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Old 1 week ago
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SyncBox - DAW + Hardware

Hello Guys ,
I got issue to Sync Ableton with my hardware (TR606).
Made lot of research how to do it , followed Ableton instruction about midi connection with hardware but going nowhere.
Started thinking about SyncBox to solve this problem finally.
Roland SBX-1 will work for me i guess but its too expensive.
Can you recomend low budget syncbox which will work for me , if there is any of course.

P.S. Problem is the same with new hardware , TR8 for example.

Any advice will be very helpfull
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Old 1 week ago
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It might make sense in the long run to upgrade your 606 with something midi-fied like this:

https://www.socialentropy.com/engine/?page_id=448
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It might make sense in the long run to upgrade your 606 with something midi-fied like this:

https://www.socialentropy.com/engine/?page_id=448
Great upgrade for sure but thats not solving my problem.
I can not even sync my TR8 to Ableton. I'm not expert of syncing devices but
i've tried lot of things.

Started thinking about Syncbox because it can sync DAW, Old Gear, New Gear
Old 1 week ago
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Tr606 has no midi, so you can’t use midi to sync it.
The socket that looks like a MIDI port is a DIN sync port.
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Tr606 has no midi, so you can’t use midi to sync it.
The socket that looks like a MIDI port is a DIN sync port.
Thanks for reply. So there is no Syncbox to solve this problem ?
I mean low budget if there is any.
SBX-1 would be great but its too expensive at this time
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There are sync boxes but you need one that receives MIDI clock from Ableton and sends DIN sync to the 606. I don’t know any low budget and reliable.
The tr8 isn’t having the same problem because it does have midi sync. It syncs automatically if you send it midi clock. If that doesn’t happen then it’s most likely wrong settings in Ableton or faulty cable.
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There are sync boxes but you need one that receives MIDI clock from Ableton and sends DIN sync to the 606. I don’t know any low budget and reliable.
The tr8 isn’t having the same problem because it does have midi sync. It syncs automatically if you send it midi clock. If that doesn’t happen then it’s most likely wrong settings in Ableton or faulty cable.
Tried to sync TR8 with midi caple and with USB cable too.
Match metronome manualy , adjusting in preferences.
Even if i match the tempo and record the loop , recorded clip drifts from grid.
Checked the driver error compensation and nothing helped.

Strange thing is that with exactly the same equipment and settings sync works on another computer (PC)
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Whats you think guys about E-RM MIDICLOCK+ ?
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It’s not going to sync your devices to Ableton. It replaces Ableton as your master clock.
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Even if i match the tempo and record the loop , recorded clip drifts from grid.
ith exactly the same equipment and settings sync works on another computer
With midi clock you don’t have to set tempo on the slave devices. They get tempo from the master which overrides the internal clock so even when you set tempo on the slave it won’t be used.

You can’t just set things to the same bpm, not use midi clock or other sync protocols and have things stay in sync because no two clocks are exactly the same. Unless you use some kind of sync there will always be drift.

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Strange thing is that with exactly the same equipment and settings sync works on another computer (PC)
Chances are the difference is to do with os settings and can be fixed.
Old 5 days ago
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The Arturia Beatstep Pro has Dinsync amongst its many useful connections, it is a really good nerve centre for connecting all kinds of hardware to your DAW,
I would recommend looking into that especially if you envisage getting more hardware
https://www.arturia.com/beatstep-pro/details
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If you have 2 spare DC-coupled outputs on your soundcard you could use them to generate a DINsync signal. Several free vst's are available that can generate a 24ppq signal. The big advantage of using a soundcard for generating DInSync is the sample-acurate timing. I have built convertors from AC coupled soundcards 2 DInsync using Schmidt triggers. If you are into DIY soldering and want more details please let me know. The solution will be very cheap, just a handfull of components.
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Tried to sync TR8 with midi caple and with USB cable too.
Strange thing is that with exactly the same equipment and settings sync works on another computer (PC)
what midi interface are you using and was that what you used with the alternative computer? its possible sync is not enabled on your midi ports within Ableton
take a look here
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/ar...-Live-via-MIDI

maybe the TR8 will be synced, also see here

https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-u...ing-to-Ableton

you will still need some way of creating DinSync from Midi

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to solve this problem finally.
You have yet to actually describe the problem as far as the TR8 goes. Why aren't you using External Instrument? Are you recording with monitor set to "off"? You can listen in another track than the recording one. That's how I get bang on sync with the TR8s. I've never failed to get any external machine to sync properly. It's about learning about the details concerning how Live does things as opposed to how we think it does.

I can agree the manual could be more upfront about sync issues and the possibilities.
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