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Old 1 week ago
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Yea I had a 500 rack with a 525 in it and also an RNC and analog out/in via the MOTU (over firewire) and I would get different values every time I “pinged”
so to speak.

I have read that LPX has upped its game though (remember that was on LP9 that I was testing) and just wanted to see if things like sample accurate parallel compression was possible or not.

I think even Pro Tools might still have some ironing out to do here as well? I know it was a bit of a grumble for a while there anyway.

I’d test it myself but as luck would have it my MBP CPU died yesterday and just found out today it can’t be repaired. :(

R.
I'm hoping LPX does it well. I will try when I get it all set up.


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Do you have a patchbay?
if so, and audio ins and outs are versatile as far as connectivity goes, without backdoor cable rummaging..

I assumed you would use the clarett rather than the Audient to do the send/returns, are you talking realtime tracking whilst using in/out to outboard or in/during mixing?

i guess it wouldn't be an issue if you were using it as 'inserts' if the Clarett had inserts..

I think i'm tying my brain in knots now thinking too much..
My intention was to send out from the Clarett and back in yes. I may also use the inserts on the ASP880 for tracking, but the Clarett for "mixing", as in sending things back through gear. Two separate functions I guess.
Old 1 week ago
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Also I don't have a patch bay. I'll look into it. I didn't think I had enough gear to warrant one yet.
Old 1 week ago
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Konkon most definitely get a patchbay and patch all of the in/outs of your outboard to it as well as the inserts on ASP880. And include the Clarett’s line-in/line-outs too.

It’ll eat into your budget at bit but this will make your life infinitely easier and you’ll really be able to experiment with different configurations at the twist of a patch cable. Nothing worse than fiddling around the back of rack equipment trying to remember what goes where...

R.
Speaking of budget, would it matter greatly what patch bay I got? I can probably get some cheapskate ones locally, but they might be pretty low level. Is it the kind of thing that doesn't need to be super high end to do the job?
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Speaking of budget, would it matter greatly what patch bay I got? I can probably get some cheapskate ones locally, but they might be pretty low level. Is it the kind of thing that doesn't need to be super high end to do the job?
Yeah have search for "best budget patchbay" or something like that. There will be a few threads that come up and mention the pro's and con's of each but I don't reckon you need to spend a fortune.

I think Neutrik and Samson get mentioned quite a lot and they're around €50 or something? Can't remember off the top of my head but just have a little dig and you'll find some good advice.

R.
Old 1 week ago
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Yeah have search for "best budget patchbay" or something like that. There will be a few threads that come up and mention the pro's and con's of each but I don't reckon you need to spend a fortune.

I think Neutrik and Samson get mentioned quite a lot and they're around €50 or something? Can't remember off the top of my head but just have a little dig and you'll find some good advice.

R.
I was about to say there's a Neutrik one I have seen super cheap so was wondering if that would be worthwhile.

https://www.thomann.de/intl/hk/neutr...p_patchbay.htm

Something like that seems okay?
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Always best to have a quick online search to check opinions but I think (think!) that was the one (or at least a Neutrik and it wasn’t expensive) my buddy got, very simple, no bells and whistles, but he immediately loved how accessible it made all his toys.

I’m on my phone so can’t really check the link but I’d trust both Neutrik and Thomann.

R.

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I was about to say there's a Neutrik one I have seen super cheap so was wondering if that would be worthwhile.

https://www.thomann.de/intl/hk/neutr...p_patchbay.htm

Something like that seems okay?
Old 1 week ago
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Always best to have a quick online search to check opinions but I think (think!) that was the one (or at least a Neutrik and it wasn’t expensive) my buddy got, very simple, no bells and whistles, but he immediately loved how accessible it made all his toys.

I’m on my phone so can’t really check the link but I’d trust both Neutrik and Thomann.

R.
It's pretty cheap for sure.

I am just wondering how essential the patch bay is if I don't intend to change things much, because I forgot to mention that I will pretty much only ever record my own band and I am hoping to have a setup that I pretty much leave, with only maybe slight adjustments on gear settings.

I may go down the route of sending everything out and back in, but I am not sure yet. This would be the scenario in which the patch bay would help a lot. Is that right? Or am I totally off base here?

But if I have a setup with the gear on tracking that I barely change around then it would be less useful?

Am I understanding this correctly or am I mistaken?
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Well only you can say how useful it’ll be to your work-flow but the great thing is that then any piece you have can quickly be used in either situation (tracking or mixing) and quickly auditioned in situations you might not have first thought of and nor bothered with If you were faced with patching and unpatching everything from ‘round back.

