OK, Try this one (live and die)

JKL · 12th April 2004, 10:44 PM

I posted an earlier version of this in "Lend me your ears". Got some great feedback and went to work. Stayed up 'til 7:30 this morning re-doing some guitar tracks. Sting has left the buiding. Enter U-2. I still don't have a "lead guitar" track per se, but maybe I don't need one. What do you think? Thanks Lee and Mario for the comments on the first draft.

Jon

JKL · 13th April 2004, 04:10 PM

Well, ok,
How 'bout the guitars. Obviously a ton of delay on them. Does anyone think I over did it? Does anyone care? (sniff) Think I'll go eat some worms...

Jon

Mario-C. · 15th April 2004, 09:31 AM

hey, we're here, been hella busy, I downloaded this new version, i'll be back later with more comments ...

studjo · 17th April 2004, 12:17 PM

The drums don't feel that "warm" to me (ok I know nice wording;)
I would like to hear them more "analog" - If that makes any sense.
Quite a ton of delays on the guit. Perhaps a little too much, but who knows.

Cool song Jo

JKL · 17th April 2004, 03:59 PM

IT'S ALIVE!!!

I hear where you're coming from Studjo. I think maybe I'm a bit too liberal with the compressors on the drums. They're a bit flat (at least the snare is). I'll keep that one in mind on the next bounce. I'm not entirely thrilled with the drum sound, and comments like yours will keep me from settling for it, if you know what I mean. Guitars got tracked in the wee hours WITH the delay (pod, shhhh), but I think I can tone them down a little somehow, I'll check it out.

Thanks much

Jon

studjo · 17th April 2004, 11:40 PM

pssssssssssssst - don't tell anyone it's a Pod-noone would care. The guitars sounded good to me (just too much delay)

Jo

Mario-C. · 18th April 2004, 01:03 AM

i agree the guitars are lil' too wet... at times the (new) guitar ideas sound focused and at times it sounds like you're just jamming, ( maybe a more constructed part a la andy summers would work? ), i think in this particular tune everything would benefit from a "less is more" approach, I'd try to play for the song more, i bring that up mainly because the guitar distracted me from the vocal at times, i kinda missed the acoustic guitar too ...

all very subjective of course, everything i typed is just my opinion, hope it helps

JKL · 20th April 2004, 12:09 AM

I want to thank you folks for taking the time to give me some feedback. I toned down the "echo madness" guitars so that they're more of a background part, and I've changed the bass line up so it doesn't get so repetitive towards the end. Also brought some of the BG parts more toward the front of the mix. I also did some stuff with the drums so that they have a little more life to them (hopefully). I'll definatetly need a solo guitar now that the other parts are in the BG. Anyway, the next time I post this tune it'll be what I consider finished, and I'll put it up in the other forum. I'm still waiting on the guitar player...
Anybody feel like they could lay down a tasty lead track to this bad boy? (synth or guitar). I don't know if it's cool to ask such a thing, but, hell I'm not too proud

.

I know there's mucho talent lurking about this forum, and I'll bet I could make an mp3 lead work (to save on bandwidth) Let me know if you're up for a little experimentation.

Thanks,

Jon

rynugz007 · 20th April 2004, 07:02 PM

this song sounds scary close to "pets" by porno for pyros and It sounds like the band is very aware of that. Other than that the mix sounds great. Production kinda has a late 80's early 90's crowded house vibe going on which is not a bad thing IMO.

JKL · 20th April 2004, 07:20 PM

Thanks for the feedback rynugz,

I'm glad that you refer to the song in a "band" context, cuz it's all me and overdubs, but I'd rather not have it sound that way. I've never heard any porno for pyros, but you've piqued my interest and I'll see if I can find something on them. Thanks for the mix compliment. It's still a work in progress, hopefully it will be done this week...

Jon

rynugz007 · 20th April 2004, 07:50 PM

did you play the drum kit on this or is it loops or what? Nice job either way.

Porno for pyro's is what perry ferrell did after jane's addiction broke up. "pets" was their hit and probably my favorite PFP song.

faeflora · 20th April 2004, 09:24 PM

The vocal doesn't fit in with the mix right. It needs some different fx.

JKL · 20th April 2004, 09:36 PM

Me on accoustic drums. My booth is small so it's hard to get any kind of ambience (worth using anyway), but they beat the hell out of the electronic kit I was using. Faeflora, thanks for popping in. Vocal is me trying to imitate someone who can sing

and will be replaced soon.

