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Anyone using the Midas Venice?
Old 25th September 2004
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Anyone using the Midas Venice?

How are the pre's? Eq? Summing? What kind of aplications are you using it for, recording, live sound, mixing? Thanks
Old 1st October 2004
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I'd like to hear some opinions too.

We're about to get a Venice for live work, but I'm wondering how they stack up in the studio..... for tracking purposes only.
How good are the pres and the eq?
I'm hoping it will be good enough for tracking drums and maybe guitars.
Old 1st October 2004
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Sure hope someone replies, I'm really interested myself on how the Venice stacks up against other summing mixers, as well as other good studio mixers with regards to it's eq, preamps and overall sound quality.

Everything I've heard so far on the Venice has been outstanding news, but it's all been mainly from people working in the live arena, a studio perspective would be great.
Old 1st October 2004
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I've been using a Venice (first a 240, then 240+160, then 320+160) for 2+ years as a summing mixer in my studio. I loved it so much that when Midas created a larger unit, the Verona, I upgraded straight to that.

I really think that if the Venice has the ins and outs that you need, you won't find a better mixer for less than 4x the price.
Old 2nd October 2004
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Thanks Clueless, so how are you liking the Verona. I have been eying them up as well.
Old 3rd October 2004
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I love Love LOVE the Verona! I love having variable HPF on every mono channel. I love having variable shelving. For once, I'm growing into my console instead of growing out of it.

Do I lust for an H1000? Of course I do--I'm a Gear Slut! But the Verona makes me quite happy (and aware) of all the other components in my system.

N.B. If you do go for a Verona, make sure that you put feet on it before sliding it across any surface you care about. My mix table is solid oak, and I put several long, deep scratches into it before I realized that at the bottom of the Verona are screw heads, not rubber.
Old 3rd October 2004
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There are a few thread on the Midas Venice...

Do a seach and you will find a boat load of information.
Old 3rd October 2004
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Ah yes the search button, you know I should use it more often than I do but lazyness is becoming more and more part of our culture...
Old 30th June 2005
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midas venice eq

Howdy,

Just curious...I've done searches here and have come to the conclusion that the venice mixers are nice. Not SSL, but nice.

How are the eq's? I'm thinking of getting the eight channel for DAW summing/mixing...and I'm wondering if I can justify it. Honestly, I'm ok mixing ITB...I use metric halo channel strip most of the time...waves ren. eq other times. How would the Venice hold up to these?

Also, I assume the pres are wire-with-gain type, yeah? Clean...detailed...maybe like a sytek or something?

Thanks so much!

kelly
Old 30th June 2005
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Hey Kelly,

I have a Metric Halo 2882 soundcard, and when I was shopping around for soundcards I tried out the MH Channelstrip plug-in just to see if I could justify the extra money for a MH 2882 + DSP. After giving it some serious use my most honest opinion is that Midas EQ, coupled with RNC compression, blows the Channelstrip plugin right out the water.

I'm sure you know it better but I personally found the Channelstrip a little trying to get the results I wanted from it, and the sound, though warm for a plugin, was a tad 'mushy' in a digital sense.

I have the 8 channel Midas (16 channels really) and an 8 channel soundcard.

My mixes all tend to look like this in terms of channels on the Midas...

9 + 10 (stereo channel) everything not included below.

1, kick
2, snare
3, hats
4, bass
5, main hook 1
6, main hook 2

I also blend my synths on channels 7, 8 and the other stereo channels with this arrangement from time to time.

Chances are that if you have lots of outboard already, and are happy using plugins for the rest, then the best option for you is to buy a high quality summing box and to just run things through your outboard. I don't have a lot of outboard and I didn't want to spend huge amounts on getting 'em, also I don't personally get the depth, bounce and full texture that I want for my music from plug-in compression and eq so I have to go analogue one way or another. I'm not ready for digital mixers and all the reports say that Mackies and Soundcrafts will compromise your sound fairly significantly.

So basically the Midas was the perfect choice for me.

Now I get solid eq on every channel, it's very aggressive eq, but I've learnt to apply it in tasteful amounts. I don't have to buy 8 outboard eq's. Also, though I've never owned a standalone summing box, the Midas seems to do just fine, no complaints. Also, I can route things through my Ensoniq reverb plus I'm adding outboard compressors as I can afford to. The desk sounds very decent with no obvious degredation of the signals occouring at all (no ultra signal enhancement like a high end console happening either though I guess). So all in all right now I'm quite content with my purchases and pulling a sound that I actually really like and I personally know for a fat that I wouldn't be able to pull off ITB alone (Note: I mostly do hip-hop, downtempo, chillout, house and d'n'b kinda stuff, drum sounds are very important for what I do, vocals and live instruments not really so much yet).

