For Brad Delp (of Boston) - Page 2

Mikem · 17th July 2007, 03:46 AM

One of our fellow gearslutz requested an uncompressed wave version of the song. I rar'ed it up for him and uploaded it to my site. The link is available upon request, if anyone else is interested. Just send me a PM.

This is my last unsolicited bump post, I promise!

-Mike

ToddF · 17th July 2007, 04:18 AM

Usually with an music post like this I won't listen to the whole thing but I listened all the way to the end. Great job. Made me sad for Brad but in a good way. I never heard any part of the vocal that I thought could have been done any better.

Was this song off Don't Look Back? I will have to get it on CD now. Have the self titled only on CD.

Peace, Todd

Sounds Great · 17th July 2007, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToddF

Usually with an music post like this I won't listen to the whole thing but I listened all the way to the end. Great job. Made me sad for Brad but in a good way. I never heard any part of the vocal that I thought could have been done any better.

Was this song off Don't Look Back? I will have to get it on CD now. Have the self titled only on CD.

Peace, Todd

Yes, 'Don't Look Back', my favorite Boston record.

Though the first is close.

Mikem · 18th July 2007, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToddF

Usually with an music post like this I won't listen to the whole thing but I listened all the way to the end. Great job. Made me sad for Brad but in a good way. I never heard any part of the vocal that I thought could have been done any better.

Was this song off Don't Look Back? I will have to get it on CD now. Have the self titled only on CD.

Peace, Todd

Thanks, Todd, and thanks for listening to the whole thing!

"Don't Look Back" had a few good tracks, including this one and the title track. The rest is a bit uneven, but worthwhile. I recently bought the remastered versions of Don't Look Back and Boston--and then promptly compressed them and put them on my iPod. A bit of a wash, I guess!

Mikem · 21st July 2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stagefright13

I hope you don't mind but tried my hand at mastering it somewhat. I thought it might be interesting to come out of the box with some LA2A compression on the 2buss. Lemme know what ya think or I went over the top LOL. And thanks for posting me the wave. Sounds awesome. :)
And I agree with Todd the song made me very sad at first and I wouldn't change the vocal at all. I didn't use any EQ.

See what ya think:

Man I'll Never Be

It sounds big, to be sure. I had already done a little amateur mastering on it, but I'm always interested in what other people come up with. Perhaps a bit much for my tastes, but I'm just flattered that you found it worth the time to play with!

I've uploaded a new mix, fixing a few EQ issues, I think. I also brightened the piano a tad, as someone had suggested. The links are the same for the new mp3 and the wave. This new version might take more kindly to additional compression/limiting, as well.

On a different note, if people have the interest and energy to contribute, it would be fun to have a gearslutz Boston tribute album, making this one of many tracks. I could contribute some more vocals, maybe, but I'd like to hear what others come up with. I hope it would be a labor of love for you, like this was for me. Anyway, just a thought!

-Mike

stagefright13 · 22nd July 2007, 05:30 PM

Actually I DID mention "Over the top" lol. I had already made another with less compression but didn't have a chance to post it. I had a remote gig to do... But will download the new wave and run that one and see what happens :)

I would be down with cutting some Boston tracks! That would be fun. But I would need a local drummer that didn't mind tracking for free. I could cover guitars, bass etc. Anyone near Hatboro PA? (North of philly) I have most instruments including drums in my studio. But the drummer might want to bring his favorite snare etc.

Blast9 · 22nd July 2007, 06:05 PM

Don't forget You need a Rockman!

Mikem --- Nice job! Would love to overdub the lead gtr

gm5k · 22nd July 2007, 08:58 PM

those harmonies give me chills. absolutely gorgeous!

so i guess stacking the vocals 4 times or so for each harmony gave it that shimmery chorus effect, huh? very nice.

