Foo Fighters - ish type track hows it sound?

Ahellam · 10th October 2005, 04:16 AM

Done ITB Nuendo. Guitars were fender jazzmaster > vox ac30 + fulldrive distortion. Not much I could do about them not sounding modern but I think it has a cool vibe.

Ahellam · 10th October 2005, 04:18 AM

oh yeah, did RECORDERMAN overhead style on this guy really helped with the snare cutting through.

ryguydrum@netsc · 10th October 2005, 04:28 AM

Nice...the guitars sound really thick-cool sound. Drums sound good too. The only thing that I heard that I would change would be the volume of the vocals. To me it sounds like they need to be louder, especially in the verses, but in the choruses a little bit as well. Everything else is so fricken huge (which i really dig) but I just think that all of the guitars/drums/bass beat up/bury the vocal a little bit. Other than that, I think its a pretty bitchen mix.
Ryan
P.S. What studio was this recorded in?

indie · 10th October 2005, 04:42 AM

Sounds great man! I agree about the vocal though...I want to hear it much more "in your face". Rock on.

True North · 10th October 2005, 06:18 AM

I really like the instrument mix - my apologies if this is beating a dead horse - but the vocals need to be more present. From what I can hear of the vocals they could also stand to be beefed up a little - they sound a bit thin - may a bit of bottom end EQ boost - play around with it a little - maybe a bit of strategically used delayto thicken it up a bit.

I think this will be a really good overall mix once the you adress the vocals. The instrument mix is really good. This might a bit nitpicky but the stereo image was a bit too wide overall. I don't know specifically where but I think it might have been the drums. Whatever it is something could stand to be little more focused - not everything has to be panned so hard L/R.

You have the raw elements of a really good mix - keep tweaking.

Ahellam · 10th October 2005, 06:37 AM

recorded at my studio..... www.castleultimate.com
Vocalists voice is really challenging to get to sound right. I found it was either too thin and weak or too overcompressed sounding. Perhaps its because I dont have very good gear. Vocals were Rode NTK>DBX386 tube pre. Waves RVox and RDeEsser.

Thanks for the tips. Do you think that if I didnt have the guitars and drums panned so wide that it would be more interferance with the vocals?
Ive only been doing this for about 3 years so I will take any advice (including getting better gear hahah)

peace

octatonic · 10th October 2005, 12:28 PM

Sounds great- really very cool track.
Yes vocals need to be a tad louder, other than that its cool.
Got any more?

JR

malfunction · 10th October 2005, 03:14 PM

sounds excellent!
Great band too...they kinda remind me of 80's Husker Du, Moving Targets...
I too would try and make the vocals more lively, give them more presence...
Have they released any other stuff?
Grant

balkanboy · 10th October 2005, 09:17 PM

smokin' !!!

Great energy!
Like the guitars...
Even that NTK will work if you tweak it a bit...

Nice work!

burt3k · 11th October 2005, 03:28 AM

Great song! i really like the drumsound, could you please give some more detailed
information on the equipment you used (mics and preamps)?
thanks

burt

Ahellam · 11th October 2005, 05:49 AM

Presonus Digimax 8ch pre for drums
marshall mxls on the rooms, rode nt5s for overheads

bass was ampeg b15 i think fender p bass d112

malfunction · 11th October 2005, 02:13 PM

did you use samples for the drums?

heyman · 11th October 2005, 02:45 PM

Fukin great sound with not so great equipment. Was this mixed in the box entirely.. Doesnt sound like it. This sounds like it was mixed on an analog console and then mastered.. hats off..

Can you ..

1) tell us how it was mixed..?
2) how did you get it to sound that huge?
3) Was this mastered? The levels are way up there for a "rough mix"

Great seperation btw..

Ahellam · 11th October 2005, 07:56 PM

no samples for drums, drummer was also an engineer and knew the further he had his cymbals away from the snare/toms the better, also had an orange county kit with K custom cymbals.

I mastered it with T-Racks everything in the box.
Big drum sound was combo of a nice live room and hard hitting drummer who went easy on the cymbals.

Atari · 15th October 2005, 03:40 PM

Great mix/song. Don't touch the vocals! They're great. Or maybe a little bit louder in the beginning of the song. Really my cup of thee.

Ow yeah, and if you really want to make it sound like the foo fighters. Send it through an L2(or something else) and make it pump..

denial · 16th October 2005, 11:18 AM

Like the song, like the arrangement, like the energy, like the semi-chaos, like the vocals and instruments. What's not to like?
Great bit of guitar rock with a catchy melody. Interesting ending.
Sounds fine on my soundsticks.
Love the guitars, very classic sounding.
Doesn't need any further tweaking!
Seems like you served it justice.
Great job

Let me know when the album is finished and I'll buy a copy.

malfunction · 16th October 2005, 11:46 AM

yeah, let us know when the album comes out! I'll also buy a copy...
Grant

denial · 16th October 2005, 12:02 PM

I just listened to it again but this time on a full range hi-fi stereo and I agree with heyman. You're either an engineer wiz or just full of wiz.

