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Gaffer's Tape
Old 4 weeks ago
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Gaffer's Tape

Is there any such thing as gaffer's tape that doesn't turn to white sticky, slimy ooze after a while?

Price is not really a factor.

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Nashua vs USA Gaffa are the quality contenders...one oozes and the other doesn't, after some time (months/heat)...I just don't recall which does which ? As for all other brands, suspect at best (and don't leave on for any length of time)

I'm sure there's a GS thread (or several) about this, maybe not in this particular forum...most likely in the live sound one ?
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Please confirm you are referring to real Gaffer's tape and not Duct or Duck tape. Duct tape and such usually leaves that sticky white residue. In my experience, real Gaffer's tape does not.
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Google "expendables Burbank" and call any of them. Those folks know about this stuff.
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Please confirm you are referring to real Gaffer's tape and not Duct or Duck tape. Duct tape and such usually leaves that sticky white residue. In my experience, real Gaffer's tape does not.
Is gaffer's tape typically the cloth/fabric-backed tape, that will tear predictably and reliably along the weave when you pull hard enough ? That's my understanding, whereas duct tape typically just stretches and stretches before tearing...and does so in anything but a predictable and linear fashion ! Awful stuff...but it has its uses....!
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We have had good luck with Shurtape https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Lots of companies are marketing DUCT tape as Gaffer's tape, buyer be ware.

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Pro-gaff on Amazon is fine. We use the 3" width.

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There's more than one kind of "good" gaffa. Some kinds will do a good job and leave the surface unsullied. Other kinds will be harder to unstick from itself on the roll, adhere to anything, hang on for dear life, and take the paint with it when you pull it up. Good to have both, good to know which is which.
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There's more than one kind of "good" gaffa. Some kinds will do a good job and leave the surface unsullied. Other kinds will be harder to unstick from itself on the roll, adhere to anything, hang on for dear life, and take the paint with it when you pull it up. Good to have both, good to know which is which.
lol - i remember watching two stage hands trying to get a gaffa (which was used to mount two pzm's on the lid of a piano for about a month) off the instrument - problems were that it was the wrong good gaffa and that it was a very large steinway or bösendorfer...
touring agency, band managment, sound engineer, sr rental company, backline company, venue manager and insurance companies went to court: i was told it took ages to settle things and costs were horrendous; not sure who paid for fixing the damage in the end.
whenever i get back to the venue, i come across folks who keep talking about the incident although it's been ca. 25 years by now - too bad no one remembers the brand of tape which was used: i'd buy a ton right away (but maybe not use it in this application)!

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lol - i remember watching two stage hands trying to get a gaffa (which was used to mount two pzm's on the lid) off a steinway...
My version of that nightmare involved a carpet in a US Senator's office.
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My version of that nightmare involved a carpet in a US Senator's office.
brilliant! - i guess the person responsible for this malheur got 'promoted' to a job in pyongyang or at least in ouagadougou?!
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brilliant! - i guess the person responsible for this malheur got 'promoted' to a job in pyongyang or at least in ouagadougou?!
My client was Roger Ailes (horrifying Google) and the Senator, up for re-election, was his client. The gaffa came from the production co., as did the First AD who handed it to me. No idea whether anyone wound up in Pyongyang (better than Missoula, where the Senator was from) but that tape got used in several spots in that office, and most of it was still there when we left. I seem to recall box cutters being used to free the cables and such.
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...too bad your client didn't get send to a remote island!
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...too bad your client didn't get send to a remote island!
Next best thing, I guess, is an orange jumpsuit. He was being fitted for one, but he went and died first.
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Early in my audio career I used some off brand gaffers tape and when I went to remove it the floor tiles it was stuck to also came up. Not what I wanted to have happen. The venue was cool and said that they were going to redo the floor anyways so I just hastened their timetable..WHEW~~~ I was doing a video remote with a production company and they were using some 3" gaffers tape to hold down some cables but when they left they just cut the cables out of the tape and left the tape stuck to the floor and walls. The venue was not happy and sent them a bill for $$$ to pay for the tape's removal. My motto is "if you put it down you take it up" but I guess some people don't follow that mantra. Oh well, gaffers tape is like the force. It has a dark side and a light side and holds the world together. Be safe!
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Please confirm you are referring to real Gaffer's tape and not Duct or Duck tape. Duct tape and such usually leaves that sticky white residue. In my experience, real Gaffer's tape does not.
Definitely Gaffer's Tape. I don't recall the brand name, but it is atrocious. It has "Fasten" printed all over the inner side of the hollow cardboard core. I do not see any other identification. Don't recall when I purchased it. I think from some Amazon vendor. It was definitely represented as gaff tape. (I am aware of the differences, and wouldn't buy anything else for my recording purposes.)

But, total yuck.

