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Logic Pro Multicore Benchmarktest ! Audio Interfaces
Old 29th January 2017
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2016 MacBook Pro 15" 2.9GHz 16GB RAM 1TB SSD

Logic 10.3 on macOS Sierra 10.12.3

106 tracks @ 128 samples

100 tracks @ 512 samples
Old 31st January 2017
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2016 MacBook Pro 15" 2.9GHz 16GB RAM 1TB SSD

Logic 10.3 on macOS Sierra 10.12.3

106 tracks @ 128 samples

100 tracks @ 512 samples
That's with the track bar, yes?

And compares with my rMBP 2015 (mid-2014 model) 15" 2.2 16GB 256 SSD at 512 samples: 90 tracks.

So 10%... but with the faster processor... it does seem like rMBP performance has stalled... and the prices are... up... in the last three years...
Old 1st February 2017
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My 5960X hacks (10.12 4.3ghz using HDN core audio) with 10.3 can do 255 rock solid with room to spare at 44.1k at any buffer size.
251 here, same setup but at 4.0ghz.

Awesome power for reasonable money.
Old 1st February 2017
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Well it's 17.7% up using the 106 track count. But who's counting? :P

Until Intel brings their rumoured 6 core mobile coffee lake chips there's only going to be small incremental bumps.

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That's with the track bar, yes?

And compares with my rMBP 2015 (mid-2014 model) 15" 2.2 16GB 256 SSD at 512 samples: 90 tracks.

So 10%... but with the faster processor... it does seem like rMBP performance has stalled... and the prices are... up... in the last three years...
Old 2nd February 2017
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10.11.6, Late 2013 MBPr 2.3ghz i7, 1tb ssd got me to 90 tracks in 32 bit summing mode and about 80 in 64 bit summing @512.
Old 2nd February 2017
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I'm getting chills of curiosity

Can someone please post some comparisons, under same test conditions
and same OsX version, of benchmark track count using Logic 10.2.4 vs. Logic 10.3?

Can someone please post some comparisons, under same test conditions
and same Logic 10.2.4, of benchmark track count using Yosemite vs ElCapitan vs Sierra,
or any 2 of the three?
Old 2nd February 2017
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10.11.6, Late 2013 MBPr 2.3ghz i7, 1tb ssd got me to 90 tracks in 32 bit summing mode and about 80 in 64 bit summing @512.
Less tracks with 64-bit summing - interesting!
Old 2nd February 2017
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Less tracks with 64-bit summing - interesting!
I actually just updated to Sierra last night (10.12.3) and so far I haven't seen a difference between the track counts in 64 and 32 bit summing, but I definitely did under El Capitan. I'm guessing new Logic is optimized for Sierra... it tamed some CPU spikes (a bit) for me too. Late 2013 MBPr, 2.3Ghz i7, 1TB ssd got 91 or 94 depending on how my computer was feeling at the moment lol. So I'm seeing a very slight improvement under 10.12.3 vs 10.11.6. Couldn't get it past 90 (in 32 bit summing) yesterday no matter how many times I restarted the track.
Old 3rd February 2017
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That's with the track bar, yes?

And compares with my rMBP 2015 (mid-2014 model) 15" 2.2 16GB 256 SSD at 512 samples: 90 tracks.

So 10%... but with the faster processor... it does seem like rMBP performance has stalled... and the prices are... up... in the last three years...
I can only agree. 2012 rMBP:

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2012 Retina MBP, 2.6 GHz, 16 Gb RAM
Logic Pro 9.1.7 under OS X 10.8
buffer size = 256, internal sound

track count = 91

it cycles through 90 reliably.
Old 7th February 2017
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Hackintosh Xeon E5-2658v3 12-Core / 24 Threads

Logic 10.3 on macOS Sierra 10.12.3
Apogee Duet Firewire

max 255 tracks @ 256 samples

http://eyetracking.sk/LogicPerformance.mov
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Old 7th February 2017
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Hackintosh Xeon E5-2658v3 12-Core / 24 Threads

