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Old 15th June 2019
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Nice, are you planning on sticking with the 5,1 12 Core Mac Pro for a while?

How's the noise with it, mine's a noisey beast. Not sure it was always that way....
I’ll have to stick with this 5.1, can’t afford the New MAC Pro, actually disappointing to see it so expensive & not on the new AMD chips, maybe they will release a cheaper version with a 9900k instead of xeons..I could be dreaming

Noisy? It’s the most silent computer I’ve had, if you’ve got a Mac Pro 5.1 with noisy fans, there must be something wrong. The two front fans run quite slow even under extreme load
Old 17th June 2019
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Mac Pro 12 core 3.46 - Logic Pro 10.4.5, OSX 10.13.6
117 tracks @ 128 buffer, large process buffer internal audio
121 tracks @ 128 buffer, large process buffer, Apogee interface
As an experiment I thought I’d try the old 10.4.4 to see the speed difference! I just presumed 10.4.5 made if faster..

I got similar readings to above!

Logic 10.4.4
117 tracks @ 128 buffer, large process buffer internal audio
120 tracks @ 128 buffer, large process buffer, Apogee interface

I re-ran the 10.4.5 and it struggled to do the 117 tracks internally. I got a few system overloads before it would finally play, I think it shuffles the load about till it gets it to play. It also struggled to do the 121 with my interface.
I did have the activity monitor open however so maybe that’s it, but I noticed actually the thread count on 10.4.4 was 53 and on 10.4.5 was 54, it fluctuated up & down a bit so now I’m confused , I’m unsure 10.4.5 makes Logic have any faster performance at all! Certainly for my Mac Pro anyway..

I took some pics of the activity monitor but not allowed to post them it says.
Old 17th June 2019
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As an experiment I thought I’d try the old 10.4.4 to see the speed difference! I just presumed 10.4.5 made if faster..

I got similar readings to above!

Logic 10.4.4
117 tracks @ 128 buffer, large process buffer internal audio
120 tracks @ 128 buffer, large process buffer, Apogee interface

I re-ran the 10.4.5 and it struggled to do the 117 tracks internally. I got a few system overloads before it would finally play, I think it shuffles the load about till it gets it to play. It also struggled to do the 121 with my interface.
I did have the activity monitor open however so maybe that’s it, but I noticed actually the thread count on 10.4.4 was 53 and on 10.4.5 was 54, it fluctuated up & down a bit so now I’m confused , I’m unsure 10.4.5 makes Logic have any faster performance at all! Certainly for my Mac Pro anyway..

I took some pics of the activity monitor but not allowed to post them it says.
if you can get the new features with a similar speed; it s good news !
I'd not expect Logic in 2019 to be optimized for ALL machines including all Mac Pros. with old machine, at one point it's better to stop upgrading and keep a clean system.
Old 17th June 2019
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As I've seen results here with the new Mac Mini (32GB RAM) going as much as 91 tracks, I wonder why mine stops @ 83 tracks?

My Geekbench Single: 5939 Multi: 25533
This is with OSX 10.14.5 and Logic 10.4.5
Old 17th June 2019
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As I've seen results here with the new Mac Mini (32GB RAM) going as much as 91 tracks, I wonder why mine stops @ 83 tracks?

My Geekbench Single: 5939 Multi: 25533
This is with OSX 10.14.5 and Logic 10.4.5
That's still very good, some things to look at. Which version of Logic are you running? What size screen and resolution? Running test off an external drive?
Old 20th June 2019
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As I've seen results here with the new Mac Mini (32GB RAM) going as much as 91 tracks, I wonder why mine stops @ 83 tracks?

My Geekbench Single: 5939 Multi: 25533
This is with OSX 10.14.5 and Logic 10.4.5
It’s throttled depending on CPU temp, a friend of mine is having a nightmare with his, it keeps slowing down.