Is it essential? Nah. Does it increase productivity? Definitely.

R.

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It's pretty cheap for sure.

I am just wondering how essential the patch bay is if I don't intend to change things much, because I forgot to mention that I will pretty much only ever record my own band and I am hoping to have a setup that I pretty much leave, with only maybe slight adjustments on gear settings.

I may go down the route of sending everything out and back in, but I am not sure yet. This would be the scenario in which the patch bay would help a lot. Is that right? Or am I totally off base here?

But if I have a setup with the gear on tracking that I barely change around then it would be less useful?

Am I understanding this correctly or am I mistaken?
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Well only you can say how useful it’ll be to your work-flow but the great thing is that then any piece you have can quickly be used in either situation (tracking or mixing) and quickly auditioned in situations you might not have first thought of and nor bothered with If you were faced with patching and unpatching everything from ‘round back.

Is it essential? Nah. Does it increase productivity? Definitely.

R.
I just had an idea. A friend of mine uses a patch bay. Maybe I should go and fool around with his a bit and understand better what I am dealing with so that I am more educated on the matter before making such a decision. I am definitely interested.
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That’s a great idea.

R.

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I just had an idea. A friend of mine uses a patch bay. Maybe I should go and fool around with his a bit and understand better what I am dealing with so that I am more educated on the matter before making such a decision. I am definitely interested.
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I'll ask him if I can come and have a shot.


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That’s a great idea.

R.
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Logic I/O works fine, just don't try it without thunderbolt connection. It gets unusable. I think most everyone has switched over by now? I typically do not ping for values if that helps. The thunderbolt latency is so small it isn't noticeable on most uses.
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Logic I/O works fine, just don't try it without thunderbolt connection. It gets unusable. I think most everyone has switched over by now? I typically do not ping for values if that helps. The thunderbolt latency is so small it isn't noticeable on most uses.
I am using Thunderbolt, but I need to convert Thunderbolt 2 to 3 for my computer. Should that make any difference?
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Not sure on that, but most likely not a big deal.
Old 5 days ago
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Not sure on that, but most likely not a big deal.
OK thanks. Not much choice anyway since my computer is only USB-C/TB3 and interfaces don't seem to be jumping on the TB3 thing.
Old 3 days ago
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Which brings me to another point. Due to the features of the Audient, I may end up putting on this stuff while tracking, rather than sending in and out. I want to have both options though. Don't know which will be best for me until I set it all up and try. Or maybe a mixture of both.
Hi guys, I would like to note that the I/O plugin (and hardware insert in Pro Tools) is not meant to be used while tracking. It is a mix tool. It can be done - but you will need to set an extremely low buffer setting in your DAW which could likely push your computer to it's limits. (Logic in this case)

As a secondary note - the Audient ASP series devices do not have outputs that can be used via ADAT. You will need to use the outputs of your main interface to connect your outboard gear. (though of course - you can still use the inputs of the ASP as returns connected to your main interface via ADAT)
Old 3 days ago
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Hi guys, I would like to note that the I/O plugin (and hardware insert in Pro Tools) is not meant to be used while tracking. It is a mix tool. It can be done - but you will need to set an extremely low buffer setting in your DAW which could likely push your computer to it's limits. (Logic in this case)

As a secondary note - the Audient ASP series devices do not have outputs that can be used via ADAT. You will need to use the outputs of your main interface to connect your outboard gear. (though of course - you can still use the inputs of the ASP as returns connected to your main interface via ADAT)
Maybe I'm missing something but can you not use these outputs/returns?

R.
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Old 2 days ago
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Hi guys, I would like to note that the I/O plugin (and hardware insert in Pro Tools) is not meant to be used while tracking. It is a mix tool. It can be done - but you will need to set an extremely low buffer setting in your DAW which could likely push your computer to it's limits. (Logic in this case)

As a secondary note - the Audient ASP series devices do not have outputs that can be used via ADAT. You will need to use the outputs of your main interface to connect your outboard gear. (though of course - you can still use the inputs of the ASP as returns connected to your main interface via ADAT)
The first part. Yes I know. I should not need it if I use hardware while tracking. My original question was for when I want to use it in mixing, so that's fine. I am interested in trying both ways and having both options, that's all.

Second part, well, I just meant to use the Audient if done while tracking, since it has the DB25 inserts. If while mixing I wanted to know how to do it with the Focusrite, as you were saying.

Thanks.
Old 2 days ago
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Maybe I'm missing something but can you not use these outputs/returns?

R.
I'm not sure about this, but I would probably use the Audient inserts while tracking, but just out/in from the Clarett if mixing.
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