rock/hardcore mix feat. DIEZEL HERBERT

suiseidl · 4th April 2008, 05:05 PM

i think this amp rocks! first time i recorded the guitars with one. btw hows the mix? plz comment ;-)

suiseidl · 9th April 2008, 02:26 PM

lol! 148 views and not one single comment... u guys forgotten how to use that thing with the all the little buttons in front of you? ;-)

CorkyTart · 10th April 2008, 04:12 AM

I'll comment. I think the guitar sounds amazing. I'd like to add that I recently got an Einstein and I'm finding it to sound very similar to the Herbert clips. Great job.

Thijsemans · 11th April 2008, 02:59 PM

The guitars sound very good to me. Maybe a bit too loud to my opinion.

cfdude · 11th April 2008, 05:00 PM

The guitars sound great, vocals are great too. I would change the eq on the kick drum. You need to have a beater sound, but what ever you did is not working. It's stands out too much. Eq it out a little or something. Otherwise nice job!

memetto · 12th April 2008, 10:39 PM

guitars sound great !

what mic/s did you use ?

Energie · 13th April 2008, 06:31 AM

Man

Deizel's are BRUTAL!! I love their sound. Guitars are a bit too loud, but they sound amazingly full

suiseidl · 13th April 2008, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memetto

guitars sound great !

what mic/s did you use ?

i used a neumann tlm127, akg c414 xls and an sm57 w/ tab funkenwerk mod, all mics at equal volume in the mix.

jeremynothman · 13th April 2008, 01:33 PM

guitars are a touch too loud in the mix - i can't really make out the vocals.
I agree that the kick isn't quite right for me

eddyrox · 30th May 2008, 11:25 PM

FU*KNG brutal! Loved it!

Don't change anything.

LSD-Studio · 31st May 2008, 01:07 AM

good job.
guitars sound AWESOME!

Audio Hombre · 31st May 2008, 03:06 AM

guitars sound well tracked and well played- just 2 fackin loud

sounds like they're suckin 90% of the tracks total headroom.

mr breaker · 31st May 2008, 03:36 AM

Maybe turn the guitars down A HAIR. Great sound... and I like 'em loud in the mix for this tune.

Noize919 · 2nd June 2008, 04:23 AM

Sounds awesome man, good job!

are the guitars double tracked and panned hard L and R?

also, what kind of compression and eq (if any) did you do to them. seems like you had to do something to tighten up the bottom end a bit.

guitarwes · 2nd June 2008, 06:59 AM

This is the worst load of garbage that I've ever heard!

Just Kidding! Sounds awesome dude. Agreed with the other posters... tracking info please???

suiseidl · 2nd June 2008, 06:26 PM

ok, thanx for all the positive feedback! ;-)
heres the tracking info, as far as i can remember:

guitar was a gibson les paul (dunno which model), straight into the diezel herbert (no stompboxes or anything in between), marshall cab (jcm something 4x10)

amp settings:
cant remember which channel we used, but something with hi gain for sure, dont know the knob settings for the gain. eq on the amp: turned down the bass to around 9 o'clock (this amp is truly overkill in the lows!), mids and highs at about 2-3 o'clock.

mics:
neumann tlm 127, akg c414 xls, shure sm 57 with tab funkenwerk mod. position for all the mics was a bit off center, pointing straight at the edge of the "inner circle" of the speaker (dunno what to call that bit of the speaker in english, the german word is "kalotte"). distance to the grill of the cab was about 1 inch. the mics were positioned so the signals were all phase-aligned. (did some test recordings, then zoomed in on the tracks to see if all the waveforms were all aligned correctly, then moved the mics closer or further away and did some more test recordings to check again)

pres + a/d:
api 3124+, gain was set so the guitars occasionally went into "red". pre out into focusrite isa 428 a/d inputs into digi002 via adat, 24 bit, 44.1

tracking:
rh guitar one take left and identical take for right, recording all 3 mics.

lead guitars one take left and one take right, identical takes, recording all three mics (that makes a total of 12 guitar tracks, rh + lead)

mix:
itb pro tools le, all 6 rh guitar tracks bounced into 1 stereo track, all 3 mics same volume, panned 100% left and right, same for lead guitars. eq on the stereo track was waves ssl channel, lo cut at about 100, slight dip at about 1 khz and 3 khz, slight hi boost at about 8 khz.

thats about it... later on i found out that waves api 550b eq would have been cooler for guitars, the ssl sounds a bit cleaner, the api adds in a bit of its "personal character", if you can say this in the digital domain ;-)

fuzzyguitars · 12th June 2008, 09:36 PM

sounds great.

guitars mixed just right, when the vocals arent going.

too loud when vocals going.

i listen to this type of music alot.

bass drum taking up too much space.

te-problematique · 13th June 2008, 12:24 AM

man I think the kick works sweet on my shitty little wharfedale + nad internet pc system...sounds real pro congrats

twilight · 16th June 2008, 09:03 AM

absolutely brutal guitar sounds, well done!