I thought the point of 10.4.5 was it was faster but it isn’t, it simply plays more tracks. Some performances are better however, thank god, Logic is so slow at times. I’ve seen some very weird stuff however with 10.4.5, it feels a bit buggy.
Old 25th June 2019
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Sorry guys and gals, haven't checked out this topic or even looked at the test in months.. had family deaths, and much more sadly.. Have kind of had a musical break but will get back into it shortly.. Anyway will give it all read this weekend and see if there's anything I need to adjust.
Old 25th June 2019
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Sorry guys and gals, haven't checked out this topic or even looked at the test in months.. had family deaths, and much more sadly.. Have kind of had a musical break but will get back into it shortly.. Anyway will give it all read this weekend and see if there's anything I need to adjust.
No worries mate, sorry for your losses. take care
Old 26th June 2019
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81 tracks for me on my 2018 Mac mini, 3.2 i7 with 64GB ram, 1TB 128 buffer, medium, 44.1, clarett 8 PreX

Only slightly disappointed considering the newer MBPs are scary close to what the MM is doing, and you don’t need to get an external graphics card.

I did have power gadget open to see thermals and Processor numbers. Around 65-70 tracks the processor stops going above 4.0 GHz as the temp hits 100. From there on up it stayed between 3.4-3.8 GHz and rarely dropped to 3.2 with the temp sitting between 95-98. Fans are loud, but not as loud as my 2015 MBP Pro.

At 79-80 tracks I could open the plugin windows, resize, etc. with no system overload. I opened activity monitor during one of the tests and Ram usage was below 10GB for me.
Old 6th July 2019
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I am in between computers and got a maxed out mini coming finally. Anyways, thought it would be fun to run the benchmark on my temporary (pos) computer.

MBP 13" 2017. 2.3 i5. 8gb ram.
Internal audio and 128 buffer.

Could run 19 tracks without overloads, but everything was really unresponsive.

There will be loads of freezing, printing and committing until next week at least

Last edited by J.Beatnik; 6th July 2019 at 07:56 AM.. Reason: Left out some info
Old 6th July 2019
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Very interesting logic test.

Another interesting aspect to comment should be the room temperature when the test was performed.

I currently have 35º C in my room and the ambient sensor of my iMac shows a temperature of 45º C. Outside we have these weeks between 42º C and 46º C. I don't have A/C in my recording studio because of the noise (but with the climate change I will consider buying one and using Izotope RX to eliminate the noise afterwards.

Taking into account these infernal temperature conditions, my test results were the following:

Machine: iMac 5K 2019 i9 9900K Vega 48 40GB RAM 512GB SSD, audio interface Emu 0404 USB 2.0 with non official OSX driver, not created specificallyfor audio production but for audiophiles (it is the only way to use this old USB 2.0 audio interface on OSX Mojave).

Logic X 10.2.2. 44.1kHz 128ms buffer (as default)

141 tracks playing various loop cycles endlessly.

165 tracks only for 1 cycle and then overloading randomly every x cycles.

The fan remained dead silent during the tests (which is amazing).

If I use a bigger buffer I can reach more tracks.

I will repeat the test in Winter, when we have -15ºC outside to see if the temperatures have influence on the results, with 20 degrees less inside . I think that room temperatures are limiting the cooling overhead capacity of my system and limiting the number of tracks that the iMac could manage. But I am happy with the results. I use very demanding plug-ins (diva, serum, reaktor, bazille, etc.) and this system is ideal for them. Also the version Logic X 10.2.2 I am using could be a little outdated (2016) and not extracting the full juice from the processor.

This is the real performance in proper conditions of the system benchmarked by the barefeats site (using the other Logic test) which I also replicated sucessfully in my machine:

https://barefeats.com/imac-2019-i9-versus-imac-pro.html
Old 8th July 2019
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I was especting more from my hackintosh due to fastest clock cores.
If I remember well in Evan's benchmark the 8700K has some better results than the xeons of the Mac Pros cheesgraters 5.1. In this test appear that are quite similar.
Just did a test with my 9900k Hackintosh.
i9 9900k, Gigabyte Z390 Designare, 64 GB RAM.

152 tracks, 128 Buffer, Metric Halo ULN-2 3D.
Logic 10.4.5, macOS High Sierra 10.13.6

I haven't tried using the internal audio yet. I also don't know if that's the absolute limit of the machine yet... Right now I have it overclocked to 4.7 Ghz. It's been completely stable, until running this test


Once I got to 152 tracks the machine locked up. Looks like I need to bump my voltage up, not surprised since I didn't Prime95 the machine.. Anyway if I eek out a few more tracks once its stable I'll post back what the actual cutoff I get is...

