting like AVID and shunning people for no reason other than they WANT you to buy their new iPads. Especially in an industry where gear stays around much longer than in others, this is moronic.
Unfortunately the iPad 1 is a bit underpowered, with 256mb of RAM, and it is unable to run iOS6. It also has slower wifi than the newer models.

Logic Remote has a bunch of information to send and receive via wifi - way more than I had expected (meters updated in real time, low-latency performance interfaces, etc) - so it is not a huge surprise that Logic Remote doesn't work with the original iPad.

For perspective, iPad 1 was released in 2010, about a year after the original release of Logic Pro 9.

I understand why you're upset - it would be better for everyone if Logic Remote worked with iPad 1 (hell, I'd go buy one just to use as a Logic Remote) - but it seems like there are technical issues keeping it from working.

As an early adopter, these are the types of problems you will often run into in the computer world.
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You're right. Why would I want to use a Multi touch control surface for automation when I can draw it in with my mouse 1 fader at a time.

They released an official app controller for their daw that doesn't work for a single early supporter of their innovative product. Maybe you can't grasp how stupid that is, but they're going to lose a lot of customers by acting like AVID and shunning people for no reason other than they WANT you to buy their new iPads. Especially in an industry where gear stays around much longer than in others, this is moronic.
Its not stupid, as far as Apple is concerned the iPad 1 is end of life. They are making it more difficult for developers to develop apps for version 5. When version 7 is released it will basically be impossible to develop an app that works on 5, 6 and 7. They want you to buy a new iPad, simple as that.
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Unfortunately the iPad 1 is a bit underpowered, with 256mb of RAM, and it is unable to run iOS6. It also has slower wifi than the newer models.

Logic Remote has a bunch of information to send and receive via wifi - way more than I had expected (meters updated in real time, low-latency performance interfaces, etc) - so it is not a huge surprise that Logic Remote doesn't work with the original iPad.

For perspective, iPad 1 was released in 2010, about a year after the original release of Logic Pro 9.

I understand why you're upset - it would be better for everyone if Logic Remote worked with iPad 1 (hell, I'd go buy one just to use as a Logic Remote) - but it seems like there are technical issues keeping it from working.

As an early adopter, these are the types of problems you will often run into in the computer world.
It's odd that V-control works with 0 issues when it can literally send the entire screen I real time and allow you to touch anything on your desktop through the app.

Apple can do it easily, the fact of the matter is they're trying to nickle and dime their early investors and are effectively flipping them the bird when it comes to this update. It's a controller, it does not process any audio. It displays and controls things via midi information which the iPad 1 can handle ( and frankly has handled a lot more in other apps)

Apple is the new AVID. Don't be surprised when it they start pulling this crap with Logic as well.


*** did all of you go out and upgrade fully to a full HDX system when it came out. People seem to be so gung go with new technology here, I assume you've all gotten rid of your old HD systems and upgrade your Mac Pro every year?
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It's odd that V-control works with 0 issues when it can literally send the entire screen I real time and allow you to touch anything on your desktop through the app.

Apple can do it easily, the fact of the matter is they're trying to nickle and dime their early investors and are effectively flipping them the bird when it comes to this update. It's a controller, it does not process any audio. It displays and controls things via midi information which the iPad 1 can handle ( and frankly has handled a lot more in other apps)

Apple is the new AVID. Don't be surprised when it they start pulling this crap with Logic as well.
Apple could most likely create a version of Logic X that would work on Power PCs as well...
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iPad app is flawess here.
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iPad app is flawess here.
I'm having wifi issues, can't get get it to communicate at all. No big deal, by the time I get everything else settled in I'm sure there will be a fix available.
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Is your Mac on wifi or wired?

I have my Mac Pro connected via ethernet and the iPad (obvs) on wifi.
Also have Eucon devices connected via ethernet which work fine too.
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Is your Mac on wifi or wired?

I have my Mac Pro connected via ethernet and the iPad (obvs) on wifi.
Also have Eucon devices connected via ethernet which work fine too.
Mine's on wifi, my modem and Time Capsule are at the other end of the house.
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Mine's on wifi, my modem and Time Capsule are at the other end of the house.
I reckon that will be the culprit.
Weak signal, through walls for the iPad -> router -> Mac and back again.

FWIW, my Mac Pro is 60 metres from my router- I run a long CAT5 cable (which I put in when I renovated the house).
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I reckon that will be the culprit.
Weak signal, through walls for the iPad -> router -> Mac and back again.

FWIW, my Mac Pro is 60 metres from my router- I run a long CAT5 cable (which I put in when I renovated the house).

I should move my modem and router into the room my music stuff is in, that might just be the ticket (and much easier than running 80 feet of CAT5!).
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Well I have my Mac Pro here attached by ethernet to the WIFI Router, the iPad is 2 meters away and the remote doesn't like it.

I even tried another WIFI router, same problem.

Ping times from iPad to mac pro are less than 10ms with the odd one going up to 30ms.

Very weird, I have never had any problems with WIFI between my iPad and the computer. Until now that is.
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I don't know why I didn't thing of this before!

I power cycled the iPad and it is now working ok for me.
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I don't know why I didn't thing of this before!

I power cycled the iPad and it is now working ok for me.
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I don't know why I didn't thing of this before!

I power cycled the iPad and it is now working ok for me.
Nice.
You can also try putting it into flight mode and then back again.
Does the same job- reinitialises wifi.
Old 17th July 2013
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can also confirm that i was able to resolve this wifi issue by going into the controller set up and removing all existing devices (including Logic Remote).

after that i had zero issues.
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can also confirm that i was able to resolve this wifi issue by going into the controller set up and removing all existing devices (including Logic Remote).

after that i had zero issues.
I can confirm that as well. The iPad seemed only able to get data from the Mac but not able to send to it. Now it's fixed.
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