I'd like more info on the recording, mixing and gear. It just doesn't add up to me?

If you really did do this with the average gear you have and in the box, my hat's off to you. Regardless, it's a really good production and I like the band.

heyman · 16th October 2005, 04:29 PM

Yes, I will say it again.. This mix has all the seperation you could want and the glue to hold it together as well ..

Spill those beans.. We want more info ...

Ahellam · 16th October 2005, 07:18 PM

i am at work right now recording but when im finished i guess i could do a really detailed description of what i did with this project.

honestly its just alot good placement, performance, nice instruments being played well.

Ahellam · 17th October 2005, 04:55 AM

OK HERE GOES!

I guess I will start with gear list....

Drums - Orange County Custom Maple Set (most of drums were plugged into presonus digimax which is transformerless preamp with built in variable limiters which i used on alot of the drums to get a "hotter" signal) (in general i do not like the sound of the preamp without the limiter at all)

kick inside - d112 > presonus digimax
kick outside - rode NT2 > digimax
snare - 57 > digimax
rack tom - 58 with the pop screen off > digimax
floor tom - 421 > digimax
overheads rode NT5s (recorderman style) > digimax
rooms - marshall mxl large caps > dbx 386 tube pre

The drummer knew how to play his kit in a very recording friendly way. Not to mention he had a nice ass kit with great cymbals for recording. "K Custom" crashes and "sweet ride" ride cymbal.

Mostly Waves RenEQ on drums.... Did parallel compression with a "compression" buss and mixed that with non compressed drums into a "drum buss"
Rooms and overheads mixed pretty high and since i did recorder man style, the drums cut through more than the cymbals so i used waves L1 lightly to bring up the cymbals in the overheads track which i guess made the snare/toms sound in the overheads sound even bigger.

Bass was 70s P-Bass with maple neck > Ampeg 40 watt 1x15 combo.
Miced with d112 and used T-Racks compressor (love that plugin) and some Waves EQ and some Waves RBass for a little sub enhancement. That was about it pretty easy with that one.

Guitars...
Fender Jazzmaster > Ac 30 head > marshall greenback 4x12 for rhythm.. add a fulltone fulldrive for more distortion on alot of parts.
Mixture of Rode NTK and 421 (mostly 421) > presonus
Rhythm powerchord tracks doubled but done on separate days with different mic placement and eq.
Amp cranked for maximum goodness. (gotta do it with a vox)

Vocals
Rode NTK > 386
RDe Esser RVox EQ and R Verb

T Racks MB Limiter for mastering.

DWJK · 17th October 2005, 07:27 AM

Seriously... this track makes me want to revaluate all those ITB mixes I thought were hopeless cause I didnt have an SSL, distressors, and the whole deal. Whole mix sounded awesome (espcially the guiars). Could you post a link to the recorderman overhead style? Thanks alot, and again, great track

Ahellam · 17th October 2005, 09:02 AM

i dont have a link to recorder man style but im sure if you search around here you can find one...

heyman · 17th October 2005, 05:50 PM

Thanks Ahellam.. One more thing.. can you breifly describe how you had everything panned in the mix.. ?

Thanks..

Ahellam · 18th October 2005, 01:03 AM

all the stereo tracks i recorded as stereo tracks... gutiars are about 85% right and left.

GMR · 18th October 2005, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahellam

OK HERE GOES!

IGuitars...
Fender Jazzmaster > Ac 30 head > marshall greenback 4x12 for rhythm.
.

Ssshhhh, dont tell everybody! I love greenbacks and not the re-issues! I have 68' cab. I think you took the time to make sure the source was good of everything before miking it up! Keep it up!

thesandbox · 20th October 2005, 06:42 PM

Can I ask what you used for AD conversion into Nuendo? Still using PARIS here but been contiplating a move for about a year or so now and this mix was enough to get me thinking again.

Thanks,

Matt Barber

Ahellam · 21st October 2005, 12:11 AM

RME converters Fireface 800

DeeDrive · 21st October 2005, 10:04 AM

Love the track, drums are perfect! Can somebody tell me what this recorderman OH style is? Thanks.

