Punk band with girl singer

[frist44]

I did this song last weekend for a band making a demo.

Comments?

Brandon

[error]

reminds me of coheed and cambria i think u can bring the drums up a little more.. more snare kick and toms.. bass a little more present.. Guitars are nice but with the bass up they will be thicker.. they kinda have a coheed and cambria thing going but her voice is a lower timbre haha.. try some autotune? her voice is a little too loud i think also and/or dry..

[rainsinvelvet]

On my Dell Computer speakers..

hihat is a bit out front during the verse (for my taste).
Agreed that the vocals are a bit dry maybe..?

Otherwise I enjoyed it. Sounds fine ..

ERic

[frist44]

One my biggest fears is that I'm going to end up with a 'verb drowned vox track, which I tend to associate with amateur recordings. Monitoring through a Lavry d/a and dynaudio's, the reberb always seems more apparent and I should probably take that into consideration. In my mind, I would rather have less than more, but maybe this time I was a little extreme about it.

I've had problems judging bass in the past, and have always seemed to little or too much. I think this time it could've used a little more.

oh well...you live you learn.

Thanks for the comments,
Brandon

[eberrong]

Sounds great! Gwen Stefani with attitude...I love it. How was it recorded and mixed?

IMHO Strong Points...

- Guitars sound great
- Bass tone is good too
- Vocal sounds good
- BGV sits just right
- Great drum sounds (cymbals are to die for - Nice high end)

IMHO Weak Points...

- Overall timing, maybe a click track is in order
- The high tom sounds dead compared to others??
- The snare is pretty good...I think it could be improved if augmented with a sample for more crack.

Overall...really impressive!!

[frist44]

hey thanks for the comments.

Everything was tracked and mixed in Nuendo 2.

Guitars - 121 and 57 into TG2 & 1272. The amps were a Mesa DC-10 and Orange. The cleans were all 121

Bass - DI into TG2 and 421 on cabinet into DRS-2

Vox - Dragonfly into DRS-2

Drums - I actually switched out some of his cymbals for mine because I did them once before and the hi hat was really piercing. I changd up some mics and used a pair of CAD-179's in recorderman setup. I actually really like the OH, This is a first for me since I'm recording with 7.5' ceilings.

The drummer couldn't handle the click. Believe me, I tried. I wish that was possible. I didn't spend much time on tuning because I was more worried about overcoming the problems the last time I did them like the cymbals and kick. Probably should've...I messed with the snare for awhile. It was double miced with a m201 and oktava SD. This is the first time i stuck a condenser on as well and I think it really helped with the attack. We spent a lot of time carving the snare out because they thought it sounded too much like a tom, so a bunch of UAD 1176 and we got to what it is now.

anyway...thanks for the positive comments. I'm still trying to settle on the bass level thing in my space. I wish they had a more solid rhythm section, i think it would totally change their sound.

Brandon

[dreamaudio]

wow that drummer needs some practice! or some editing ;)...

Drums are thin...especially the kick...

The guitars have a little bit of the nasaly "fake" sounding sound(doesn't bother me too much though)..

The first backround that comes in..the guy voice...you should double that ;)...or copy it..nudge it around..

I think overall the OH's could come down a little...and the drums up...Are you limiting the drums btw?

What kind of mic on the bassdrum?

I can't really post everything I would do that is in my head...I would just do things a lot differntly!

Not a bad job though..sounds good ;)

<3

[eberrong]

Originally posted by frist44
hey thanks for the comments.

Everything was tracked and mixed in Nuendo 2.

Guitars - 121 and 57 into TG2 & 1272. The amps were a Mesa DC-10 and Orange. The cleans were all 121

Bass - DI into TG2 and 421 on cabinet into DRS-2

Vox - Dragonfly into DRS-2

Drums - I actually switched out some of his cymbals for mine because I did them once before and the hi hat was really piercing. I changd up some mics and used a pair of CAD-179's in recorderman setup. I actually really like the OH, This is a first for me since I'm recording with 7.5' ceilings.

The drummer couldn't handle the click. Believe me, I tried. I wish that was possible. I didn't spend much time on tuning because I was more worried about overcoming the problems the last time I did them like the cymbals and kick. Probably should've...I messed with the snare for awhile. It was double miced with a m201 and oktava SD. This is the first time i stuck a condenser on as well and I think it really helped with the attack. We spent a lot of time carving the snare out because they thought it sounded too much like a tom, so a bunch of UAD 1176 and we got to what it is now.

anyway...thanks for the positive comments. I'm still trying to settle on the bass level thing in my space. I wish they had a more solid rhythm section, i think it would totally change their sound.

Brandon

Brandon - What did you use for A/D conversion on these tracks?

[frist44]

The drums were tracked through an hd24xr. Everything else went through a Lavry a/d. It was my first time using this since I got it. It sounds good.

[Buddhaman]

Frist (Brandon??)...I'm just getting into the demo business myself...

did you charge these guys hourly? or a package price?

How much did you charge?

how long did it take to record?.....

Did you mix later or during the tracking session?

Master Yourself?

Lots of questions...but I want to get a feel for the market

thanks,
Buddhaman

[frist44]

Buddhaman,
these guys came to me basically because my rates were low and they liked the clips I posted. My rates were $20/hr at the time, I've since changed them to $25/hr. Regardless, we tracked three songs in a weekend. They paid per hour. I don't have any package prices, because most of the my projects are not full package type things. Lots of overdubs and hip hop stuff, I don't know. This is a side thing for me, so I don't have a band in everyday tracking a record. Saturday was tracking everything, and sunday we mixed and "home mastered". total time was about 16 hours. Tracking was probably 11 of them.

hope this helps,
Brandon

[Jules]

Over heads (nice sounding) but too loud

The track has a sort of Deftones / new metal ' glide' when perhaps it should be more 'slammin' in a pumpkins / Brand New Andy Wallace way..

Sounds like the drummer just got a nice new set of cymbals..

Vocal delivery gets a bit corny unspecial but thats not your fault.. Sort of Alien Ant farm meets No Doubt via Pat Benatar's daughter... ??? More vocal PRODUCTION needed to make it special.

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Pulling down the cymbals+
Deafening kick & snare + a touch of auto tune + long trailing delay / reverb at the end of lines on the choruses (like Licoln Park)
Some timing fixes needed.
Once you have the close mic drums louder try this..
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...hlight=Pistols

All that would make it pleasent contemporary nu metal / emo whatever...

The arangement is just TOO epic for a "beginner band" and gets on your nerves.. Again, not your fault..