Mikem · 22nd July 2007, 11:28 PM

Stagefright, I haven't had a chance to dl and listen to any of those new mp3's, but I wanted to mention in case anyone else is trying. When I dl'ed that first one, I got a file called "Boston" with no file extension. I had to manually add .mp3 (assuming it was an mp3), and it worked. So unless you've done something different on the subsequent uploads, people should know that they'll need to manually add that extension to listen to them.

I'm curious to hear how the new mix reacted to your compressing. :)

Mikem · 22nd July 2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gm5k

those harmonies give me chills. absolutely gorgeous!

so i guess stacking the vocals 4 times or so for each harmony gave it that shimmery chorus effect, huh? very nice.

Thanks!

I think the stacking certainly helped. I would have done more if I had had time, but I think the stacking along with the Dimension D, EQ'ing, and compressing as a group helped.

Mikem · 23rd July 2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by stagefright13

OK and here is the same thing run thru rev D 1176's. And yes I have too much time on my hands lol! But I like the practice. The 1176's actually made the mp3 file smaller. Go figure...

Man I'll Never Be

Actually, that one's at 128kps vs. 192kps on the other.

They both sound nice.

Not a fair comparison at different bit rates, though.

stagefright13 · 23rd July 2007, 11:58 PM

Oh I'm sorry I fixed the link for the 192 one thru 1176's

If I put .mp3 on the file then my broswer won't download it. (Firefox) Oh well...

jdjustice · 24th July 2007, 05:50 AM

Mr. Masse, while i realise that you probably in some fashion enjoy making the cash from your day job, you could conceivably actually QUIT IT!

this was flippin' fantastic! and i am glad i was already a Mike Masse fan so i can tell all my friends when that A&R guy finds you... that i knew you (virtually) when!

the vocals soar and the harmonies are spot-on as far as i could hear.
i know you used a bit of Melodyne but who the f cares when the result ends up so sublime?

i was going to write you a while back and ask if you had even tested, let alone kept, that TLM49.
it seems it is getting good use and through the Pacifica sounds great!
you should consider phoning Neumann (er.. Sennheiser) and Peter Montessi and asking them to sponsor your recordings!

ok i will stop kissing your ass now but i do believe this is the best i have heard from you yet.
i am extremely glad that i got around to listening!

KIT!!

~j.d.

Mikem · 24th July 2007, 05:01 PM

J.D., don't hold back--tell me what you really think.

Needless to say, you're way too kind. But don't stop!

And Peter, if you're listening, I'm REDDI to be sponsored....

jdjustice · 26th July 2007, 02:41 AM

friendly bump for Mike.... (unsolicited)

Bdiggy · 26th July 2007, 03:19 AM

Outstanding Brother just simply outstanding.

Mikem · 28th July 2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdiggy

Outstanding Brother just simply outstanding.

Thanks! And thanks for the bump, J.D.

I've made what I expect to be the last edits/changes to the mix. I cleaned up the tail end a little, and made a few other minor adjustments. The links are the same. If you want to have the final version, it's probably safe to download now.

And again, PM me if you want the link to the wave version. I don't think I'll keep these links active forever, so get 'em now!

stagefright13 · 4th August 2007, 06:38 PM

And here is the final version run thru some LA2A tube goodness:

Man I'll Never Be Final

stagefright13 · 4th August 2007, 07:22 PM

And here is the final run thru 1176's:

Man I'll Never Be 1176

stagefright13 · 4th August 2007, 08:39 PM

And just for comparison here's the same run thru a Telefunken equipped Art Pro VLA:

Man I'll Never Be VLA

bamm · 6th August 2007, 01:17 AM

I'm practically speechless so I will keep it simple...thank you for this brilliant cover.

stagefright13 · 6th August 2007, 05:32 AM

Yeah I liked it also and didn't know Brad had died until I heard this so I tried to contribute some gear to the tribute. Not that I have the best gear. But he was one of my idols as a kid learning to sing and play guitar. And Tom of course...

