ITB Nuendo Mix - Pop/Rock. Critique...

LongWave · 20th July 2008, 03:24 AM

Just finished producing a record with this band.

Check out one of the mixes. let me know what you think.

Tracked at my studio, mixed in Nuendo.
any critique would be excellent.

cheers

edcampos · 20th July 2008, 03:52 AM

Nice mix! I would bring up the vox a bit (.5-1db) on the chorus but everything else sounds really good to me. Maybe turn the guitars down by .5 or 1db.

Ed

LongWave · 20th July 2008, 04:13 AM

hey ed,

thanks for listening.
yeah the gtrs were tricky int he chorus, i wanted to give it that very forward guitar sound but finding the right level for it was tricky!
i hear you on the vox comment, again, tricky to place. maybe i will budge them up a tad. i dont want them to stick out toooo much though.

cheers for the ears!

we are analog · 20th July 2008, 04:27 AM

Wow...this sounds AWESOME. Excellent work my friend...I love how full and clear it is.

LongWave · 20th July 2008, 05:17 AM

cheers man!

LongWave · 21st July 2008, 10:42 PM

Slap Back · 22nd July 2008, 01:55 AM

That bass tone rocks.

Do your drums get reverberated ITB or is that the actual drum room I'm hearing?
Sounds like its all there to me!

It is very slick and modern, but I like the way you preserve a natural sounding midrange at the same time. Nothing scooped or fake sounding.

Superb translation to my little computer speakers. To me thats the acid test.

Beyersound · 22nd July 2008, 11:26 AM

Excellent mix! I've not heard one of this quality on Gearslutz before. My only criticism is that I would like to hear a bit more life in the snare and toms. Maybe less compression, or a different one, and a maybe some more edge to it. What did you use on it, and how much? Was it buss only, track only, or both? Still quite an impressive mix no matter what. Great Vocals(that singer sure didn't hurt) and guitars.

Todd · 22nd July 2008, 07:35 PM

Fantastic!!
If you could get up the nerve to back away from the volume wars
a bit, it would be completely amazing.

Everything is so slammed to 0 these days. it sucks.

T

usamike · 23rd July 2008, 07:52 AM

You did a great job. No notes other than well done.

LongWave · 23rd July 2008, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slap Back

That bass tone rocks.

Do your drums get reverberated ITB or is that the actual drum room I'm hearing?
.

hey slapback,

its about 80% room, 20% reverb plugin.

there are a few room mics...i usually have a stereo room pair setup with a pair of 4033a's, then a u87 room slammed throuhg a distressor, and a crunchy i5 dynamic going through an 1176 and fatso. all in different areas. i use them according to what i need. i.e. 2nd verse is mainly the u87 as i wanted the centre to be focused and wanted it sounding a little bit mono.

eddierodriguez · 23rd July 2008, 05:00 PM

nice work!

turn the hihat down by 3db on the "solo tickling" part and 0,5 to 1db generally.

git down and bass up.

bass sounds too mono, spread it a bit.

snare and toms could sound more attacked, volume fits fine.

vocals could take a push at about 250-350.

s34nsm411 · 23rd July 2008, 05:23 PM

sounds amazing man!

the only thing that stuck out at all to me is that one keyboard synth in the begginning kinda sounds like that effect when a cell phone is by a speaker... doesnt really sound like anything musical to me. i had to search for my phone thinking someone was calling when i heard it :p

thats a really minor complaint though, great work!

swill777 · 23rd July 2008, 10:39 PM

sick dude! that mix sounds awesome! what mics/pres/gear did you use??

LongWave · 23rd July 2008, 11:50 PM

pre's were api's, vintech 1073 clones, and audient pre's from the desk. and an avalon 737

drums were mainly 1073 and api,
guitars were 2 amps running at same time (mesa/marshall). 2 mics on each cab, 57 going to 1073, 121 going to api (x2 for each cab).
vox was gemini > api > distressor

cheers!

MarkRB · 24th July 2008, 12:02 AM

Great sounds!

The whole thing is pretty darn squashed though. The intro is the loudest part.

My only crits would be the breakdown before the final chorus. The guitars sound gated in an unnatural way, and the choruses do sound a little cut and paste. It would be good to get something else in on the last chorus to lift it a smidge.

I am totally picking nits though. Its a great mix!

norman_nomad · 24th July 2008, 04:28 AM

Sounds great... but really needs some macro dynamic fades. The chorus sounds small in comparison to the verse.

It's a great sounding chorus.. just need to be *actually* louder than the verse, rather than implying more loudness like it's doing right now.