Comparing it with SSL mixes I still can't get the SSL compression sound obviously and there is a kind of full smoothness, focus and clarity to sounds mixed on SSL that I still can't achieve but all in all, for a whole lot less money, I'm doing quite ok.

Something that you might want to do to really be sure is to hire a Midas of some kind of a weekend, there are places in most major cities that will do this. Do a whole bunch of A/B comparisons and see what you personally think, to me it sounds like a Midas would be perfect to take your mixes up another (quite significant) notch, but that's just me though, and I'm biased because I have a Midas and I'm very happy with it.

Anyway, best of luck..
Old 30th June 2005
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Wow...thanks for the great post! That's exactly the kind of review I'm not looking for $. Thing is, there's a pretty great deal on one relatively closeby, and I just got some cash.

The most appealing thing about the midas right off the bat are the chosen eq points...they're right where I do most of my tweaking, anyway. I have yet to read a bad review of the overall sound quality of the board.

Again, thanks...I'm going to post a "help me spend money thread" and then go from there!

Seriously, thanks for the great opinion.

kb
Old 30th June 2005
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Alternative to summing boxes

Nice threat. To me the Midas seems to be an interesting alternative to summing boxes. Recently there was a comparison-threat of the Venice and SPL Mixdream, which the Venice won easily.

I´m still in the process of making a decision what to get. I only know that I need a mixbus with more balls to it. Right now I use some nice outboard in combination with the PT HD-mixbus, which tends to flatten the round bass I get from my Massive Passive.

To have a lot of pres and eq onboard isn´t a bad thing after all. You can still use your exquisite outboard for tracks that really need that kind of attention or in an overdub situation. The compact size is comforting as well.

Can you guys think of another mixer that´s in the same ballpark as the Venice in terms of value for money ?

Regards, Bill
Old 17th December 2006
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Midas Venice Series Levels Test

Since I sit with a Midas Venice 320 in front of me a lot of the time I thought that I'd do a test and see what the output levels were when a channel was fed with 1 Khz @ 0db (+4)

If I feed the channel #1 line input with a LoftTech tone generator producing a 1 kHz tone at +4db I get these reults:

Channel Gain set to "0" (this is the LINE INPUT SCALE)
With the fader of the input channel at "0" and the master fader at "0" I get a +4 output signal. This shows that the console pretty much has unity gain from the channel input to the master output. The output LEDs are fairly accurate, too.

At the SUB GROUP OUTPUTS I get +3 db which is a loss of 1 db.
At the #1 channel DIRECT OUT I get a level of +6 db or a gain of 2 db
At the #1 channel INSERT OUT I get a level of +5.2 db or a gain of 1.2 db

If I feed the channel INPUT and adjust the DIRECT OUTPUT level to read +4 db with the line gain knoob I get a level of 3.2 db at the INSERT OUTPUT. This is consistent with the levels above.

So... the channel's INSERT LEVEL is .8 db down from the channel's input level.

Not bad and not an un-common thing with consoles.
This is prett decent gain staging.

Danny Brown
Old 17th December 2006
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Danny,
Good data. I'm loving mine for live applications. Would it be possible to test the noise levels on the internal power supply vs. the external? I'm thinking of using it in the studio.
Old 18th December 2006
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You know.... the external supply to ours sits under my desk in the office.
I have never thought about using it until you mentioned it!

I have no issues with noise and I have listened in some SERIOUSLY good monitoring environments, too.
I have listened to my mixes done on a Midas in some world class rooms.

I need to drag that external P.S. home!

DB
Old 16th June 2007
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Nice threat. To me the Midas seems to be an interesting alternative to summing boxes. Recently there was a comparison-threat of the Venice and SPL Mixdream, which the Venice won easily ...
Regards, Bill
I don't know how old this post is but I stumbled across it googling something else altogether. You kidding me? Besides the 'ill famed' Heritage product line, upper end XL Midas mixers squash anything out there in the pro audio market PERIOD in terms of preamps, peq etc., barring very surgical OTB Mastering EQ that is hardly necessary most of the time if you tracked and mixed down on a quality desk to start with.