And Mikem did a great job bringing the memories back :)

But you could use it as a compressor comparison!

bamm · 6th August 2007, 06:05 PM

yeah Scholz...won't even go there...but I don't miss "him" on this tribute at all. And great job on the comps stagefright. The "original" mastered was a little crispy but the LA2A and the 1176 are sweet. Can't say which I like better. Were those plugs or the real thing?

Mike may want to re-look at his career choice as justice said.

Hmmmm....... Attorney ......... or ......... full-time singer songwriter? I'm sure it's like all of us. Got to pay the bills.

Mikem · 7th August 2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamm

Mike may want to re-look at his career choice as justice said.

Hmmmm....... Attorney ......... or ......... full-time singer songwriter? I'm sure it's like all of us. Got to pay the bills.

Thanks for listening, and the encouragement. But all I have to do to remind myself why I'm keeping my day job is to compare my version of this song to Brad's. He's just so much more interesting to listen to!

Something fun: this song (and even this thread) were featured in this week's Project Studio Network podcast. Cool stuff. I'm glad more people will get to hear it--and hopefully remember Brad fondly.

stagefright13 · 8th August 2007, 02:23 AM

They are not plugs. Real tubes and fets. They are reproductions tho that I made with the original schematics. With help from the diy forum. But I used all metal film resistors orange drops and Wimas. And NOS tubes from the 60's for the LA. I won't have better converters for a few more jobs. Will have a new ADA in about 1 month if the business keeps up.

Farout · 8th August 2007, 08:00 PM

Bravo.
I, too, am a big Boston fan (not to mention RTZ). I think you did an excellent job on this tune. Thank you for sharing this with us. You have a wonderful voice, and I think that Brad would be flattered.
FWIW - the quality of the recording it really good, too.

Mikem · 10th August 2007, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farout

Bravo.
I, too, am a big Boston fan (not to mention RTZ). I think you did an excellent job on this tune. Thank you for sharing this with us. You have a wonderful voice, and I think that Brad would be flattered.
FWIW - the quality of the recording it really good, too.

Thanks, and especially thanks for mentioning the recording quality. I'm trying to reach the potential of my gear, and I've probably got a long ways to go....

I'll probably take the link down soon, so please download this if you haven't heard it yet and would like to. I may try to upload an mp3 to the forum, but I haven't been able to get that feature to work on my last few attempts.

stagefright13 · 11th August 2007, 07:25 PM

I will be leaving the 3 final versions I made up on my site Mike so you can link to the one you like best if ya want. I won't be taking them down. I have plenty of room and no bandwidth problems... However I did delete some of the "practice" versions :)

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17th July 2007, 03:46 AM	#31
Mikem Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 248	One of our fellow gearslutz requested an uncompressed wave version of the song. I rar'ed it up for him and uploaded it to my site. The link is available upon request, if anyone else is interested. Just send me a PM. This is my last unsolicited bump post, I promise! -Mike __________________ \| Asus P5W DH Deluxe \| Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 \| CORSAIR XMS2 4GB DDR2 800 \| EVGA GeForce 8800GT KO 512MB \| Thermaltake ToughPower 750W PSU \| RME Fireface 800 \| UAD-2 Duo \| Cubase 4.5.2 \|

17th July 2007, 04:18 AM	#32
ToddF Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 583	Usually with an music post like this I won't listen to the whole thing but I listened all the way to the end. Great job. Made me sad for Brad but in a good way. I never heard any part of the vocal that I thought could have been done any better. Was this song off Don't Look Back? I will have to get it on CD now. Have the self titled only on CD. Peace, Todd __________________ Todd Fitzgerald Producer/Engineer Winterland Studios Minneapolis API Legacy + http://www.winterlandstudios.com

22nd July 2007, 06:05 PM	#37
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,800	Don't forget You need a Rockman! Mikem --- Nice job! Would love to overdub the lead gtr __________________ :: my band is called protoangel My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amps: 1973 Hiwatt DR504::Framus Dragon ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Digi 002 + PTLE, Addictive Drums