Ahellam · 22nd October 2005, 03:39 AM

its an overhead technique with the hihat side overhead mic directly over the snare about 2-2.5 drumsticks high and the ride cymbal side on over the drummers right shoulder aimed at the snare (rotate to get kick/snare as center as possible)

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10th October 2005, 04:18 AM	#2
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	oh yeah, did RECORDERMAN overhead style on this guy really helped with the snare cutting through. __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

10th October 2005, 06:18 AM	#5
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,455	I really like the instrument mix - my apologies if this is beating a dead horse - but the vocals need to be more present. From what I can hear of the vocals they could also stand to be beefed up a little - they sound a bit thin - may a bit of bottom end EQ boost - play around with it a little - maybe a bit of strategically used delayto thicken it up a bit. I think this will be a really good overall mix once the you adress the vocals. The instrument mix is really good. This might a bit nitpicky but the stereo image was a bit too wide overall. I don't know specifically where but I think it might have been the drums. Whatever it is something could stand to be little more focused - not everything has to be panned so hard L/R. You have the raw elements of a really good mix - keep tweaking. __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

10th October 2005, 06:37 AM	#6
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	recorded at my studio..... www.castleultimate.com Vocalists voice is really challenging to get to sound right. I found it was either too thin and weak or too overcompressed sounding. Perhaps its because I dont have very good gear. Vocals were Rode NTK>DBX386 tube pre. Waves RVox and RDeEsser. Thanks for the tips. Do you think that if I didnt have the guitars and drums panned so wide that it would be more interferance with the vocals? Ive only been doing this for about 3 years so I will take any advice (including getting better gear hahah) peace __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

10th October 2005, 12:28 PM	#7
octatonic Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 4,793	Sounds great- really very cool track. Yes vocals need to be a tad louder, other than that its cool. Got any more? JR __________________ Regards, Jim Richmond "I don't go to mythical places with strange men." Douglas Adams

10th October 2005, 04:28 AM	#3
ryguydrum@netsc Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sherman Hoax, California Posts: 172	Nice...the guitars sound really thick-cool sound. Drums sound good too. The only thing that I heard that I would change would be the volume of the vocals. To me it sounds like they need to be louder, especially in the verses, but in the choruses a little bit as well. Everything else is so fricken huge (which i really dig) but I just think that all of the guitars/drums/bass beat up/bury the vocal a little bit. Other than that, I think its a pretty bitchen mix. Ryan P.S. What studio was this recorded in?

10th October 2005, 04:42 AM	#4
indie Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: C-ville area VA Posts: 1,272	Sounds great man! I agree about the vocal though...I want to hear it much more "in your face". Rock on.

10th October 2005, 03:14 PM	#8
malfunction Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Switzerland Posts: 197	sounds excellent! Great band too...they kinda remind me of 80's Husker Du, Moving Targets... I too would try and make the vocals more lively, give them more presence... Have they released any other stuff? Grant

10th October 2005, 09:17 PM	#9
balkanboy Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 56	smokin' !!! Great energy! Like the guitars... Even that NTK will work if you tweak it a bit... Nice work!

11th October 2005, 03:28 AM	#10
burt3k Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 30	Great song! i really like the drumsound, could you please give some more detailed information on the equipment you used (mics and preamps)? thanks burt

11th October 2005, 05:49 AM	#11
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	Presonus Digimax 8ch pre for drums marshall mxls on the rooms, rode nt5s for overheads bass was ampeg b15 i think fender p bass d112 __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

11th October 2005, 02:13 PM	#12
malfunction Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Switzerland Posts: 197	did you use samples for the drums?

11th October 2005, 02:45 PM	#13
heyman Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Waterbury CT, then Providence, RI Posts: 1,924	Fukin great sound with not so great equipment. Was this mixed in the box entirely.. Doesnt sound like it. This sounds like it was mixed on an analog console and then mastered.. hats off.. Can you .. 1) tell us how it was mixed..? 2) how did you get it to sound that huge? 3) Was this mastered? The levels are way up there for a "rough mix" Great seperation btw.. __________________ Teee hee ha ha .... I wanna play wit chew. Butter's Does Samwell! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4y...-in-the-bu_fun

11th October 2005, 07:56 PM	#14
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	no samples for drums, drummer was also an engineer and knew the further he had his cymbals away from the snare/toms the better, also had an orange county kit with K custom cymbals. I mastered it with T-Racks everything in the box. Big drum sound was combo of a nice live room and hard hitting drummer who went easy on the cymbals. __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

15th October 2005, 03:40 PM	#15
Atari Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 166	Great mix/song. Don't touch the vocals! They're great. Or maybe a little bit louder in the beginning of the song. Really my cup of thee. Ow yeah, and if you really want to make it sound like the foo fighters. Send it through an L2(or something else) and make it pump.. __________________ Dress like a rockstar, record like a rockstar! - Rockstar Recordings

16th October 2005, 11:18 AM	#16
denial Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 497	Like the song, like the arrangement, like the energy, like the semi-chaos, like the vocals and instruments. What's not to like? Great bit of guitar rock with a catchy melody. Interesting ending. Sounds fine on my soundsticks. Love the guitars, very classic sounding. Doesn't need any further tweaking! Seems like you served it justice. Great job Let me know when the album is finished and I'll buy a copy. __________________ "Fix it in the marketing"

