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Old 1st November 2012
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Cadac Live1 opinions

Strange there is little mention around here. Anyone have any experience with the Cadac Live1?

Cadac Live 1 - Cadac Holdings Limited

The design includes direct outs, stereo channels, good selection of fx sends, group channels, 4 band with 2 mid sweep EQ's...

Its a fairly comprehensive feature list and well specified for various applications. How might it perform as a portable front end and mix summing solution for project studios? As a British sound is it likely better suited to rock'n'roll vibes or will it handle Hip Hop, Dance, Pop etc?

Not quite as many features but seems a fair competitor to the Audient ASP 4816. Cadac have a history in glamorous Live Theatre and their larger frame consoles are said to be awesome. These small siblings are supposed to heave the same sound quality... but we've heard that before. Might Cadac really have managed to pack the same magic into this smaller format?

Anyone know about the preamps or EQ's? Is this likely too be a clean and transparent or a colored board? Any idea if the they are punchy and fast enough for drum tracking? How might the pre's compare against the likes of the Audient 4816, D&R Vision, Midas, Venice, older small format Studer broadcast designs (962/962/089/169/189).

Any ideas anyone... not much online.

Cheers
Old 2nd November 2012
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I would be interested in any opinions as well.

Old 9th November 2012
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No Cadac Live1 users out there?
Old 12th November 2012
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I would be interested in any opinions as well.

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Old 22nd November 2012
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so this thing, at this price point (16 track about 5k) looks very promising for a sorely lacking quality small format price point.

sos review coming next month & a Cadac campaign to re-introduce to follow.
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Old 28th November 2012
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Hi all - I just joined up, so any questions feel free
Old 28th November 2012
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Hi all - I just joined up, so any questions feel free
Great to see you around here Ben. Welcome!
Ben is one of the good guys folks.

I'm looking forward to experiencing this board soon.
Old 2nd December 2012
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Hi Ben and welcome to the forum...

It's a shame there's not much of a current ad campaign as I have committed to a studer but hoped you might still be able to address some of the intrigues from the original post and comment on the sound compared to the clean old studer 961/962/963 sound.
Old 4th December 2012
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Hi Ben and welcome to the forum...

It's a shame there's not much of a current ad campaign as I have committed to a studer but hoped you might still be able to address some of the intrigues from the original post and comment on the sound compared to the clean old studer 961/962/963 sound.
I would be interested in this as well. Also I checked the website for US dealers and found 2 but one dealers site is down and the other I could not find any Cadac models (in particular the Live one). Do these US dealers still carry Cadac? If not do you have any suggestions for US dealers?

Thanks!
Old 8th December 2012
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interesting mixer - anyone using in a studio?

any transformers inside?
Old 9th December 2012
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So ok guys,
what I can say at this time is I should have one is 7-10 days to check out.

If all goes well, I'll potentially be helping a Philly music store (in mostly a consultant role) develop a "limited pro audio presence" in their buisness and will be a dealer for Cadac.
Been talking with the good folks at lift distro. about it.

If this is cool sonically, functionality wise & workflow wise as it seems... Then at its price point it will be very tough to beat. Hell, not much more than fancy summing boxes & comes w/ the Cadac history of quality.

Oh, and no on the transformers. More of a headroom / solid bottom board.
I personlly would look to busses for tube & transformer duties in this specific case.
Old 11th December 2012
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So ok guys,
what I can say at this time is I should have one is 7-10 days to check out.

If all goes well, I'll potentially be helping a Philly music store (in mostly a consultant role) develop a "limited pro audio presence" in their buisness and will be a dealer for Cadac.
Been talking with the good folks at lift distro. about it.
Hey Chet, I am interested in this as well, I have been looking for a small vintage mixer...this could be a good choice. I'm a few hours away, please keep us updated.
Old 11th December 2012
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Interested also.
Old 19th December 2012
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Hi all,

sorry for the slow response...I haven't received any notification of replies...I'll have to check my settings

To answer a few of your questions:

New ad campaign starting in the new year. Just finalised the budget for the USA. You'll also find a Sound On Sound review of the LIVE1 published tomorrow.

I've been in direct contact with Chet, and I can see he's answered most of your questions already. Cheers Chet!

A note regarding our two USA distributors:

LIFT Distribution (Seattle) - These are the guys that cover the entire USA, and offer everything we manufacture. We've just started to work with them. If you have any questions regarding CADAC consoles please feel free to contact them. They are good people to deal with.

RF Pro (NY) are a large scale tour sound, and Broadway sound specialist. They deal only with large format consoles - primarily made to order analogue, and CDC8 (when available).


In regards to a/b testing against the Studer, this is something I haven't done personally. But rest assured, the LIVE1 maybe cheap for a CADAC, but it sounds every bit like you would expect a CADAC console to sound

Feel free to ask any more questions, and I'll do my best to answer.

Cheers,

Ben @ CADAC
Old 8th January 2013
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I have a different kinda hooking up in mind than most youngsters but thwarted by a damn flu.

test drive coming...
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Old 10th January 2013
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Hope you feel better soon and looking forwards to hearing your thoughts. Thanks!
Old 10th January 2013
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Spent the last five years on a 1973 Cadac console - I wouldn't know about the new offerings, but when our console worked, it worked like a dream and sounded like no other I've worked on. It was extremely well built, but all class a, discrete consoles require a certain amount of maintenance that we simply couldn't provide. Oh well. Now we're in the process of "downgrading" to a slightly more modern console. I just hope I won't live to regret it.
Old 11th January 2013
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Took delivery of a 16 channel LIVE 1.
Sound is beautiful. Very analog and sweet. It's new here so more impressions after it is integrated in to our set up here.