I mean, hey folks, to borrow an 80s computer geek term, yeah all the plugs and software mixers are all "Elegant' [whateverthefukkthatevermeant] in computer geekspeak, but really hey now, c'mon folks, reality here in the 21st century, older will always still be gooder. The ears always remind me so.

Hey I have a lot of that automation and software stuff now. It just isn't that audio real though. It’s close. It’s fun to play with. It’s fun to be a NASA rocketscientist audio engineer with. It’s fun to have so many choices. It’s fun to be sitting in front of a computer LED for hours on end staring at all the colors and routings and this and that and everythingelse (NOT). But what it is NOT is artistic or inspirational. It’s mechanical and it’s uninspirational and that’s a fact Jack.

Know what? Four or five decent compressors, high end pres built into a clean +4 mixer with tape outs and the usual strip routing bells and whistles, a good mic collection, a nice external MDM (Radar, Alesis whatever) to record to native to then mix to another MDM set, and you just became liberated from being a slave of ANY company’s CPU and its limitations and the limitations of the architectural structure that a software designer redefined your life into, instead of you defining the environment in which you live and work. Hey are you a cubase/nuendo persona or a digi persona? A digital perfomer persona? No? Maybe a logic persona? Are you defined by your tools at cocktail parties? Audio porn star camps lol.

Instead of arguing ‘dollars and cents’ and I must have one of everything as affordable as humanly possible, think in terms of ‘creativity and sense,’ and more of all 52 flavors is not always the best and never necessary. Sometimes Chocolate, Vanilla, and Strawberry (a scoop each) is all we need, or maybe just a scoop of orange sherbet. Sometimes just a single scoop of pistachio, but at the end of the day it’s ALWAYS about quality and NEVER quantity.

There isn’t a single recording that has been made since the end of the golden age of classic rock age that will stand the test of time folks. The 15 mins of fame that each artist now enjoys goes down into the pit with the rest of the crap on the airwaves. Why is that? Why is it that anyday of the year you can listen to a cut off of Axis, or El Ladyland, or Derek & Layala and assorted lovesongs, or Tommy, or Zep I-n, or even drabby old Neil Young, or Van Halen and they still sound as fresh today as they did back when? Because it came from the heart – from both the artist and from the engineer. And the tools were simple and unconfounding. MIT not spoken … only talent and chops!

analog basics ,,, a punch is still just a punch and a kick is still just a kick

-- Ai Ki --

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Old 5th November 2007
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midas venice

How is midas venice for studio recording? I think it is built for live, but it could be well for studio? like Toft?
Old 5th November 2007
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venice

Hi, i know it as a live desk. A few problems might be that the auxes run pre eq and the direct outs are post eq, but under the frame is a switch for making it pre/post fade.
Old 6th November 2007
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Do a search, there is some good info on GS about this.
Old 6th November 2007
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I have mixed two CDs on Midas Venice series consoles.
One was mixed on a 240 and one on a 320.
They are identical consoles except the 320 has more input channels.

I was more than happy with the final result and I have had the fortune to mix on a lot of equipment over the years.
The mixes stand up well compared to work I have done on vintage Neves, SSL, Sphere, MCI, etc...

People who have heard the mixes have generally been amazed that I pulled them off on a small "live" console.
My proudest moment was istting atn 80 input SSL and listening on a pair of ADAM monitors while my Grammy nominated old friend asked me how I managed to get the sounds I did.

There are a few limitations when you work on a small format console, but most can be worked around with a bit of creativilty.

If I didn't score the MCI 538c that I am just now finishing restoration of I'd have bought a Venice 320.
Old 6th November 2007
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I use a Midas Venice for most of my input channels. I also use it for mixing. It has nice Mic pre's and EQ, decent routing. I use the direct outs into Pro Tools. I don't need use that many outboard effects so the smallish number of sends doesn't bother me. The only drawback I've noticed is there is no pad or phase reverse on any of the channels.
Old 10th August 2009
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that last post is so nice to read!

glad i stumbled upon it...
Old 4 weeks ago
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sorry to revive such an old thread but i just got one and couldn’t be much happier about it.

however, i have a couple questions as i’ve never really had such a big board or anything with with an advanced feature-set. im looking for any advice for routing. i plan on using it for my home studio. mostly making techno and using line level devices. i have an 8 in/out focusrite with abelton thats mostly used to capture audio. i would like to use the board for jamming, recording, and final mixdowns. any help or suggestions are super appreciated.
Old 4 weeks ago
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First of all, there is no reason to be sorry. IMO, there is no such thing as an old thread here on this forum! Unless the thread is closed, shall always be open for discussion!