Logic 10.3 on macOS Sierra 10.12.3
Apogee Duet Firewire

414 tracks @ 256 samples

http://eyetracking.sk/LogicPerformance.mov
Impressive, I thought the maximum instrument tracks was 256.
Old 7th February 2017
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Impressive, I thought the maximum instrument tracks was 256.
Now I checked the instructions and see that I should use medium buffer instead of large I used in my test
Old 7th February 2017
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Now I checked the instructions and see that I should use medium buffer instead of large I used in my test
No, what he means is you can't have more than 255 software inst. tracks in Logic. Unless it changed in 10.3???

KA
Old 7th February 2017
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No, what he means is you can't have more than 255 software inst. tracks in Logic. Unless it changed in 10.3???

KA
My reaction has been addressed to his "Impressive" not to 255 inst tracks.
Just fyi
Regarding instrument tracks, I did not know there is a limitation. I did the test once more and saw some strange thing related to number of instrument tracks. I was able to make in arrangement view as many tracks as I wanted but all tracks above 255 did not get separated track in mixer but share the track with some of already created instead. So after 255 tracks my CPU load stayed the same which I did not noticed as I did not have mixer windows open. Sorry for that...SO my result is 256 tracks with some reserve for the future

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Old 7th February 2017
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Hackintosh Xeon E5-2658v3 12-Core / 24 Threads

Logic 10.3 on macOS Sierra 10.12.3
Apogee Duet Firewire

414 tracks @ 256 samples

http://eyetracking.sk/LogicPerformance.mov
Looks like you have quite a machine! Awesome.
Old 7th February 2017
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Looks like you have quite a machine! Awesome.
Check the post above yours

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Old 7th February 2017
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Hackintosh Xeon E5-2658v3
How much did that computer cost you?
Old 7th February 2017
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How much did that computer cost you?
Not that much as you can buy this CPU for $250 on ebay as QS version (fully working with all features but not retail, I know very trustworthy seller). Then you buy new X99 board for $200 and DDR4 NOn-ecc memory.
The main challenge is OSX installation and optimisation as this chipset is not natively supported by Apple so It tooks me a week to make it fully working with all features and full power. Cinebench 1535pts, Average TPD 105W. Not bad.
Old 8th February 2017
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you can buy this CPU for $250 on ebay as QS version (fully working with all features but not retail, I know very trustworthy seller). Then you buy new X99 board for $200 and DDR4 NOn-ecc memory.
The main challenge is OSX installation and optimisation
Is it the 2.6 GHZ version?
If it takes a week to make it work properly, it would take two for me, because I wouldn't know what to do to make it work. And time is money.
Old 8th February 2017
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Fully working is a bit of a moving target. I had "everything fully working" on my i7-4790k and for no clear reason my USB audio interface now doesn't work after a few sleep cycles.

But dig this: my 12 core Apple-made MacPro was resisting sleep, it would sometimes refuse. And this week for no clear reason, it sleeps on command every time, even if I have Logic all set up and open.
Old 8th February 2017
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Fully working is a bit of a moving target. I had "everything fully working" on my i7-4790k and for no clear reason my USB audio interface now doesn't work after a few sleep cycles.

But dig this: my 12 core Apple-made MacPro was resisting sleep, it would sometimes refuse. And this week for no clear reason, it sleeps on command every time, even if I have Logic all set up and open.
That is really strange. My previous build was also LGA1150 (E3-1231v3) and it worked like a breeze from installation to real usage. There were no boot flags needed and did not get any error or strange behavior for almost 3 years.
My current build was the nightmare as X99 is the most complicated chipset for hackintosh. There are still some bugs but I believe to fix them in the near future. Windows i no go for me so I have to fight
Old 8th February 2017
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So, I have access to a few different mac pros, thought I'd run the benchmark on them I found when I overloaded, I'd sometimes need to drop back a lot of tracks before Logic would run smoothly again. From a more real life perspective, I would imagine the "stable" performance would actually be more pertinent, but obviously the maximum is what the benchmark is designed for comparing.