LIFT Distribution in Seattle area hooked me up.
Old 20th January 2013
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Also interested in this but for studio use, opinions welcome. How good are the pres and eq etc

thanks
Old 29th January 2013
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Updating for those that have asked...
I'm really enjoying this board as a solution for my SFC needs.
I remain convinced that nothing new in its price range offers as much quality.

So as has been said, the lack of a studio-friendly & extensive monitoring section might be a consideration for some w/ more elaborate monitoring needs.
That said, after spending time w/ live1 & getting my head around it further (w/ the help of Plush & its designer Nick @ Cadac) it can work and work well... At least in situations similar to mine.

For straight forward tracking and Mixing needs...
Tracking accomplished via its XLR main outs to ADC & Monitoring via its Monitor outs.
One simply has to use the boards AFL mode part of the Monitoring section.
ie; For tracking: assign the Master buss to the AFL and then...
At the mixing stage: unassigned the Master buss & Assign one of the Stereo returns that's accepting your balanced stereo return from the DAC.
...Done.

In doing so you can then hear your mix post conversion to the DAW and post DAC conversion back to the board. All the while not obstructing the signal flow out the master section (w hardware on Master inserts or groups etc) that's being captured on a Stereo DAW track.

Hope that clears up some concern about incorporating what in essence is a live board design (albeit a quality one!) into a studio with similar & limited monitoring needs.

Having fun w/ this thing!
Old 29th January 2013
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Took delivery of a 16 channel LIVE 1.
Sound is beautiful. Very analog and sweet. It's new here so more impressions after it is integrated in to our set up here.

LIFT Distribution in Seattle area hooked me up.
would this be an upgrade from a midace venice 160?
Old 31st January 2013
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would this be an upgrade from a midace venice 160?
The LIVE1 would be an upgrade...

I've been told by numerous customers who have A/B'd the LIVE1 against the Venice that the difference is night and day.
Old 1st February 2013
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The LIVE1 would be an upgrade...

I've been told by numerous customers who have A/B'd the LIVE1 against the Venice that the difference is night and day.
This sounds great, but if that's true I'd expect the Live1 to sound like a vintage Neve console! I wouldn't doubt it is better, but in what way? I'd like to hear more specifics than just night and day.
Old 18th February 2013
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Took delivery of a 16 channel LIVE 1.
Sound is beautiful. Very analog and sweet. It's new here so more impressions after it is integrated in to our set up here.

LIFT Distribution in Seattle area hooked me up.
hey Plush !
does the sound come close from you 5432 or studer 962 that you had ?
Old 18th February 2013
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I have a different kinda hooking up in mind than most youngsters but thwarted by a damn flu.

test drive coming...
Chet If it's 8th street I'm down
Peace
Old 18th February 2013
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hey Plush !
does the sound come close from you 5432 or studer 962 that you had ?
Thank you for asking. The new console is offering what I can only describe as a sweet analog sound. The Neve in comparison is more wooly and with slower sounding transients. Often this is highly desirable.

The CADAC console is cleaner and with an organic and extended top end that sounds never harsh. The CADAC offers, for lack of better words, "an expensive sound." To me this means refined and elegant with great retrieval of detail. CADAC has a lot of dynamic range and mic amps are very good.

CADAC has the qualities of a modern transformerless console with a classy British heritage sound.

Does the above sound like marketing speak? Well, I am trying to place thus new console in context with other classy CADAC consoles and English consoles in general. I like it a lot and much better than Studer sound. The console is easily transported, which also matters here to me.

I would never sell the Neve. The CADAC is the partner to it that I have been looking for.

Atelier HudSonic, Chicago
Old 19th February 2013
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It's officially hooked up

First LIVE1 consoles in USA - Cadac Holdings Limited

It's indeed a classy small studio solution as well as live board option. As Hudson has articulated well already ...the mic amps, eq, the analog quality...she's pretty darn solid.
I've been enjoying the headroom and low noise floor combined w/ the effectiveness of inserting some transformers &/or tubes on some busses and enjoying the whole darn process, workflow, smooth faders, solid feel etc. my room has just become more fun.
Old 19th February 2013
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It's officially hooked up

First LIVE1 consoles in USA - Cadac Holdings Limited

It's indeed a classy small studio solution as well as live board option. As Hudson has articulated well already ...the mic amps, eq, the analog quality...she's pretty darn solid.
I've been enjoying the headroom and low noise floor combined w/ the effectiveness of inserting some transformers &/or tubes on some busses and enjoying the whole darn process, workflow, smooth faders, solid feel etc. my room has just become more fun.
I'm liking this board compared to my midace venice 160. Thing is, it's still a live board and using the mic pre's for recording and monitoring the playback tracks doesn't work (16 channel version)without repatching or other shenanigans....
Old 19th February 2013
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I'm liking this board compared to my midace venice 160. Thing is, it's still a live board and using the mic pre's for recording and monitoring the playback tracks doesn't work (16 channel version)without repatching or other shenanigans....
I've been overdubbing via some external tube pres recently but, as far as using the desk pres & monitoring playback during tracking, have you tried using the AFL mode + monitor outs & assigning your stereo playback return to AFL ?
Old 19th February 2013
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I've been overdubbing via some external tube pres recently but, as far as using the desk pres & monitoring playback during tracking, have you tried using the AFL mode + monitor outs & assigning your stereo playback return to AFL ?
So I send everything to the monitor outs and then bring that back into where? I'm not getting this from what you are saying. I need to monitor the monitor outs, I get that. I could bring that stereo pair back into the tape return, and monitor the tape return on the speaker outs.

If you are saying something different let me know...thanks.
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