I made the error of using it (instead of those velcro cable wrap things) to contain some cables that I wrapped up after a gig some time ago. (They got to the bottom of my pile, and I haven't used them for over a year.) Got them out for a project and spent probably an hour with those coils of cable and "Goo-Be-Gone" solvent.

THen I found that roll, and the adhesive was even seeping out of the roll.

Double yuck.

DG


P.S. I apologize for the title. I can't even spell.

Last edited by dgpretzel; 4 weeks ago at 08:49 PM.. Reason: Add P.S.; fix spelling "roll".
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Nashua vs USA Gaffa are the quality contenders...one oozes and the other doesn't, after some time (months/heat)...I just don't recall which does which ? As for all other brands, suspect at best (and don't leave on for any length of time)

I'm sure there's a GS thread (or several) about this, maybe not in this particular forum...most likely in the live sound one ?

So... I gotta ask myself the question... "Do you feel lucky?"



DG
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Permacel has never let me down.
I'll check, of course, but isn't this the brand that was discontinued?

Has it been resurrected? (Or maybe I am mistaking it for another brand.)

DG
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I'll check, of course, but isn't this the brand that was discontinued?

Has it been resurrected? (Or maybe I am mistaking it for another brand.)

DG
I still have several rolls.

I guess you could google for it if ya want.
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Yeah, I've been there. What some folks say is Gaffer's tape is not actually the real stuff, or at least not the quality we expect.

Not everything from Amazon legit; some vendors are out-and-out frauds or borderline fraudulent. There's plenty of yuck (even double-yuck) and muck available on Amazon.

Monoprice (believe it or not) had (have) Velcro cable wraps and such that I really like.

Oh, BTW, I fixed your title typo.


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Definitely Gaffer's Tape. I don't recall the brand name, but it is atrocious. It has "Fasten" printed all over the inner side of the hollow cardboard core. I do not see any other identification. Don't recall when I purchased it. I think from some Amazon vendor. It was definitely represented as gaff tape. (I am aware of the differences, and wouldn't buy anything else for my recording purposes.)

But, total yuck.

I made the error of using it (instead of those velcro cable wrap things) to contain some cables that I wrapped up after a gig some time ago. (They got to the bottom of my pile, and I haven't used them for over a year.) Got them out for a project and spent probably an hour with those coils of cable and "Goo-Be-Gone" solvent.

THen I found that role, and the adhesive was even seeping out of the role.

Double yuck.

DG


P.S. I apologize for the title. I can't even spell.
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Oh, BTW, I fixed your title typo.
His "gaffe."
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his "gaffe."
lol



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What some folks say is Gaffer's tape is not actually the real stuff, or at least not the quality we expect.
To my knowledge, there is no actual legal definition for "Gaffer's Tape".

I guess you could go into court and claim that even masking tape would be a kind of tape that a professional gaffer might use in the course of work.
...So Caveat Emptor, I guess...
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B&H has "Permacel/Shurtape" #672 in stock. It's not cheap, $32/roll for 2" x 50 yards. I got a good deal on a whole bunch of it years ago and haven't run out yet
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It's not cheap
The good stuff never was.
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Pro-gaff on Amazon is fine. We use the 3" width.

D.
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All depends on how long you leave it though. Within a day or so this comes up nicely and easily without any residue. Leave it for a year or two though and you end up with a sticky, gooey mess like anything else.

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B&H has "Permacel/Shurtape" #672 in stock. It's not cheap, $32/roll for 2" x 50 yards. I got a good deal on a whole bunch of it years ago and haven't run out yet
"...years ago..."
and still not deteiorated into white goo? That's amazing. I'm buying some.

DG
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To my knowledge, there is no actual legal definition for "Gaffer's Tape".
Probably not. But there are perhaps some "generally accepted" definitions.

I come at this primarily from the video / lighting side (you know, actual gaffers). My understanding (for what little it's worth) is that real Gaffers' tape uses a different substrate then duct tape, and a different adhesive. Gaffers' take is supposedly made to be easier to tear to size (as opposed to cutting with a blade), and its adhesive is supposed to provide an easy and clean release leaving no residue (if you pull it off in a timely manner -- just a few days).

In contrast, duct tape was meant to seal HVAC duct work. Permanently. So the substrate was meant to be strong, and the adhesive meant to make a sticky and long lasting seal of hot duct joints. That's why most of the "good stuff" now includes a sheet of aluminum in the substrate -- to make a better air-tight seal.

I'm just sayin' that the two tapes are not interchangeable. And were never meant to be.

Personally, most of what I've used has been Shurtape's Gaffers' tape. Which isn't surprising since it's made (or used to be made) in beautiful Hickory NC a couple of hours from where I live. It was, of course, the most readily available because it was easy to stock. And it's always worked pretty well for me. Clearly, YMMV.

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