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Old 28th February 2020
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New Comping Tool

Helloo,

I've made a little Max for Live device that takes some of the pain out of comping in Ableton.

The GIF in the description explains what it does far better than I could.

https://maxforlive.com/library/devic.../comping-takes

Enjoy!

Last edited by Messinki; 9th March 2020 at 10:05 PM.. Reason: Changed URL
Old 1st March 2020
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thank you sooooo much
Old 3rd March 2020
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Nice tool! Thanks man, appreciate it.
Old 3rd March 2020
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Yep. Very clever little tool
Old 5th March 2020
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This is amazing and so useful! thank you!
Old 6th March 2020
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Cheers! I'm about to add a feature for grouping different sets of takes together, for multi mic recordings. any other ideas are welcome
Old 6th March 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Messinki View Post
Cheers! I'm about to add a feature for grouping different sets of takes together, for multi mic recordings. any other ideas are welcome
I was actually thinking about that feature. It could be GREAT ! And a true game changer for Ableton Live.

But I'm thinking about the workflow, and still don't figure out how to manage such a feature in a multi-mic recording situation.

For exemple a drums recording : you've got kick, snare, OH left and OH right.
How do you record take after take without dragging & dropping each take to new tracks ?
Do you think you could find a way to group tracks based on their name ?
For exemple KICK #1 , KICK#2 , KICK#3 and so on ?

So when I select the KICK #2 track for recording, it arms it and the SNARE #2 , OH left #2 and OH right #2 ?

Or (even better idea) by using the grouping function in Live, so it selects and arms for recording all the tracks within a group when you select it (excluding the others of course) ?
In this case, you just need to set up your 4 tracks for recording, group them and copy them 10 or 20 times, rename them #1 , #2 , #3 etc.
Each group can than be a multitrack take...

Anyway, it could be a game changer for Live : it's actually the only feature I'm missing in Live...
Old 6th March 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calagan View Post
I was actually thinking about that feature. It could be GREAT ! And a true game changer for Ableton Live.

But I'm thinking about the workflow, and still don't figure out how to manage such a feature in a multi-mic recording situation.

For exemple a drums recording : you've got kick, snare, OH left and OH right.
How do you record take after take without dragging & dropping each take to new tracks ?
Do you think you could find a way to group tracks based on their name ?
For exemple KICK #1 , KICK#2 , KICK#3 and so on ?

So when I select the KICK #2 track for recording, it arms it and the SNARE #2 , OH left #2 and OH right #2 ?

Or (even better idea) by using the grouping function in Live, so it selects and arms for recording all the tracks within a group when you select it (excluding the others of course) ?
In this case, you just need to set up your 4 tracks for recording, group them and copy them 10 or 20 times, rename them #1 , #2 , #3 etc.
Each group can than be a multitrack take...

Anyway, it could be a game changer for Live : it's actually the only feature I'm missing in Live...
Yeah this is sort of what I'm implementing atm, it's most of the way there, will hopefully find time to do it within a week or so.
Old 9th March 2020
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Done! now if you multiple devices with the same names, they work in sync with each other

Link is the same:

https://maxforlive.com/library/devic.../comping-takes
Old 12th March 2020
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Hi Messinki

Actually I would have gone the opposite way with an update (maybe my previous post was confusing).

What you changed in your recent update is that when you've got numerous groups with the same track names inside (like for exemple drums takes groups with kick, snare and OH tracks in it), your device is linking the tracks with the same name.
But it means that if you want to record multiple takes of drums, you need to group the instruments/channels, not the takes.
So you've got a kick group, a snare group, an OH group. Each with tracks numbered by take (Kick 1, Kick 2, Kick 3).

To me it doesn't make sense in a multitrack recording session (at least for drums, where you don't exactly mix the best kick take with the best snare take but you need to choose the best take of the whole kit).

I think it could be better (and much simpler for you) just to enable the recording (arm) for each channel in the selected group.
So each group is called Take 1, Take 2, Take 3 etc. etc. And each group contains the same channel set-up (input 1 for kick, input 2 for snare, inputs 3-4 for OH) that you can replicate in 2 clicks if you want to record another take.

For each take, you should just need to select the group and each track in the group would be armed and ready to record. No matter the name of the tracks (so I guess much simpler for you to code).
You could have a version of your device for channel, and another version for group (or the option included in the GUI).

Or maybe I didn't understand your point (I'm too much into drums recording at the moment)

Anyway, it's a great device and i'm really pleased you did that little and clever piece of code and shared with the community !
Old 12th March 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calagan View Post
Hi Messinki

Actually I would have gone the opposite way with an update (maybe my previous post was confusing).

What you changed in your recent update is that when you've got numerous groups with the same track names inside (like for exemple drums takes groups with kick, snare and OH tracks in it), your device is linking the tracks with the same name.
But it means that if you want to record multiple takes of drums, you need to group the instruments/channels, not the takes.
So you've got a kick group, a snare group, an OH group. Each with tracks numbered by take (Kick 1, Kick 2, Kick 3).

To me it doesn't make sense in a multitrack recording session (at least for drums, where you don't exactly mix the best kick take with the best snare take but you need to choose the best take of the whole kit).

I think it could be better (and much simpler for you) just to enable the recording (arm) for each channel in the selected group.
So each group is called Take 1, Take 2, Take 3 etc. etc. And each group contains the same channel set-up (input 1 for kick, input 2 for snare, inputs 3-4 for OH) that you can replicate in 2 clicks if you want to record another take.