Jon

faeflora · 20th April 2004, 09:45 PM

Actually if I were mixing it, I'd dry up everything else and wetten the vocal.

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20th April 2004, 12:09 AM	#8
JKL Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 198	I want to thank you folks for taking the time to give me some feedback. I toned down the "echo madness" guitars so that they're more of a background part, and I've changed the bass line up so it doesn't get so repetitive towards the end. Also brought some of the BG parts more toward the front of the mix. I also did some stuff with the drums so that they have a little more life to them (hopefully). I'll definatetly need a solo guitar now that the other parts are in the BG. Anyway, the next time I post this tune it'll be what I consider finished, and I'll put it up in the other forum. I'm still waiting on the guitar player... Anybody feel like they could lay down a tasty lead track to this bad boy? (synth or guitar). I don't know if it's cool to ask such a thing, but, hell I'm not too proud. I know there's mucho talent lurking about this forum, and I'll bet I could make an mp3 lead work (to save on bandwidth) Let me know if you're up for a little experimentation. Thanks, Jon

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rynugz007 Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: cincinnati, OH Posts: 308	did you play the drum kit on this or is it loops or what? Nice job either way. Porno for pyro's is what perry ferrell did after jane's addiction broke up. "pets" was their hit and probably my favorite PFP song. __________________ "heres 50 bucks in case i call you a bitch later"

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13th April 2004, 04:10 PM	#2
JKL Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 198	Well, ok, How 'bout the guitars. Obviously a ton of delay on them. Does anyone think I over did it? Does anyone care? (sniff) Think I'll go eat some worms... Jon

15th April 2004, 09:31 AM	#3
Mario-C. Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mexico City Posts: 578	hey, we're here, been hella busy, I downloaded this new version, i'll be back later with more comments ...

17th April 2004, 12:17 PM	#4
studjo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,884	The drums don't feel that "warm" to me (ok I know nice wording;) I would like to hear them more "analog" - If that makes any sense. Quite a ton of delays on the guit. Perhaps a little too much, but who knows. Cool song Jo

17th April 2004, 03:59 PM	#5
JKL Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 198	IT'S ALIVE!!! I hear where you're coming from Studjo. I think maybe I'm a bit too liberal with the compressors on the drums. They're a bit flat (at least the snare is). I'll keep that one in mind on the next bounce. I'm not entirely thrilled with the drum sound, and comments like yours will keep me from settling for it, if you know what I mean. Guitars got tracked in the wee hours WITH the delay (pod, shhhh), but I think I can tone them down a little somehow, I'll check it out. Thanks much Jon

17th April 2004, 11:40 PM	#6
studjo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,884	pssssssssssssst - don't tell anyone it's a Pod-noone would care. The guitars sounded good to me (just too much delay) Jo

18th April 2004, 01:03 AM	#7
Mario-C. Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mexico City Posts: 578	i agree the guitars are lil' too wet... at times the (new) guitar ideas sound focused and at times it sounds like you're just jamming, ( maybe a more constructed part a la andy summers would work? ), i think in this particular tune everything would benefit from a "less is more" approach, I'd try to play for the song more, i bring that up mainly because the guitar distracted me from the vocal at times, i kinda missed the acoustic guitar too ... all very subjective of course, everything i typed is just my opinion, hope it helps

20th April 2004, 07:02 PM	#9
rynugz007 Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: cincinnati, OH Posts: 308	this song sounds scary close to "pets" by porno for pyros and It sounds like the band is very aware of that. Other than that the mix sounds great. Production kinda has a late 80's early 90's crowded house vibe going on which is not a bad thing IMO.

20th April 2004, 07:20 PM	#10
JKL Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 198	Thanks for the feedback rynugz, I'm glad that you refer to the song in a "band" context, cuz it's all me and overdubs, but I'd rather not have it sound that way. I've never heard any porno for pyros, but you've piqued my interest and I'll see if I can find something on them. Thanks for the mix compliment. It's still a work in progress, hopefully it will be done this week... Jon

20th April 2004, 09:24 PM	#12
faeflora Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,010	The vocal doesn't fit in with the mix right. It needs some different fx.

20th April 2004, 09:36 PM	#13
JKL Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 198	Me on accoustic drums. My booth is small so it's hard to get any kind of ambience (worth using anyway), but they beat the hell out of the electronic kit I was using. Faeflora, thanks for popping in. Vocal is me trying to imitate someone who can sing and will be replaced soon. Jon

20th April 2004, 09:45 PM	#14
faeflora Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,010	Actually if I were mixing it, I'd dry up everything else and wetten the vocal.