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22nd April 2004, 10:42 AM
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| Jules' Sex Pistols / Foo Fighters guitar / kick sidechain trick Here is a production where I grouped the guitars and bass and made the kick drum 'kick them all in the throat' - via a compressor across that group triggered by the kick drum. I did this to get a 'car stereo / PA system flipping out' type of sound. I find I am kind of obssesed with the Sex Pistols sound, ala "Holidays in the Sun" I kinda over did it.... kar-azee I guess! But I still like it! Especially in the chorus's Band is called The Dopamine Theory, (looking for a deal, manager etc) |
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22nd April 2004, 10:44 AM
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22nd April 2004, 11:44 AM
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| How much GR is there on every Kick-hit  ?
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22nd April 2004, 11:56 AM
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| ah, ducking. one of my all time favorite audio production devices. a real lost art, like creative gating. --rl,nyc |
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22nd April 2004, 12:13 PM
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| 2-4 db say at 9:1 ratio Fast attack (tune to the tempo of the song) Fast release (tune to the tempo of the song) In PT Waves C1 Sony McDSP compressorbank Can all do it well In the analog world Drawmer 231 BSS 401 (?) Beheringer Composer Are good for the task.. |
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22nd April 2004, 12:22 PM
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But personally I would'n like to run my Guitars+Bass through a Behringer Composer... Or is that just me?  
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22nd April 2004, 12:39 PM
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| Well it WAS last on the list! However...... not that it is any sort of stamp of quality, but I used one for about 3 years for just this task... worked fine.. I also ran an uncopressed group on the board so the signal only 'half' was via the Beheringer... |
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22nd April 2004, 12:46 PM
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__________________ ***** GRTX GIE ** _________________________________________ "If you can limit your choices so that every decision supports a specific production goal, that's what makes great records." [Geoff Emerick] |
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22nd April 2004, 11:11 PM
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| jeez, Jules. You're pretty good at this. The kick trigger example is very illuminating.
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25th April 2004, 09:37 AM
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| Sounds great! I don't think you overdid it either, it really pumps. Cheers, Rich |
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25th April 2004, 09:44 AM
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| I think in future I will make a point to 'automate / ride' the send to the compressor sidechain! |
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25th April 2004, 07:28 PM
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| That is cool! It gives the impression that it's really cranked without having the 2-mix pump. |
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25th April 2004, 09:09 PM
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| Keep on Jules, never mind the bollocks ruudman |
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26th April 2004, 05:09 PM
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| I just tried this on a song I was mixing yesterday that I thought would work with this trick. It sounded boring by comparison when I bypassed it. Plus it cleared a little room in the busy mix. |
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27th April 2004, 04:33 AM
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| I also use this but in my case the kick was compressing all the band except for the lead vocal and some FX... Worked fine... and once everything was compressed it put the vocal out of the band 5 dB of comp with R-Compressor threshold=-18 ratio=5/1 adjust output gain to taste mazaga |
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27th April 2004, 07:57 AM
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| rock on Pistoleros! We dont need no steenking badges!  LAMF |
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27th April 2004, 03:35 PM
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| "MAMA TAKE THESE BADGES FROM ME.... I CANīT USE THEM ANYMORE... FELL LIKE KNOCKIN ON HEAVENīS DOOR..."  this topic is sure to be a good one for new thread... mazaga |
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30th April 2004, 10:11 AM
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| Jules, sounds pretty good, man, not just the sidechain compression. How did you recorded/mixed the track? shapemod |
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8th May 2004, 01:17 PM
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| very nice ... rocknroll |
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12th May 2004, 11:10 PM
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| jules this is really pumpin. i like the song very much and the tracking/mixing too. although the ducking is cool the guitars seem chopped to me. the sustain of the chords are ducked too far for me. if the guitars would have been played more staccato perhaps i didnīt realize it at all, but in this case the chord have sustains over some few kick hits. hm. but for people they like the kick most i guess its great its really interesting what happens when the kick got the whole 16 bit to expand to its full possible dynamic range  are there more songs to hear from this band? |
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12th May 2004, 11:13 PM
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| BTW: why didnīt you use the STC-8 for that job? |
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12th May 2004, 11:16 PM
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| STC-8 was occupied on the mix bus... Shapemod - I just used the whole studio on em!
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13th May 2004, 10:15 AM
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| I see, I thought it was an other Jules because there was no picture of you on this thread and stuff. Very nice Gearslutz dinner in Berlin, by the way, was good taking to you and all the other guys(especially Dave Derr, the father of my beloved Distressors!) Thanks for this forum! shapemod (sebastian) |
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15th May 2004, 06:48 AM
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| Fuh - kin - A !!! Gotta try that trick yo. |
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15th May 2004, 01:11 PM
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| Re: Jules' Sex Pistols / Foo Fighters guitar / kick sidechain trick Quote:
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17th May 2004, 08:41 PM
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| This is way cool....I will be giving this a try. Great work Jules.
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19th May 2004, 12:11 AM
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 | I've been doing that ducker trick with Kick and Snare... not super durastic (1-3 db), and leaving the bass (sometimes) and vocals outside it. Good glue factor. Also ITB, I trigger the sidechain with duplicate kick and snare tracks nudged forward a little so that the duck happens right as the kick or snare hits... not a little after... tightens it up a bit. ROCK 'N ROLL BABY! |
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19th May 2004, 04:42 PM
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| I just heard this trick on a tool album. |
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19th May 2004, 06:16 PM
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| Yes this trick is awesome. Applies this to my latest mix, and even though the mix was good, I now think it a great. Thanks.
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