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5th April 2004, 06:43 AM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NJ
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| Have a listen... Just something that i thought i'd share... tracked and mixed last summer at my home studio, mastered by Brad Blackwood. Can't wait to hear some thoughts! |
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5th April 2004, 07:09 AM
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| Gear nut  Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chicago IL
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| It's Great ! Could you share your recording and mix medium (if you dont mind).Very solid work! |
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5th April 2004, 07:39 AM
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| Sure JFernandez... can't sleep so it'll be my pleasure tonight! Band is called Beyond Mirth, recording was produced by the band's frontman, who is also my production partner... I handled all engineering & mixing Tracked into DP3 via MOTU 1224 and Lucid AD9624 Drumset: Yamaha Maple Custom, 22" 12" 14" 16", Slingerland 1960's brass snare 14"x6", assortment of large brass discs that drummer beats obnoxiously in caveman-like fashion Kick - Senn 602, Neve 1093, can't recall my EQing exactly but i know i scooped a little low mid out (3-4dB), maybe a little 3.4k narrow boost, no compression during tracking Snare - 57 on top, directly above rim and aimed at center, Neve 1093, again scooped a little low mid, LP'd at 10k while simultaneously boosting narrow at 15k, no compression during tracking Toms - Senn 604s on racks, 609 silver on floor, Tascam DM24 pre's, scooped a little low mid and boosted a little upper mid (anywhere from 2k-4k) a touch. no compression on tracking OHs - Studio Projects C3s, Phoenix DRS2, HP engaged Mono front-of-kit room - Soundelux U195, Neve 1093, no EQ or compression Kick and snare went thru Lucid, all other drum tracks went through 1224 ADs All overdubs went thru Lucid Guitars - 57s on all of 'em thru DRS2, Urei 546 trimming the fat, and Distressor set for 1:1 and Dist 3. Mesa Triple recto on left, Marshall JCM 800 on right, extra middle rythm was a Laney tube head, all rythms were a "magical blue" PRS Custom 24 that may be the best sounding guitar i've ever heard, all cabs were Rivera 4x12 with Celestion 80w Leads Bass - Musicman Stingray 5-string, Little Labs Multi-Z DI, Ampeg SVT head w/8x10, 421 into DRS2, no EQ, a little Distression, maybe 4:1 with moderate attack and release, just enough to control the signal, and Dist 3 Vocals - Soundelux U195, DRS2, Manley ElOp, 4-7dB all around, singer has great control, no EQ Mixing: Tascam DM24 I remember using the Manley ElOp on bass and again on lead vocal during the mix, and a Distressor on the snare. Verb was a TC M3000, with a D2 delay on vocals. If you have any specifics I'll look them up... Sometimes insomnia is fun!  |
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5th April 2004, 05:08 PM
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| Gear nut  Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Orlando, FL
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| Sounds awesome!! I was wondering if you could post a higher quality MP3 (like 192kbps) so I can hear all the nitty gritty details. Thanks and great job! |
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5th April 2004, 06:51 PM
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| Thanks Eberrong! Here's a 192kbps mp3... i'm just getting the hang of Itunes! |
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5th April 2004, 06:54 PM
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| And here's another track from those same sessions... |
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6th April 2004, 06:39 PM
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| Any more thoughts? I'm open to any and all constructive criticism |
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6th April 2004, 07:01 PM
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| Goddamn dude! Very chunky, clear, solid mix! More later gotta bail.
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6th April 2004, 07:26 PM
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| Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Orlando, FL
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| This stuff is really great! The production is top notch, I really can't say that anything should be improved. I have a few questions though if you don't mind. I noticed that you used the Phoenix DRS-2 a lot on this track. Seems like you even chose it over your Neve's in a lot of cases. I have been considering this unit as my first major league preamp. Would you recommend the unit as a first quality pre? Also I was wondering if you mix "in the box" or on your Tascam DM24? If "in the box" do you set up send/returns on the MOTU 1224 for your outboard effects? How much of a change did the mastering impose on this track? Again, Great Job! |
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6th April 2004, 07:40 PM
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I mix entirely on the DM24... for the price, it's a really killer console. Any tracks that need analog outboard processing in the mix go out out of DP3 via 1224 DAs into analog units and then into DM24 via analog line ins. All other tracks stay digital via 2408 TDIF connection from DP3 to DM24. The Neve 1093s are actually owned by a buddy of mine, so I borrow them when I know i'm gonna need more quality preamps for things like drum tracking. In return, he borrows my Manley and Distressors for mixes... works out fine except when we both have sessions at the same time! FWIW, I posted a song from a different project that was tracked without the Neves... just the DRS2 and Tascam pres for the drums and throughout: http://gearslutz.com/board/showthrea...threadid=13815 I absolutely love the DRS2 and would recommend it highly to anyone looking for a solid 2-channel unit to cover all-around tasks. The DRS2 was also on the DM24 main outputs, just to add a touch of color and character before hitting the Lucid AD9624 and Masterlink. That was the only bit of 2bus processing, aside from mastering. Brad did a killer mastering job as usual... i've sent him a handful of projects over the past year and they always come back sounding like an enhanced version of what went to him, it's as if there's a chip in my brain so Brad can understand exactly what I was trying to attain... which is what one should ideally want from mastering IMHO. Can't say enough good things about Brad's work  | |
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7th April 2004, 04:57 PM
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| J.P., Your recordings sound great - those drums are bigger and punchier than a lot of big label releases I hear. Two question's... 1) How are the OH's, mono U195, and kick mixed and EQ'ed in relation to one another. 2) How are you using your M3000 on this mix? I have a U195 I want to try in the same spot, and I'm always interested in how others use their M3000. Thanks for sharing.  |
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7th April 2004, 05:14 PM
