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Old 6th September 2019
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...but is it necessary?
For thoose, who make classical music recordings – exactly yes!
Old 6th September 2019
  #32
Yeah, I think of how many great classical recordings still highly regarded as pinnacles of fidelity were made on 14, 16, and 18 bit systems.

I like the idea of a 32 bit converter because I like to use that format when I need an intermediary between programs, and having the file recorded that way seems convenient. But it’s hardly a necessity. Interested to see if more manufacturers pursue 32 bit converters as a new standard (RME, Merging, DAD, etc).

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For thoose, who make classical music recordings – exactly yes!
Old 6th September 2019
  #33
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And yet, think of how many great classical recordings that we still hold in high regard were made on 14, 16, and 18 bit systems...
Yes, you right. But now – another technologies and aproches to the recording.
With 32 bits we can to forget about clipping and don’t use any limiters and other dynamic gears.
Analogue tapes has a big range and good resist for overloads (i’ve a long time works in analogue), but it’s absolutely another way and “religion”.
Sorry for my stupid English.
Old 6th September 2019
  #34
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Doesn't the current MixPre have 32bit converters technically? The new ones are floating point whatever that brings to the table right?
I don't see that as a huge deal but maybe I'm missing something.......

Given what it has in it a Mixpre is amazing for the money. I think they're able to capitalize on the design. A DI would be great but not sure how they'd do that if you use a control surface...... Yeah the reverb bug is annoying and CS is fantastic!......... Hope they continue updates and don't see why not. The new units aren't that different.......
Old 7th September 2019
  #35
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Doesn't the current MixPre have 32bit converters technically? The new ones are floating point whatever that brings to the table right?
I don't see that as a huge deal but maybe I'm missing something.......

Given what it has in it a Mixpre is amazing for the money. I think they're able to capitalize on the design. A DI would be great but not sure how they'd do that if you use a control surface...... Yeah the reverb bug is annoying and CS is fantastic!......... Hope they continue updates and don't see why not. The new units aren't that different.......
The first generation had 32 bit converters, probably the same ones as the new series, but they could not record a 32 bit float file. Only the internal processing was 32 bit. I don't know if I would ever record in anything greater than fixed 24 bit, but the improbability of digital clipping even without limiters makes the 32 bit float resolution somewhat appealing.
Old 28th September 2019
  #36
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But when i will update my gears, I'll don’t buy SD again.
There are many equally worthy brands that never allow such a "racket" with their customers.
Your first generation MixPre will make great recording for years to come and will demonstrate how well made SD products are. SD will continue to release updates and improve it if as can while Zoom and Tascam will continue to walk away from discontinued products and never look back as they've always done.

There's no racket. Just a company innovating in a quickly changing market and offering a better product at a better price point to stay competitive in this segment of the market.
Old 30th September 2019
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Your first generation MixPre will make great recording for years to come and will demonstrate how well made SD products are. SD will continue to release updates and improve it if as can while Zoom and Tascam will continue to walk away from discontinued products and never look back as they've always done.

There's no racket. Just a company innovating in a quickly changing market and offering a better product at a better price point to stay competitive in this segment of the market.
Agree with most points, but from which products have Zoom or Tascam walked away and never looked back? The latest update of the H6 firmware is from January this year and it is a 5 or 6 years old product. I own a Musiccam from Zoom that is even older and I still receive updates for the software that really improve the use of the cam.
Old 30th September 2019
  #38
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Agree with most points, but from which products have Zoom or Tascam walked away and never looked back? The latest update of the H6 firmware is from January this year and it is a 5 or 6 years old product. I own a Musiccam from Zoom that is even older and I still receive updates for the software that really improve the use of the cam.

I don't think Sound Devices are walking away from the MixPre I series. They released an update for it just last week, and have signalled their intentions to continue during so into the future on their facebook group...
Old 1st October 2019
  #39
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SD will continue to release updates and improve it if as can while Zoom and Tascam will continue to walk away from discontinued products and never look back as they've always done.
My Zoom R16 was released around 10 years ago and still received a driver update this year.

I'm not sure they are so hot on repairs as SD would be, rather tending to throw away and offer a replacement (but that's the current non-viable economics of repairing surface mount soldered boards, high labour costs, low cost of components...in other words, typical market forces impinging on most 'consumer goods' within the last 20 years)

SD is certainly not your typical consumer goods mfr, neither are their products !
Old 1st October 2019
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... which products have Zoom or Tascam walked away and never looked back?
The original Zoom H4 hasn't had a firmware update since April of 2015 and it's not what I'd consider reliable. I've moved on from Zoom products completely.

Tascam's DV-RA1000 was introduced in 2005 and the last firmware update is from 2007. The transports are delicate and fail. Replacements aren't available.

I have a couple of SD mic pres and recorders that are older and have never skipped a beat. And they can be serviced if they do.
Old 1st October 2019
  #41
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...which products have Zoom or Tascam walked away and never looked back?
Well Tascam at least has walked away from more products than the rest of the audio industry combined. Tape Portastudios and Gigastudio sampler anyone?

My Mixpre 10 II arrived a few days ago and I am happy to say the noise performance is vastly superior to my original Mixpre 6, especially the preamp performance. I am noticing a 15-20dB lower noise floor when the gain is cranked up. Not sure if that is a Mixpre 6 vs. 10 issue as they are powered differently, or if it is a benefit of the new versions, but it makes me happy.
Old 1st October 2019
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Well Tascam at least has walked away from more products than the rest of the audio industry combined. Tape Portastudios and Gigastudio sampler anyone?
How dare they abandon tape for something different..the nerve of some companies !