I still have a couple of Midas Venice 320s myself. Haven't used them in a very long time, but I'm well versed in how to use them.

Perhaps, you can "bullet point" your questions so we can help you much more directly. Consider looking at the front and back of the mixer can come up with your questions and concerns. I will then be more than happy to go through each and every thing you have found and would like to cover.

I understand that you want to use it for your home studio for jamming, tracking and mixing, yet it would be awesome if you can ask specific questions.

That being said, Tell us a bit more about your home studio.
  • How many keys and synths are you using?
  • How many other musical instrument inputs do you have or plan to have?
  • Do you plan to use all eight Focusrite inputs and outputs?
  • How many band monitors will you be using when you are jamming or tracking?
  • Is anyone using headphones while jamming or tracking?
  • Will this be most live recording of a few musicians or more of an overdub situation or perhaps, both?

I have a few more question, but I bet you can come up with the exact stuff you need to address for us.

You got some homework! Looking forward to reading your observations.



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Originally Posted by acidtechno View Post
sorry to revive such an old thread but i just got one and couldn’t be much happier about it.

however, i have a couple questions as i’ve never really had such a big board or anything with with an advanced feature-set. im looking for any advice for routing. i plan on using it for my home studio. mostly making techno and using line level devices. i have an 8 in/out focusrite with abelton thats mostly used to capture audio. i would like to use the board for jamming, recording, and final mixdowns. any help or suggestions are super appreciated.
Old 4 weeks ago
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First of all, there is no reason to be sorry. IMO, there is no such thing as an old thread here on this forum! Unless the thread is closed, shall always be open for discussion!

I still have a couple of Midas Venice 320s myself. Haven't used them in a very long time, but I'm well versed in how to use them.

Perhaps, you can "bullet point" your questions so we can help you much more directly. Consider looking at the front and back of the mixer can come up with your questions and concerns. I will then be more than happy to go through each and every thing you have found and would like to cover.

I understand that you want to use it for your home studio for jamming, tracking and mixing, yet it would be awesome if you can ask specific questions.

That being said, Tell us a bit more about your home studio.
  • How many keys and synths are you using?
  • How many other musical instrument inputs do you have or plan to have?
  • Do you plan to use all eight Focusrite inputs and outputs?
  • How many band monitors will you be using when you are jamming or tracking?
  • Is anyone using headphones while jamming or tracking?
  • Will this be most live recording of a few musicians or more of an overdub situation or perhaps, both?

I have a few more question, but I bet you can come up with the exact stuff you need to address for us.

You got some homework! Looking forward to reading your observations.
Thanks for the fast and friendly response. To answer your questions:

•How many keys and synths are you using?
Here is what I currently have and definitely plan on using....Synths: Access Virus Ti2, Nord Lead 2, Roland SH-01a Drums: Elektron Analog Rythm, Machinedrum, Roland TR-08, TR-707. I have other ancillary synths and drum machines as well, but nothing that I plan on using exclusively. I have some outboard effects I’d like to utilize as well: Alesis Midiverb 2 (x2), Electrix Mo-Fx, and the Lexicon PCM70.

•How many other musical instrument inputs do you have or plan to have?
Im not sure tbh. Ideally as many as possible? But definitely trying to track the kicks, snares bass synths separately. im ok with making a sort of drum bus for hats.

•Do you plan to use all eight Focusrite inputs and outputs? Absolutely on the inputs. I usually like to record my drum machines and bass parts in one take, then do a second take with fills, pads, fx, etc. Id like to start getting more serious about trying to do proper mixdowns after everything is recorded and arranged so yes on the outputs too.

•How many band monitors will you be using when you are jamming or tracking? I have a pair of Adam T7Vs, nothing else.

•Is anyone using headphones while jamming or tracking? No, its just me and the monitors.

•Will this be most live recording of a few musicians or more of an overdub situation or perhaps, both?
Just me recording my machines solo and then overdubs when needed.

Ideally, I want to have as much hooked up as possible, but have it be flexible when I need to. I know an 8 bus mixer would have made my life a little easier. I really like that the channels direct outs are Post EQ so i’d like to take advantage of that feature.

Last edited by acidtechno; 4 weeks ago at 06:01 AM.. Reason: !
Old 4 weeks ago
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Before I get into this with you, I'd want to confirm that you have a Midas Venice 320 and not the newer Venice F32 and such.