All IMHO.

soundsundergroun · 24th July 2008, 12:57 PM

sounds like you have some anti-phase going on.

soundsundergroun · 24th July 2008, 01:06 PM

scratch that...I think my monitoring is ****ed up...at work on crappy speakers.

defjamm · 25th July 2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norman_nomad

Sounds great... but really needs some macro dynamic fades. The chorus sounds small in comparison to the verse.

It's a great sounding chorus.. just need to be *actually* louder than the verse, rather than implying more loudness like it's doing right now.

All IMHO.

+1

what did you use on your master bus?

dmbandtimmy · 30th July 2008, 06:42 PM

Dude, you are a stalion! That sounds awesome just like the rest of your stuff. I wish I could produce and record like that.

LongWave · 30th July 2008, 08:49 PM

it is an SSL Compressor on the 2buss from the Duende

cagils · 3rd August 2008, 11:48 AM

Great mix and really good song. If I have to nitpick, I would say maybe turn up the vox vol. on the chorus a little. Also git can be a little more warm/colored than this for my taste. Other than these I don't know what can be improved, it is really good, congrats.

LongWave · 3rd August 2008, 08:40 PM

cool! thanks!

gundling · 3rd August 2008, 09:10 PM

sounds great man. glad to hear others using steinberg out there. and, gulp, someone else not afraid to mention they use their 737 :)

csilt · 3rd August 2008, 11:19 PM

God it's like throwing gold to a bunch of pigs on this forum. The pigs are scrambling around their pig pin rooting around in the mud not knowing what to do with the gold they've been given. So many ignorant people posting comments on a mix they couldn't even begin to approach...

NeoVXR · 4th August 2008, 02:04 AM

pretty cool!

I totally love the vocals.

but forgive me I not a fan of these keyboard sounds.
1) at the beginning in the left ear it sounds like an accidental distortion
2) 0:45 etc keyboard sounds something like digital while guitars sound analog, also 2:00 the vcf part (to pack it into the most simple wording - I would have used the most dirty available analog chorus stomp box and a minimoog if I had one.)
ok I say this a s a DX7 + D70 player ;)

from the taste, I like genres with a bit more transparent guitar sounds.
but I see the very positive comments here so it's only me.

csilt · 4th August 2008, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoVXR

but forgive me I not a fan of these keyboard sounds.
1) at the beginning in the left ear it sounds like an accidental distortion
2) 0:45 etc keyboard sounds something like digital while guitars sound analog, also 2:00 the vcf part (to pack it into the most simple wording - I would have used the most dirty available analog chorus stomp box and a minimoog if I had one.)
ok I say this a s a DX7 + D70 player ;)

from the taste, I like genres with a bit more transparent guitar sounds.

Who gives a shit about your taste unless you present one of your mixes that sound even close to this?

Exactly, you mixes sound like Radio Shack Crap with Casio keyboards. Go **** yourself asshole!!!

NeoVXR · 4th August 2008, 02:33 AM

nee-how btw, it's my pleasure..

csilt · 4th August 2008, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoVXR

nee-how btw, it's my pleasure..

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LongWave Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 400	bump

22nd July 2008, 11:26 AM	#8
Beyersound Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vegas Posts: 573	Excellent mix! I've not heard one of this quality on Gearslutz before. My only criticism is that I would like to hear a bit more life in the snare and toms. Maybe less compression, or a different one, and a maybe some more edge to it. What did you use on it, and how much? Was it buss only, track only, or both? Still quite an impressive mix no matter what. Great Vocals(that singer sure didn't hurt) and guitars. __________________ Beyersound Protools is great for Corporate America, the rest of us want real choices!!!! ""Musicians should learn...the fundamentals, just like a baseball player. Run, hit, throw. And if you don't know that stuff, you'll never be a major leaguer. It's an old fashioned, cranky way of thinking, but I'm sorry, there's no easy way. You can go on American Idol and scream your head off, but if you can't play an axe, I'm not going to respect you." --Billy Joel www.myspace.com/beyeraudio

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23rd July 2008, 05:00 PM	#12
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20th July 2008, 03:52 AM	#2
edcampos Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Miami, FL/Boston, MA Posts: 403	Nice mix! I would bring up the vox a bit (.5-1db) on the chorus but everything else sounds really good to me. Maybe turn the guitars down by .5 or 1db. Ed

20th July 2008, 04:13 AM	#3
LongWave Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 400	hey ed, thanks for listening. yeah the gtrs were tricky int he chorus, i wanted to give it that very forward guitar sound but finding the right level for it was tricky! i hear you on the vox comment, again, tricky to place. maybe i will budge them up a tad. i dont want them to stick out toooo much though. cheers for the ears!