For each take, you should just need to select the group and each track in the group would be armed and ready to record. No matter the name of the tracks (so I guess much simpler for you to code).
You could have a version of your device for channel, and another version for group (or the option included in the GUI).

Or maybe I didn't understand your point (I'm too much into drums recording at the moment)

Anyway, it's a great device and i'm really pleased you did that little and clever piece of code and shared with the community !
Good point, although I have been making this with drum tracking in mind, basing it off the way logic deals with takes. This way you have a group of kicks, snares, etc which is helpful mixing-wise as you can place an eq on the whole group and automatically hear every take with the same effects, although I suppose editing takes would be easier if things were done as you are suggesting. I'll have a think about it!
Old 12th March 2020
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Quote:
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Good point, although I have been making this with drum tracking in mind, basing it off the way logic deals with takes. This way you have a group of kicks, snares, etc which is helpful mixing-wise as you can place an eq on the whole group and automatically hear every take with the same effects, although I suppose editing takes would be easier if things were done as you are suggesting. I'll have a think about it!
Ah ah... Actually you've got a point too : I didn't think about the interest of a group of same channels (like snare) : so you can eq all the snare takes and compare them while starting your mix !

The two strategies are both valid, depending on the way you are working.
In fact, it depends from the purpose of your device : help for recording multitracks, or help for mixing multitracks ?

Personally, I would choose the best take first (best vibe, best groove, etc. etc.), and then I would start to process. But I can understand someone who want to mix first and then choose the best take according to how it sounds processed.

I think Live is lacking more in the recording area (specially the comping side), but it's only my point of view.
It's a pity we don't have other users telling their view about that.
Old 12th March 2020
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Maybe two version ?
Old 6th April 2020
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I've fixed a few bugs and added buttons to rename and recolour the takes. I'm still going to make the alternate version that Calagan described at some point
Old 6th April 2020
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Best new of the day !
Thanks a lot. It will truly be one of the most useful M4L device Iโ€™ve got... ok, it is actually...
Old 21st September 2020
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https://gum.co/pRttdS

Here's a reworked version of my comping takes plugin, which will cost ยฃ5 after I've got all the bugs out and made sure it's easy to use. If anyone here is keen to give me some feedback, I'll make sure they get a free version of the final thing.

Also the new multitrack version is very nearly finished!
Old 21st September 2020
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Good news ! Iโ€™m using your device all the time when recording since its release. Iโ€™ll take a look at this new version...
Old 21st September 2020
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I tried the new version during some time, and it's absolutely great !
Even better than the first version (that was already one of the best M4L utility I ever used).
With it, it becomes super easy and super quick to record a singer or an instrumentist, to relisten with him the beginning of take 1 and the end of take 6, and to create a new comp take in few seconds.
The fact that (almost) everything is automated is great : the musician doesn't wait for your edit between each take (because you've got nothing else to do than highlight a new track and you're ready to record), and you can very easily create and play a comp take in few seconds. Everything becomes so fluid and transparent...
It's truly a new DAW for recording !
I can't try it more in depth at the moment because my audio device is being repaired, but few minutes with this update and it looks like a true game changer if you are not satisfied by the Live recording features (and it's quite the weak point of this DAW).
You should absolutely show this plugin to the Live developers ! They should integrate it to the Live built-in M4L devices !
For the moment, I didn't find any bug...

I've got just one feature wish, but we spoke about that before in this thread : if I want to record anything multitrack (drums or full band), it could be great to have a multitrack version of the plugin that does exactly the same but with more than 1 track.
For exemple, let's say the first take of your drummer is composed of 3 tracks called Kick #1, Snare #1 and OH #1.
The plugin makes you able to unmute each track that shares the same number in its name (#1 or #2 for exemple), even if you select just one of theses (for exemple, if you select the Kick #5, it unmutes Kick #5, snare #5 and OH #5).
When you hit stop, the M4L plugin creates 3 new tracks called the same with #+1 : for exemple Kick #2, snare #2 and OH#2 .
And so on and so on...
You want to relisten the 6th take ? No problem, you just select the kick #6 (or the snare #6 or the OH #6 ) and you hit play.
It seems M4L can't group tracks, but anyway it's not a big deal if each take (i.e. each bunch of tracks with the same number) has the same color : so you can group them easily after each take, or much later if you are in a hurry between each take. After your grouping edit, each sub-group within the group of drums recording is a take...
I guess it's a bit more complex to code, but it could be so great...
Old 22nd September 2020
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I was recording vocals today, and everything went fine but 2 small issues :
- the plugin stopped to use new colors after the track 28. Tracks 29 and following were the same color...
- the plugin stopped to create new tracks after the track 39. I needed to do this manually.

If it can help, I had only two tracks (playback tracks) above the recording group
Old 22nd September 2020
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Cheers Calagan! I am getting the same with the colouring and adding of track, so thanks for finding that. And don't worry, the multitrack device is very nearly ready!
Old 4 weeks ago
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Great ! Keep us in touch.

Will it be another M4L device ? Or will it be integrated in the same device ?

I truly think it's an incredibly useful tool when recording in Live. It could be great to have some feedback from other users...
By the way, I forgot to say I'm using it on Mac, Mojave, Live 10.1.17 (if it's useful for you)
Old 4 weeks ago
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Updated, it works for me with over 60 tracks now. Let me know if it works for you as well!

The multitrack version is a seperate device.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Would everyone who downloads it be sweet and lovely enough to leave it a rating and review? It will really help me when I start selling it!
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