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Old 16th September 2019 | Show parent
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AFAIK the MP3 & 6 derive the internal clock from the incoming TC when it's present so it's actually not pure time-stamping but includes clocking. I'm not sure where I read this. Could have been in one of the early videos with Paul in it from the trade show when they first came out.
Could be wrong but I do remember thinking that that's pretty great.
The first generation MixPre's (the non-M models!!!) receive timecode via a hdmi-input or a 3.5 mm input. The Musician models didn't have a TC in. If you use the hdmi input for timecode, the display of many cameras stays black because the camera thinks it is connected to a HDMI-monitor :-) Just saying...

Made where? I was a bit surprised 'cause my Mixpre doesn't have a made in or assembled in ... sticker anywhere on the unit itself.
Old 16th September 2019
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As the Made in USA label is pretty stringent and filled with pride when marked with, I would believe a lot of the manufacturing is done abroad.
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The first generation MixPre's (the non-M models!!!) receive timecode via a hdmi-input or a 3.5 mm input. The Musician models didn't have a TC in. If you use the hdmi input for timecode, the display of many cameras stays black because the camera thinks it is connected to a HDMI-monitor :-) Just saying...

Made where? I was a bit surprised 'cause my Mixpre doesn't have a made in or assembled in ... sticker anywhere on the unit itself.
?. I was responding to someone asking about clocking on the MPs. anyway...
Old 16th September 2019
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Guys they are "made" in the midwest US and probably have parts from other countries inside as do a gazilion other products.....No real mystery surrounding the company....
Old 17th September 2019
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Exclamation

The IPS (Institute of Professional Sound) sent a film crew to IBC in Amsterdam and were interviewing various companies about new products.

The interview with Paul Isaacs of Sound Devices is HERE

If you want to see the other videos, the landing page is HERE
Old 19th September 2019
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For those interested, I inquired which preamps would be better suited to classical recording and I got a pretty "corporate" answer:

"Now is definitely an exciting time to upgrade with all the new products available. I can certainly understand your question about which Mic Pre will be “better”, but honestly the preamps in both the MixPre II Series and the 833 are more similar than they are different. That’s because Sound Devices does not compromise when it comes to the quality of preamps that are in our products. Also, “better” is very subjective and up to personal interpretation. A lot of people have stated their preference for the MixPre preamps over their 7-Series, but others have stated the exact opposite opinion as well."


Oh Well!
Old 23rd September 2019 | Show parent
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I talked to Paul at IBC (and Dan D too) and after describing the Mixpre as ENG and the Scorpio as EFP he kinda shrugged his shoulders as to say 'yea'. end of the day only your ears will tell you what you have.

I still think my Nagra pres on my 4.2 sound slightly better. I must be old.
Old 23rd September 2019 | Show parent
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And the source, mic position and the actual microphones used can all be factors on a mic pre - making it all even more complicated - let alone a user's ability.

Maybe we are getting to the point where we are straying at gnats? (I do not want to start that entire 788 versus Nagra debate!) And maybe there are other features that are now more important?
Old 24th September 2019 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by celticrogues View Post
Yes. Sound Devices stated when the Gen I MixPre-3, and -6 and -10T were released that those were the best microphone preamps they had ever made. That may have changed now with the release of the Scorpio, but according to the company anyway that MixPre amps are still better than the 700 series.

-Mike
Yes, Scorpio / Sound Devices 833 is even "better". But we're splitting hairs here!

The MixPre series is still the 2nd best pre amps they have ever made, and are very very good.

Zoom F series (F8/F8n/F4) are also very good as well if you're looking at another lower cost solution to consider.
Old 17th October 2019 | Show parent
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Hi friends!
So, we just bought a Mixpre-6,
I was surprised at how much self noise the preamps has, and are wondering if our unit is broken?

When turning up the gain without any xlrs connected the noise is getting redicilously loud.
If I remember correctly, the preamp noise level went up to something between -20 and -10db. (Dont have it in front of me as I write)

Even my old 50’s tube preamps doesnt get that loud in noise.

Any ideas?
Thank you!
Old 17th October 2019 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Ted Krotkiewski View Post
Hi friends!
So, we just bought a Mixpre-6,
I was surprised at how much self noise the preamps has, and are wondering if our unit is broken?

When turning up the gain without any xlrs connected the noise is getting redicilously loud.
If I remember correctly, the preamp noise level went up to something between -20 and -10db. (Dont have it in front of me as I write)

Even my old 50’s tube preamps doesnt get that loud in noise.

Any ideas?
Thank you!
Does it happen when there's an actual mic plugged in? I believe some circuits are noisy until they've got a mic plugged in. Give it a try.

Blake
Old 17th October 2019
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You should have a "shorting XLR plug" in the input if you are going to turn up the gain to listen/measure the S/N ratio. FWIW

A reminder do not have the phantom on if you short all three pins
Old 17th October 2019 | Show parent
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You should have a "shorting XLR plug" in the input if you are going to turn up the gain to listen/measure the S/N ratio. FWIW

A reminder do not have the phantom on if you short all three pins
Interesting! please elaborate on what a "Shorting XLR plug" is for me please sir.

Thank you for your time.
//Ted
Old 17th October 2019 | Show parent
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Shorting XLR; solder pin 2 and 3 together.
To get a ”truer result” to a microphone, solder a 50 Ohm or 150 Ohm metalfilm resistor between pin 2 and 3.
Old 17th October 2019 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Ted Krotkiewski View Post
Hi friends!
When turning up the gain without any xlrs connected the noise is getting redicilously loud.
SD says: https://www.sounddevices.com/microphone-preamp-noise/
Old 18th October 2019 | Show parent
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Exactly - read this. Cranking up unloaded preamps is meaningless. If you've got a resistor (anything between 50 and 300 ohms will do, really) then you can amuse yourself making an XLR test plug. Or, just plug in a mic and relax.

The MixPre preamps are excellent - there may be a musical case for using something else from time to time, but noisy they are not.
Old 18th October 2019
  #47
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If someone is saying that Nagra près are slightly better than MB that’s high praise indeed!
Old 18th October 2019
  #48
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There is a shootout between a Miktek and MP In a MB thread. The Miktek has more detail but also is a $1K converter. The guy said he uses the MB as a backup and was fine delivering a final result for classical music....
Old 18th October 2019 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by ljudatervinning View Post
Shorting XLR; solder pin 2 and 3 together.
To get a ”truer result” to a microphone, solder a 50 Ohm or 150 Ohm metalfilm resistor between pin 2 and 3.
Excellent info everyone!
I will solder an xlr with a resistor this weekend and try it out.

Thank you for your time.

//Ted
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