Mac Pro 2010 2.4ghz 8-core running Logic 9.1.8 Yosemite: 90 tracks stable, maximum 105 tracks before 100% failure rate.

Mac Pro 2012 3.33ghz 6-core running Logic 10.2 El Capitan: 80 tracks stable, maximum 100 tracks before 100% failure rate.

Mac Pro 2013 3.5ghz 6-core running Logic 10.2 El Capitan: 90 tracks stable, maximum 155 tracks before 100% failure rate.

I'm thinking of upgrading the 2010 soon (my personal rig) - logic 10.3 looks like it'll be enough to convince me to jump over finally. Will be interesting to run the test again with just the Logic update and see how the two compare! Probably going to up the OS to Sierra and possibly the processors soon too, so will be a nice direct comparison of each change.
Old 9th February 2017
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Hackintosh Xeon E5-2658v3 12-Core / 24 Threads

Logic 10.3 on macOS Sierra 10.12.3
Apogee Duet Firewire

414 tracks @ 256 samples

http://eyetracking.sk/LogicPerformance.mov
How does it perform at 128, 64 and 32 buffer?

I would have thought the 2.2ghz would struggle with real time low latency performance
Old 9th February 2017
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How does it perform at 128, 64 and 32 buffer?

I would have thought the 2.2ghz would struggle with real time low latency performance
Full 255 tracks even with medium buffer and 128 and 64 samples. Did not test 32 samples.
Turbo freq of this CPU is 2.9GHz and in multicore 2.5GHz
Old 9th February 2017
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Hackintosh Xeon E5-2658v3 12-Core / 24 Threads

Logic 10.3 on macOS Sierra 10.12.3
Apogee Duet Firewire

414 tracks @ 256 samples

http://eyetracking.sk/LogicPerformance.mov
Can I get the image to do my Hackintosh?
Old 9th February 2017
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Can I get the image to do my Hackintosh?
414 tacks is not right. I reached 255 which is max in Logic. All other tracks above 255 were sharing the mixer tracks of those 255.

If you wanna hackintosh try starting at tonymacx86.com
Old 9th February 2017
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Full 255 tracks even with medium buffer and 128 and 64 samples. Did not test 32 samples.
Turbo freq of this CPU is 2.9GHz and in multicore 2.5GHz
That thing sounds like a beast, and great value too
Old 9th February 2017
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That thing sounds like a beast, and great value too
IF you think about powerfull hackintosh for little money and easier osx installation, check dual socket motherboard with C602 chipset (natively supported by Apple as their Mac Pro 2013 is on the same chipset) + 2x 8-Core Xeon E5-2670 (matched pair on ebay costs around $200 including shipping fees). Motherboards go around $400 on ebay. You will get system with +25% more power than mine. The only downside is higher power consumption which is comparable to dual 6-Core Xeon X5690 Mac Pro 2010.

Cinebench R15 results (3D rendering which shows the real potencial of the CPU for music)

My system 1x E5-2658v3:
Result: 1535 points

Recommended 2x E5-2670 (v1)
Result: 2015 points

For comparison above mentioned i7-5960x on stock 3 Ghz
Result: 1280 points
Overclocked at 4 Ghz: 1500 points

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Old 9th February 2017
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IF you think about powerfull hackintosh for little money and easier osx installation, check dual socket motherboard with C602 chipset (natively supported by Apple as their Mac Pro 2013 is on the same chipset) + 2x 8-Core Xeon E5-2670 (matched pair on ebay costs around $200 including shipping fees). Motherboards go around $400 on ebay. You will get system with +25% more power than mine. The only downside is higher power consumption which is comparable to dual 6-Core Xeon X5690 Mac Pro 2010.
Sounds like a massive bargain. Cheaper and more powerful than my 5960x!
Old 9th February 2017
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Cinebench R15 results (3D rendering which shows the real potencial of the CPU for music)
Isn't 3d rendering an offline process? DAW work needs real time performance?
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