My old Portastudio 244 cassette-based recorder was built like a tank, very rugged indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portastudio
Old 1st October 2019
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How dare they abandon tape for something different..the nerve of some companies !
Right!?
Old 1st October 2019
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How dare they abandon tape for something different..the nerve of some companies !

My old Portastudio 244 cassette-based recorder was built like a tank, very rugged indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portastudio
Those really were good decks. I know of at least one studio that still have it on the desk and use it regularly.
Old 2 weeks ago
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My first gig with the Mixpre10 II:

It takes a little getting used to working with such a small screen. The wingman app helps with monitoring levels. Although the display levels are a bit confusing as SD uses a hybrid of FS (actual) and VU on the same meter without being able to be modified. For this job, I split the main pair with a Y cable after the preamp (Millennia HV3-B) stage into both recorders. A MP10 and 702. There was a noticeable difference in the quality of the headphone amp. Not so much in volume, but clarity. I use the ATM-50 in the field when monitors aren't an option. AS expected, the MP10 performed flawlessly. Wingman did cut out once, the screen went black in the meter field but quickly returned.
OK, now back to the studio. I was able to listen more accurately to both main pairs from the units. I agree with Rob Afterton's (sp?) assessment. There was a large difference in the AtoD stage. The 702 had a larger soundstage and clarity of the different sections of the orchestra. The MP sounded smaller and very congested in the mid frequencies. I wanted to do a comparison of the HV3 preamps to the MP, but time did not allow. Anyone who is interested in hearing a sample file, please PM me.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #46
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Man I'd love a DI on the Mix Pre's to use an external converter..... I went in digital to my old Korg and worked great. Not that the conversion is too shabby, but it is a limitation.......
Old 2 weeks ago
  #47
This is normal progress for you.

As time goes by, tech gets better *and* cheaper

Don’t. Be. Surprised.

It is how the world works, and it is a GOOD thing!


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Would you happen to know if a pair of 10T or 10M's can be chained together during recording with reliable sync-lock to give up to 16 mic inputs ? I'm guessing the T version would be necessary for this, as it outputs timecode ? That would be a cheaper option than buying a Scorpio....
You can do this with 2x Zoom F8 recorders, as even though they don’t have wordclock they will still stay in sync for hours
Old 2 weeks ago
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The original Zoom H4 hasn't had a firmware update since April of 2015 and it's not what I'd consider reliable. I've moved on from Zoom products completely.
You’re basing your judgement of Zoom on THAT?? Which is a dinosaur beyond ancient! I’m impressed it still got updates as “recently” as 2015
Old 2 weeks ago
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The original Zoom H4 hasn't had a firmware update since April of 2015
... maybe it's called the H4n?
Old 2 weeks ago
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... maybe it's called the H4n?
Well he said "H4", and H4 and H4n are two different things. ("H4n Pro" is something else different again!)
Old 2 weeks ago
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I apologise, I forgot that my Australian sense of humour (and spelling) is not fully appreciated in some sections of this forum. (Especially from just across The Ditch?? )

My thought: maybe the H4n is the ultimate firmware upgrade, just happens to come with new hardware as well. (Doesn't seem as funny when you have to explain it!)

(See also my usual signature - )
Old 2 weeks ago
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Would you happen to know if a pair of 10T or 10M's can be chained together during recording with reliable sync-lock to give up to 16 mic inputs ? I'm guessing the T version would be necessary for this, as it outputs timecode ? That would be a cheaper option than buying a Scorpio....
According to the SD people at AES, yes they can. Need the time code.
Old 2 weeks ago
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My first gig with the Mixpre10 II:

It takes a little getting used to working with such a small screen. The wingman app helps with monitoring levels. ...
And that is why i just opted to pick up a second 788t, rather than a new mixpre2 or scorpio. I want easy to see metering without adding other devices.

Tom
Old 2 weeks ago
  #54
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FWIW I find the Wingman really useful to have close by and not have to squint at the recorder (MixPre M). Nice big display and can control and label tracks from my phone....the addition of a control surface (Korg) is another welcome addition for flexibility. Using more as a studio recorded tho.....
Old 2 weeks ago
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Would it be the case that, if using 32 bit float mode, one would not particularly need to set levels?

Or maybe setting levels so that one is "roughly close" produces better results than recording at, say, +/- 60, and then adjusting gain in post. But, then again, when one is familiar with one's gear, one should probably be able to make an initial setting that peaks somewhere between -36 and -12. Maybe that's "close enough" when using 32 bit float???

DG
Old 2 weeks ago
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And that is why i just opted to pick up a second 788t, rather than a new mixpre2 or scorpio. I want easy to see metering without adding other devices.

Tom
That's exactly what I did! I sent the MP back to B&H and snagged a 788 with the CL-8 for $2400. I was not happy with the sound of the MP, even with a top notch mic pre and Schoeps in front. Very muddy in the mids with lack of definition in the stereo field. It really seems geared towards the budget video crowd in many ways. It was disappointing for classical music.
Old 6 days ago
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According to the SD people at AES, yes they can. Need the time code.
Sound Devices 10M doesn't have timecode.
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