Anyway just goes to show this really is a true to life CPU torture test for audio... Istat Menus showed 80% CPU on all cores and the CPU was running hotter than anything I'd seen previously...

As far as how these numbers play out in terms of Virtual instruments:
I was able to get a 150 Kontkat instances simultaneously playing back midi. CPU only showed about 30-35% and Logic's CPU meter showed tons of headroom. The libraries were pretty typical stuff with a reasonable CPU footprint... Novo/Forzo, Spitfire, 8Dio, etc..

Once I have have a chance to see what the kontakt limit is I'll post back as it would be interesting to see how this test correlates to a common VI like Kontakt...
Old 9th July 2019
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Just did a test with my 9900k Hackintosh.
i9 9900k, Gigabyte Z390 Designare, 64 GB RAM.

152 tracks, 128 Buffer, Metric Halo ULN-2 3D.
Logic 10.4.5, macOS High Sierra 10.13.6

I haven't tried using the internal audio yet. I also don't know if that's the absolute limit of the machine yet... Right now I have it overclocked to 4.7 Ghz. It's been completely stable, until running this test


Once I got to 152 tracks the machine locked up. Looks like I need to bump my voltage up, not surprised since I didn't Prime95 the machine.. Anyway if I eek out a few more tracks once its stable I'll post back what the actual cutoff I get is...

Anyway just goes to show this really is a true to life CPU torture test for audio... Istat Menus showed 80% CPU on all cores and the CPU was running hotter than anything I'd seen previously...

As far as how these numbers play out in terms of Virtual instruments:
I was able to get a 150 Kontkat instances simultaneously playing back midi. CPU only showed about 30-35% and Logic's CPU meter showed tons of headroom. The libraries were pretty typical stuff with a reasonable CPU footprint... Novo/Forzo, Spitfire, 8Dio, etc..

Once I have have a chance to see what the kontakt limit is I'll post back as it would be interesting to see how this test correlates to a common VI like Kontakt...
I am sure your machine should score better, maybe some tweaks in BIOS. My i7-7820x is almost the same chip according to spec and optimization
Old 10th July 2019
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Just did a quick test with LPX 10.4.6. 69 tracks with a MBP 2018 i7 2.2 (O/S 10.13.6, 32GB, 1TB). That's similar, but slightly lower than with LPX 10.4.1, when I managed 72 tracks. Probably within the margin of error given fluctuating temps and when I last rebooted the machine.
Old 14th July 2019
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I am sure your machine should score better, maybe some tweaks in BIOS. My i7-7820x is almost the same chip according to spec and optimization
Definitely not my BIOS. Not only did I follow the guide for my MOBO to the letter, each tweak I tried outside of overclocking resulted in either failing to boot or issues with peripherals or macOS... Also XMP is set to profile 1...

One thing that may very well have been happening was I noticed that spotlight was indexing pretty heavily after I posted. I'd added a ton of new files and activity monitor showed mds stores and mdworker using a pretty hefty amount of CPU... Will see what happens when I try it with spotlight idling between 0 and 1%.

Are you running an all core overclock on your machine? Mine's just a 'vanilla' overclock, didn't try messing with all core settings yet... (1st time overclocking a machine so still kind of green in that department...
Old 15th July 2019
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I am testing out a Refurb 2019 iMac i9, 580X, 1TB SSD, with 32GB 2400 RAM (borrowed from my 2017 machine) added to the 8G it came with. I am only using the built in audio and getting like 115 tracks at 44.1kHz any buffer from 128 to 1024. The CPU is full on except the last core and fans are going strong This seems to be far less than others with similar machines are getting. Any thoughts?

I want to make sure all is right with the machine before the 2 week return period runs out...