You never stated the exact model number so, I want to be clear.

Hit me back with that clarification, then I will look at your answers and report back.

Also, please look at the back panel and the mixer itself so you can come up with questions to ask me about the connections and controls you may need clarification with.


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Thanks for the fast and friendly response. To answer your questions:

•How many keys and synths are you using?
Here is what I currently have and definitely plan on using....Synths: Access Virus Ti2, Nord Lead 2, Roland SH-01a Drums: Elektron Analog Rythm, Machinedrum, Roland TR-08, TR-707. I have other ancillary synths and drum machines as well, but nothing that I plan on using exclusively. I have some outboard effects I’d like to utilize as well: Alesis Midiverb 2 (x2), Electrix Mo-Fx, and the Lexicon PCM70.

•How many other musical instrument inputs do you have or plan to have?
Im not sure tbh. Ideally as many as possible? But definitely trying to track the kicks, snares bass synths separately. im ok with making a sort of drum bus for hats.

•Do you plan to use all eight Focusrite inputs and outputs? Absolutely on the inputs. I usually like to record my drum machines and bass parts in one take, then do a second take with fills, pads, fx, etc. Id like to start getting more serious about trying to do proper mixdowns after everything is recorded and arranged so yes on the outputs too.

•How many band monitors will you be using when you are jamming or tracking? I have a pair of Adam T7Vs, nothing else.

•Is anyone using headphones while jamming or tracking? No, its just me and the monitors.

•Will this be most live recording of a few musicians or more of an overdub situation or perhaps, both?
Just me recording my machines solo and then overdubs when needed.

Ideally, I want to have as much hooked up as possible, but have it be flexible when I need to. I know an 8 bus mixer would have made my life a little easier. I really like that the channels direct outs are Post EQ so i’d like to take advantage of that feature.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Before I get into this with you, I'd want to confirm that you have a Midas Venice 320 and not the newer Venice F32 and such.
Yes, the Venice 320.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Also, please look at the back panel and the mixer itself so you can come up with questions to ask me about the connections and controls you may need clarification with.
What are the differences between the FX send, aux send, and mon send?

For the sub groups if I want 1 channel assigned to Group 1 and 1 channel assigned to Group 2 would I hard pan them and then correspond them with the Group pan?

Im really confused about the actual monitoring. I do plan on using Abelton plug-in effects as well. Not sure if that makes a difference.
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Well, usually the FX send is post fader and used for send to an effects unit like reverb, or DDL or a flanger and such. The Aux send on that unit can be globally either pre or post fader so it can be used as an FX send or a Mon send. The Mon send is usually set to pre fader and is used for band monitors or a feed to an IEM setup.

Those four sub groups are mono busses. If you want to use them as a stereo buss you can take groups 1&2, hard pan them left & right, then feed whatever channels you want to that (now) stereo buss. Now, let me confuse you even further. You can actually get six group outputs by deselecting the groups from the stereo buss, then take the group outs individually on the back panel. Now, you can feed the stereo buss with a bunch of stereo pads or synths or create some sort of stereo mix of your machines, that's two channels; then the four group out can be four individual busses or two stereo busses or a stereo buss and two mono busses. You have a lot of flexibility there.

So, if I was going to set this up as you originally described, I would patch all my mono synths and machines up to 16 channels (01 to 16,) then dedicate the four stereo inputs (17 to 24) for up to four stereo synths or devices. Now, you got your left side of the mixer for all your "live" inputs, You can patch your outboard FX units to the four stereo aux returns and use the two FX and two Aux sends to feed your four outboard FX units. On the right side of the mixer you can patch your recorder (playback) outputs. I believe you said there were eight outputs. Well, you have eight inputs (25 to 32.)

In mix mode you could be playing back what you already recorded, and still add the "live" inputs (channels 01 to 16) and use the FX and Aux sends to treat all 32 channels. Kind of sweet, right?

The Abelton plug-in effects can be used as long as you route what you want where you want.

I attached a few images for your convenience.

Let me know if you any additional questions or concerns.


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What are the differences between the FX send, aux send, and mon send?

For the sub groups if I want 1 channel assigned to Group 1 and 1 channel assigned to Group 2 would I hard pan them and then correspond them with the Group pan?

Im really confused about the actual monitoring. I do plan on using Abelton plug-in effects as well. Not sure if that makes a difference.
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