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9th April 2008, 02:26 PM	#2
suiseidl Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 55	lol! 148 views and not one single comment... u guys forgotten how to use that thing with the all the little buttons in front of you? ;-)

10th April 2008, 04:12 AM	#3
CorkyTart Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a house Posts: 1,149	I'll comment. I think the guitar sounds amazing. I'd like to add that I recently got an Einstein and I'm finding it to sound very similar to the Herbert clips. Great job.

11th April 2008, 02:59 PM	#4
Thijsemans Gear Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Leeuwarden, Netherlands Posts: 39	The guitars sound very good to me. Maybe a bit too loud to my opinion.

11th April 2008, 05:00 PM	#5
cfdude Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 80	The guitars sound great, vocals are great too. I would change the eq on the kick drum. You need to have a beater sound, but what ever you did is not working. It's stands out too much. Eq it out a little or something. Otherwise nice job!

12th April 2008, 10:39 PM	#6
memetto Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 17	guitars sound great ! what mic/s did you use ?

13th April 2008, 06:31 AM	#7
Energie Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 804	Man Deizel's are BRUTAL!! I love their sound. Guitars are a bit too loud, but they sound amazingly full

13th April 2008, 01:33 PM	#9
jeremynothman Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 139	guitars are a touch too loud in the mix - i can't really make out the vocals. I agree that the kick isn't quite right for me

30th May 2008, 11:25 PM	#10
eddyrox Gear interested Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1	FU*KNG brutal! Loved it! Don't change anything.

31st May 2008, 03:06 AM	#12
Audio Hombre Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 987	guitars sound well tracked and well played- just 2 fackin loud sounds like they're suckin 90% of the tracks total headroom.

31st May 2008, 03:36 AM	#13
mr breaker Gear interested Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 8	Maybe turn the guitars down A HAIR. Great sound... and I like 'em loud in the mix for this tune.

2nd June 2008, 04:23 AM	#14
Noize919 Gear nut Join Date: May 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 121	Sounds awesome man, good job! are the guitars double tracked and panned hard L and R? also, what kind of compression and eq (if any) did you do to them. seems like you had to do something to tighten up the bottom end a bit.

2nd June 2008, 06:26 PM	#16
suiseidl Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 55	ok, thanx for all the positive feedback! ;-) heres the tracking info, as far as i can remember: guitar was a gibson les paul (dunno which model), straight into the diezel herbert (no stompboxes or anything in between), marshall cab (jcm something 4x10) amp settings: cant remember which channel we used, but something with hi gain for sure, dont know the knob settings for the gain. eq on the amp: turned down the bass to around 9 o'clock (this amp is truly overkill in the lows!), mids and highs at about 2-3 o'clock. mics: neumann tlm 127, akg c414 xls, shure sm 57 with tab funkenwerk mod. position for all the mics was a bit off center, pointing straight at the edge of the "inner circle" of the speaker (dunno what to call that bit of the speaker in english, the german word is "kalotte"). distance to the grill of the cab was about 1 inch. the mics were positioned so the signals were all phase-aligned. (did some test recordings, then zoomed in on the tracks to see if all the waveforms were all aligned correctly, then moved the mics closer or further away and did some more test recordings to check again) pres + a/d: api 3124+, gain was set so the guitars occasionally went into "red". pre out into focusrite isa 428 a/d inputs into digi002 via adat, 24 bit, 44.1 tracking: rh guitar one take left and identical take for right, recording all 3 mics. lead guitars one take left and one take right, identical takes, recording all three mics (that makes a total of 12 guitar tracks, rh + lead) mix: itb pro tools le, all 6 rh guitar tracks bounced into 1 stereo track, all 3 mics same volume, panned 100% left and right, same for lead guitars. eq on the stereo track was waves ssl channel, lo cut at about 100, slight dip at about 1 khz and 3 khz, slight hi boost at about 8 khz. thats about it... later on i found out that waves api 550b eq would have been cooler for guitars, the ssl sounds a bit cleaner, the api adds in a bit of its "personal character", if you can say this in the digital domain ;-)

12th June 2008, 09:36 PM	#17
fuzzyguitars Gear Head Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 31	sounds great. guitars mixed just right, when the vocals arent going. too loud when vocals going. i listen to this type of music alot. bass drum taking up too much space.

13th June 2008, 12:24 AM	#18
te-problematique Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 87	man I think the kick works sweet on my shitty little wharfedale + nad internet pc system...sounds real pro congrats