LPX Benchmark
i5 3.8GHz 8G ram, 1TB SSD 580
Built in Output 128 med buffer
44.1kHz 38 tracks 4GHz 80degC 1299 rpm
96kHz 15 tracks 4GHz 80degC 1200 rpm

i9 3.6GHz 40G ram, 1TB SSD 580X
Built in Output 128 med buffer
44.1kHz 117 tracks 3.9GHz 94degC 1800 rom
96kHz 45 tracks 4GHz 94degC 1700 rpm

Last edited by ProPower; 16th July 2019 at 04:21 AM..
Old 17th July 2019
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Hackintosh
5960X 8-Core overclocked to 4.5GHz
32GB DDR4 3200

MacOS 10.13.6

Logic Pro X 10.4.6
Medium, 128

All 128 tracks @ 44.1
Logic uses 1274% (out of 1600% total) CPU usage (CPU is about 4/5 utilized overall or 80%)
This fluctuates as high as 1366%

The CPU gets hot AF though. (78c) I may need to do some maintenance on the case. My CPU is water cooled, but the radiator is a bit dusty and the thermal paste could probably use a re-apply.
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Old 19th July 2019
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i8086k 6 core 4,3 GHz
16 Gb RAM
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NVidia 1050
NI Komplete Audio 6 at 128 Samples, process buffer medium

44,1 - 102 tracks
96 - 36 tracks
Old 20th July 2019
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I am sure your machine should score better, maybe some tweaks in BIOS. My i7-7820x is almost the same chip according to spec and optimization
I can't get past 155 tracks. It's my first Hac though so any suggestions? Also what version of Logic and macOS are you running, and I'm assuming your buffer's 128?
Old 20th July 2019
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I can't get past 155 tracks. It's my first Hac though so any suggestions? Also what version of Logic and macOS are you running, and I'm assuming your buffer's 128?
The test from today:

Logic Pro X 10.4.4
Latency: 128 samples
Buffer: Medium
No. of Tracks: 191
OSX 10.13.5
Device: Behringer UMC204HD
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Old 20th July 2019
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curious what your score is now Logic 10.4.5 fixed some CPU problems.
Yep.. really curious too what 2019 MBP 8 core is getting with newest LPX and macOS.

And using the advised 128 & 44.1

Hoping it's something approaching 90.
Old 20th July 2019
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I have the 8 core model and got 66 tracks.
Have you re-tested your 2019 8-core MBP using latest Logic Pro 10.4.6?

And at 44.1 and 128 Buffer?

Really curious how it compares to my 2018 i9 MBP 6-core... I'm getting 76 tracks.
Old 13th August 2019
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Interesting news. I just did the test with the 2019 mbp i9 2.4ghz and I get :
94 tracks at 44.1, 128 buffer setting. I think this is not bad for a laptop. But the fan ramps up loudly!
Old 14th August 2019
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Interesting news. I just did the test with the 2019 mbp i9 2.4ghz and I get :
94 tracks at 44.1, 128 buffer setting. I think this is not bad for a laptop. But the fan ramps up loudly!
An impressive number. Thanks for sharing.
Old 1st September 2019
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Just got a new 2019 MBP 2.3 8core 32G Ram

Was able to run 94 tracks at preloaded 44.1 with internal sound and 97 tracks using a focusrite Safire pro 40
Also ran 35 tracks at 96K

when I say run I mean complete multiple passes of audio without glitch of any kind.

I moved up from my super trusty 2012 I5 dual core MBP with 16G ram and a SSD. I did not run the new test on it, no real need I new its limits.
Old 1st September 2019
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As I've seen results here with the new Mac Mini (32GB RAM) going as much as 91 tracks, I wonder why mine stops @ 83 tracks?

My Geekbench Single: 5939 Multi: 25533
This is with OSX 10.14.5 and Logic 10.4.5
I'm curious to know how other's machines score on Geekbench as well as number of tracks. I'm wondering how close the correlation is.

With all of the updates that have come out, I'll need to rerun the test.
Old 5th September 2019
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I am testing out a Refurb 2019 iMac i9, 580X, 1TB SSD, with 32GB 2400 RAM (borrowed from my 2017 machine) added to the 8G it came with. I am only using the built in audio and getting like 115 tracks at 44.1kHz any buffer from 128 to 1024. The CPU is full on except the last core and fans are going strong This seems to be far less than others with similar machines are getting. Any thoughts?

I want to make sure all is right with the machine before the 2 week return period runs out...