20th July 2008, 04:27 AM	#4
we are analog Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County Posts: 75	Wow...this sounds AWESOME. Excellent work my friend...I love how full and clear it is.

20th July 2008, 05:17 AM	#5
LongWave Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 400	cheers man!

22nd July 2008, 01:55 AM	#7
Slap Back Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 110	That bass tone rocks. Do your drums get reverberated ITB or is that the actual drum room I'm hearing? Sounds like its all there to me! It is very slick and modern, but I like the way you preserve a natural sounding midrange at the same time. Nothing scooped or fake sounding. Superb translation to my little computer speakers. To me thats the acid test.

22nd July 2008, 07:35 PM	#9
Todd Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 128	Fantastic!! If you could get up the nerve to back away from the volume wars a bit, it would be completely amazing. Everything is so slammed to 0 these days. it sucks. T

23rd July 2008, 05:23 PM	#13
s34nsm411 Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 140	sounds amazing man! the only thing that stuck out at all to me is that one keyboard synth in the begginning kinda sounds like that effect when a cell phone is by a speaker... doesnt really sound like anything musical to me. i had to search for my phone thinking someone was calling when i heard it :p thats a really minor complaint though, great work!

23rd July 2008, 10:39 PM	#14
swill777 Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 47	sick dude! that mix sounds awesome! what mics/pres/gear did you use?? __________________ -- Andy http://myspace.com/listentovictor

23rd July 2008, 11:50 PM	#15
LongWave Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 400	pre's were api's, vintech 1073 clones, and audient pre's from the desk. and an avalon 737 drums were mainly 1073 and api, guitars were 2 amps running at same time (mesa/marshall). 2 mics on each cab, 57 going to 1073, 121 going to api (x2 for each cab). vox was gemini > api > distressor cheers!

24th July 2008, 12:02 AM	#16
MarkRB Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 952	Great sounds! The whole thing is pretty darn squashed though. The intro is the loudest part. My only crits would be the breakdown before the final chorus. The guitars sound gated in an unnatural way, and the choruses do sound a little cut and paste. It would be good to get something else in on the last chorus to lift it a smidge. I am totally picking nits though. Its a great mix!

24th July 2008, 04:28 AM	#17
norman_nomad Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,706	Sounds great... but really needs some macro dynamic fades. The chorus sounds small in comparison to the verse. It's a great sounding chorus.. just need to be actually louder than the verse, rather than implying more loudness like it's doing right now. All IMHO.

24th July 2008, 12:57 PM	#18
soundsundergroun Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 136	sounds like you have some anti-phase going on.

24th July 2008, 01:06 PM	#19
soundsundergroun Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 136	scratch that...I think my monitoring is ****ed up...at work on crappy speakers.

30th July 2008, 06:42 PM	#21
dmbandtimmy Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 38	Dude, you are a stalion! That sounds awesome just like the rest of your stuff. I wish I could produce and record like that.

30th July 2008, 08:49 PM	#22
LongWave Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 400	it is an SSL Compressor on the 2buss from the Duende

3rd August 2008, 11:48 AM	#23
cagils Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Great mix and really good song. If I have to nitpick, I would say maybe turn up the vox vol. on the chorus a little. Also git can be a little more warm/colored than this for my taste. Other than these I don't know what can be improved, it is really good, congrats.

3rd August 2008, 08:40 PM	#24
LongWave Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 400	cool! thanks!

3rd August 2008, 09:10 PM	#25
gundling Gear nut Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 124	sounds great man. glad to hear others using steinberg out there. and, gulp, someone else not afraid to mention they use their 737 :)

3rd August 2008, 11:19 PM	#26
csilt Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 45	God it's like throwing gold to a bunch of pigs on this forum. The pigs are scrambling around their pig pin rooting around in the mud not knowing what to do with the gold they've been given. So many ignorant people posting comments on a mix they couldn't even begin to approach...

4th August 2008, 02:04 AM	#27
NeoVXR Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,164	pretty cool! I totally love the vocals. but forgive me I not a fan of these keyboard sounds. 1) at the beginning in the left ear it sounds like an accidental distortion 2) 0:45 etc keyboard sounds something like digital while guitars sound analog, also 2:00 the vcf part (to pack it into the most simple wording - I would have used the most dirty available analog chorus stomp box and a minimoog if I had one.) ok I say this a s a DX7 + D70 player ;) from the taste, I like genres with a bit more transparent guitar sounds. but I see the very positive comments here so it's only me. __________________ sorry 4 poor english

4th August 2008, 02:33 AM	#29
NeoVXR Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,164	nee-how btw, it's my pleasure.. __________________ sorry 4 poor english

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