16th October 2005, 11:46 AM	#17
malfunction Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Switzerland Posts: 197	yeah, let us know when the album comes out! I'll also buy a copy... Grant

16th October 2005, 12:02 PM	#18
denial Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 497	I just listened to it again but this time on a full range hi-fi stereo and I agree with heyman. You're either an engineer wiz or just full of wiz. I'd like more info on the recording, mixing and gear. It just doesn't add up to me? If you really did do this with the average gear you have and in the box, my hat's off to you. Regardless, it's a really good production and I like the band. __________________ "Fix it in the marketing"

16th October 2005, 04:29 PM	#19
heyman Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Waterbury CT, then Providence, RI Posts: 1,924	Yes, I will say it again.. This mix has all the seperation you could want and the glue to hold it together as well .. Spill those beans.. We want more info ... __________________ Teee hee ha ha .... I wanna play wit chew. Butter's Does Samwell! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4y...-in-the-bu_fun

16th October 2005, 07:18 PM	#20
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	i am at work right now recording but when im finished i guess i could do a really detailed description of what i did with this project. honestly its just alot good placement, performance, nice instruments being played well. __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

17th October 2005, 04:55 AM	#21
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	OK HERE GOES! I guess I will start with gear list.... Drums - Orange County Custom Maple Set (most of drums were plugged into presonus digimax which is transformerless preamp with built in variable limiters which i used on alot of the drums to get a "hotter" signal) (in general i do not like the sound of the preamp without the limiter at all) kick inside - d112 > presonus digimax kick outside - rode NT2 > digimax snare - 57 > digimax rack tom - 58 with the pop screen off > digimax floor tom - 421 > digimax overheads rode NT5s (recorderman style) > digimax rooms - marshall mxl large caps > dbx 386 tube pre The drummer knew how to play his kit in a very recording friendly way. Not to mention he had a nice ass kit with great cymbals for recording. "K Custom" crashes and "sweet ride" ride cymbal. Mostly Waves RenEQ on drums.... Did parallel compression with a "compression" buss and mixed that with non compressed drums into a "drum buss" Rooms and overheads mixed pretty high and since i did recorder man style, the drums cut through more than the cymbals so i used waves L1 lightly to bring up the cymbals in the overheads track which i guess made the snare/toms sound in the overheads sound even bigger. Bass was 70s P-Bass with maple neck > Ampeg 40 watt 1x15 combo. Miced with d112 and used T-Racks compressor (love that plugin) and some Waves EQ and some Waves RBass for a little sub enhancement. That was about it pretty easy with that one. Guitars... Fender Jazzmaster > Ac 30 head > marshall greenback 4x12 for rhythm.. add a fulltone fulldrive for more distortion on alot of parts. Mixture of Rode NTK and 421 (mostly 421) > presonus Rhythm powerchord tracks doubled but done on separate days with different mic placement and eq. Amp cranked for maximum goodness. (gotta do it with a vox) Vocals Rode NTK > 386 RDe Esser RVox EQ and R Verb T Racks MB Limiter for mastering. __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

17th October 2005, 07:27 AM	#22
DWJK Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 40	Seriously... this track makes me want to revaluate all those ITB mixes I thought were hopeless cause I didnt have an SSL, distressors, and the whole deal. Whole mix sounded awesome (espcially the guiars). Could you post a link to the recorderman overhead style? Thanks alot, and again, great track

17th October 2005, 09:02 AM	#23
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	i dont have a link to recorder man style but im sure if you search around here you can find one... __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

17th October 2005, 05:50 PM	#24
heyman Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Waterbury CT, then Providence, RI Posts: 1,924	Thanks Ahellam.. One more thing.. can you breifly describe how you had everything panned in the mix.. ? Thanks.. __________________ Teee hee ha ha .... I wanna play wit chew. Butter's Does Samwell! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4y...-in-the-bu_fun

18th October 2005, 01:03 AM	#25
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	all the stereo tracks i recorded as stereo tracks... gutiars are about 85% right and left. __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

20th October 2005, 06:42 PM	#27
thesandbox Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 13	Can I ask what you used for AD conversion into Nuendo? Still using PARIS here but been contiplating a move for about a year or so now and this mix was enough to get me thinking again. Thanks, Matt Barber

21st October 2005, 12:11 AM	#28
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	RME converters Fireface 800 __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

21st October 2005, 10:04 AM	#29
DeeDrive Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hillsboro, OR Posts: 894	Love the track, drums are perfect! Can somebody tell me what this recorderman OH style is? Thanks.

22nd October 2005, 03:39 AM	#30
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 419	its an overhead technique with the hihat side overhead mic directly over the snare about 2-2.5 drumsticks high and the ride cymbal side on over the drummers right shoulder aimed at the snare (rotate to get kick/snare as center as possible) __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.

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