LPX Benchmark
i5 3.8GHz 8G ram, 1TB SSD 580
Built in Output 128 med buffer
44.1kHz 38 tracks 4GHz 80degC 1299 rpm
96kHz 15 tracks 4GHz 80degC 1200 rpm

i9 3.6GHz 40G ram, 1TB SSD 580X
Built in Output 128 med buffer
44.1kHz 117 tracks 3.9GHz 94degC 1800 rom
96kHz 45 tracks 4GHz 94degC 1700 rpm
The main differences that I see with my iMac (which unfortunately recently died due to a manufacturing defect and was returned to Apple for a full refund) is the Vega 48 vs 580x GPUs and the 2666 vs 2400 RAM speed, apart from this, the room temperature and the audio interface (mine is EMU 0404 USB with custom drivers) could play a role. My iMac i9 computer stayed cooler than yours during the tests, 83º to 86ºC approx. (maybe the Vega 48 is cooler than the 580X and as there is only one common heatsink and fan this would be the difference, I do not know).
Old 9th September 2019
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Hi Sam
I Just ran the test on a similar i9 Mac with Vega 48 and I got about 130 tracks at 44,1 128 buffer settings. This is the same for an RME or the onboard soundcard. I wonder why your machine would score better to such an extent. The machine I have otherwise scores really good on cpu benchmarks (eg cinebench which is good in measuring realworld cpu perf.) so I presume the bottleneck is not due to this particualr CPU. Did you try the test also with the onboard audio to rule out the audio driver? Or are there certain settings in Logic which were different in your setup?

Would be great also if other imac i9 users could join in to do the test...

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The main differences that I see with my iMac (which unfortunately recently died due to a manufacturing defect and was returned to Apple for a full refund) is the Vega 48 vs 580x GPUs and the 2666 vs 2400 RAM speed, apart from this, the room temperature and the audio interface (mine is EMU 0404 USB with custom drivers) could play a role. My iMac i9 computer stayed cooler than yours during the tests, 83º to 86ºC approx. (maybe the Vega 48 is cooler than the 580X and as there is only one common heatsink and fan this would be the difference, I do not know).
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Hi Sam
I Just ran the test on a similar i9 Mac with Vega 48 and I got about 130 tracks at 44,1 128 buffer settings. This is the same for an RME or the onboard soundcard. I wonder why your machine would score better to such an extent. The machine I have otherwise scores really good on cpu benchmarks (eg cinebench which is good in measuring realworld cpu perf.) so I presume the bottleneck is not due to this particualr CPU. Did you try the test also with the onboard audio to rule out the audio driver? Or are there certain settings in Logic which were different in your setup?

Would be great also if other imac i9 users could join in to do the test...
When I did the tests I used an app that controls the fan speed to obtain the max performance out of the CPU by lowering the temperature and avoid thermal throttling as possible. I set the iMac fan speed to the maximum (2600 rom IIRC), this way I can increase the track count in Logic. The app is free, you can download it in the following link. I did not tested with the internal audio. But I am about to order a new i9 iMac again. I do not know yet if with Vega 48 or Radeon Pro 580X. How much RAM has your system and what RAM brand? (there are some brands faster than others).

https://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control

I also killed all the processes running in the background to increase the performance. The earlier Logic X versions gave me more tracks than the more recent ones in my iMac i9 system. So it is possible that the manufacturer has tunned the new versions of Logic in order for the iMac 2019 i9 not to compete in Logic with the iMac Pro (but I do not know if it this is exactly the case, of course). The biggest problem is that the iMac died after playing overnight to Fornite with auto settings and a summer long heatwave and no A/C in my country (room temperature 40-41ºC, yes I know, blame to the climate change). So I am wondering if a new iMac with the same specs would not fail again as the previous one due to poor thermal design and the high temperatures in this area of Europe in summer.

I hope that this helps.
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Thanks for the reply. It could be that older versions of Logic run more tracks. I have 40 gb of 2666 crucial ram, so probably this won’t be the bottleneck. Sorry to hear about yout Imac, but I would be cautious with ordering the 580x gpu, as it seems to be running hotter then the Vega 48 according to threads on macrumors. It could have an influence on the daw performance under stress.
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