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 Kick and OH tracks are all at "0", mono track is around -15dB... kick is going through DM24 channel EQ set for +5.5dB at 124hz narrow, -15dB at 354hz mid-Q, +3.5dB shelf at 12k. OHs are also using DM24 EQ, -14dB at 354hz wide, sharp notches at 3.4k and 6k. Mono room, also DM24 EQ, -10dB at 354 mid-Q, -4dB shelf at 8k. Drum buss is going through CLM EQ set for -3dB at 350hz and +4db shelf at 10k. M3000 is setup for dual engine, 2 seperate inputs/mixed stereo output. Channel one is vocal verb, channel 2 is drum room with a length of 0.8s and predelay of 40ms. I send snare, OH, and toms to drum room, with snare send about 5dB hotter than the others. I must admit, the biggest "trick" to my drum recording is my drum tech Dante. The guy comes in, replaces the heads, tunes everything up, takes care of any specifications drummer or producer may have, and literally 9 times out of 10, i throw the mics up and they sound great. The guy makes my life amazing on drum sessions, and he's a great guy to boot. Can't go wrong! | |
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7th April 2004, 05:28 PM
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| Die 350hz  Yes, I need to get myself Dante... What patch# do you like for vocal verb? Thanks for the info. |
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7th April 2004, 05:39 PM
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went a little wild on the low-mid cutting for that project, as the bass and gtrs needed hella room to breathe. But with all that cutting and ripping, i keep getting comments about the drums sounding huge, go figure! It's all relative. BTW, if you're ever tracking drums in NYC or the surrounding area, i'll give you Dante's number For that project, I used "Freak Modulation" for my vocal verb, cause it's barely there yet adds a lot (if that makes any sorta sense). I also like "Vocal Hall 1" a lot for stuff with more room (like the other track I posted on a different thread, from the band Paulson). FWIW, when i first got my M3000 about 3 years ago, i completely butchered a project with reverb abuse... for about a year after that, i was allergic to any audible verb trails on just about anything... since then i've learned a lot about using verb to enhance without overpower. Gotta fall flat on your face once in a while or you're not trying hard enough (thanks for that advice Slip!) Thanks again bassmac! | |
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7th April 2004, 05:40 PM
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  | I'm curious how you place the OH mics? x/y? Spaced pair? |
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7th April 2004, 05:45 PM
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7th April 2004, 05:56 PM
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| JP very cool production, great sound and mix, it rocks.
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7th April 2004, 06:00 PM
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I'm a little overwhelmed by all the kind words, you guys are the best! | |
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9th April 2004, 07:32 AM
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| Re: Have a listen... Quote:
good drums good gtrs good vocals good bass its a winner! Sean
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10th April 2004, 05:46 AM
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Could you post the pre mastered version? Id love to hear the before and after, seeing what polish your ME Brad contributed. Once again, very nice work. Best!
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10th April 2004, 07:47 AM
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| The mix is incredible. The guitars are HUGE, but the bass guitar is very present and coherent. I dream of mixes like this one. |
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10th April 2004, 08:53 PM
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 | Sorry I can't add much more to the thread except to say that everything on these tracks is really impressive- performance, writing, recording, all is totally top shelf. The mix is so clear but really has a lot of room to breathe- my ears aren't getting fatigued. And the songs are more authentic and energetic and less idiotic than the heavy stuff on the radio today. I'm really enjoying every aspect of these songs- the ONE tiny tiny gripe I have is that the snare sounds triggered to me and a little less natural than the other drums. But really, who in the hell cares ;-) I too would love to hear a pre-mastered version of these tracks if you wouldn't mind sharing. |
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11th April 2004, 03:14 AM
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| You guys really are the f'n best! Slip, part of me was hopin you'd rip it apart cause I wanted to learn! By popular demand, here is an unmastered track as it left my studio: |
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11th April 2004, 03:20 AM
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| well you know what? That track rocks also! You're right, I can see how Brad just sort of took the really well crafted mix and brought it to that extra step of "I know what I want but I don't know how to get it" greatness. That's just great! |
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11th April 2004, 03:31 AM
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Funny you mention the guitars being huge, because this was THE project/mix where I realized the importance of relationship and perspective. In other words, I tracked the guitars WAY too big. We cut guitars before bass, and I made the very common mistake of overcompensating for lack of bass with unnecessary bottom/low mids in the guitars. Had an extra 421 on the cabs to fill in what I originally felt was a thin, almost brittle 57. Then once the bass was in there and the fat was trimmed extensively from the drum tracks, I got rid of the 421 track altogether and went to work ripping the 57 tracks with my urei 546... cutting 4-6dB on each of 4 bands per track, HP@150, and LP@10k. Exact Hz depended on which amp we used for given track. And for the first time I realized how the perpecption of "big" is all about the perspective of instruments to each other. Kinda like a moment of clarity  | |
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12th April 2004, 01:34 PM
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| JP - Where can I get a copy of this CD? I really like the band a lot! |
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13th April 2004, 12:16 AM
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| www.BeyondMirth.com, they might have an online store or you could e-mail Dave DeVoe and ask him (BeyondMirth@aol.com). They go for $5 at shows. |
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13th April 2004, 08:20 PM
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| Well, I feel like a broken record, but here goes. That's the best sounding mix of anything I've heard posted on GS. Not my cup of tea musically, but excellent excellent musicianship is recognizable a mile away. Kudos to your band for having, you know, TALENT! Kudos to you for putting it down. It's great. Tunesmith |
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19th April 2004, 03:15 AM
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