22nd July 2007, 08:58 PM	#38
gm5k Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 500 Series Land/San Antonio,Tx Posts: 1,531	those harmonies give me chills. absolutely gorgeous! so i guess stacking the vocals 4 times or so for each harmony gave it that shimmery chorus effect, huh? very nice. __________________ "I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn't do anything, he didn't react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett's a--, and won the damn championship. You know what I'm sayin'? That's gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he's a pimp."-Ron Artest

22nd July 2007, 05:30 PM	#36
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	Actually I DID mention "Over the top" lol. I had already made another with less compression but didn't have a chance to post it. I had a remote gig to do... But will download the new wave and run that one and see what happens :) I would be down with cutting some Boston tracks! That would be fun. But I would need a local drummer that didn't mind tracking for free. I could cover guitars, bass etc. Anyone near Hatboro PA? (North of philly) I have most instruments including drums in my studio. But the drummer might want to bring his favorite snare etc.

22nd July 2007, 11:28 PM	#39
Mikem Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 248	Stagefright, I haven't had a chance to dl and listen to any of those new mp3's, but I wanted to mention in case anyone else is trying. When I dl'ed that first one, I got a file called "Boston" with no file extension. I had to manually add .mp3 (assuming it was an mp3), and it worked. So unless you've done something different on the subsequent uploads, people should know that they'll need to manually add that extension to listen to them. I'm curious to hear how the new mix reacted to your compressing. :) __________________ \| Asus P5W DH Deluxe \| Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 \| CORSAIR XMS2 4GB DDR2 800 \| EVGA GeForce 8800GT KO 512MB \| Thermaltake ToughPower 750W PSU \| RME Fireface 800 \| UAD-2 Duo \| Cubase 4.5.2 \|

23rd July 2007, 11:58 PM	#42
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	Oh I'm sorry I fixed the link for the 192 one thru 1176's If I put .mp3 on the file then my broswer won't download it. (Firefox) Oh well...

24th July 2007, 05:50 AM	#43
jdjustice Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,261	Mr. Masse, while i realise that you probably in some fashion enjoy making the cash from your day job, you could conceivably actually QUIT IT! this was flippin' fantastic! and i am glad i was already a Mike Masse fan so i can tell all my friends when that A&R guy finds you... that i knew you (virtually) when! the vocals soar and the harmonies are spot-on as far as i could hear. i know you used a bit of Melodyne but who the f cares when the result ends up so sublime? i was going to write you a while back and ask if you had even tested, let alone kept, that TLM49. it seems it is getting good use and through the Pacifica sounds great! you should consider phoning Neumann (er.. Sennheiser) and Peter Montessi and asking them to sponsor your recordings! ok i will stop kissing your ass now but i do believe this is the best i have heard from you yet. i am extremely glad that i got around to listening! KIT!! ~j.d. __________________ jdjustice.net

24th July 2007, 05:01 PM	#44
Mikem Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 248	J.D., don't hold back--tell me what you really think. Needless to say, you're way too kind. But don't stop! And Peter, if you're listening, I'm REDDI to be sponsored.... __________________ \| Asus P5W DH Deluxe \| Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 \| CORSAIR XMS2 4GB DDR2 800 \| EVGA GeForce 8800GT KO 512MB \| Thermaltake ToughPower 750W PSU \| RME Fireface 800 \| UAD-2 Duo \| Cubase 4.5.2 \|

26th July 2007, 02:41 AM	#45
jdjustice Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,261	friendly bump for Mike.... (unsolicited) __________________ jdjustice.net

26th July 2007, 03:19 AM	#46
Bdiggy Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: VA. Posts: 1,967	Outstanding Brother just simply outstanding. __________________ Advice is judged by results, not by intentions. Cicero

4th August 2007, 06:38 PM	#48
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	And here is the final version run thru some LA2A tube goodness: Man I'll Never Be Final

4th August 2007, 07:22 PM	#49
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	And here is the final run thru 1176's: Man I'll Never Be 1176

4th August 2007, 08:39 PM	#50
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	And just for comparison here's the same run thru a Telefunken equipped Art Pro VLA: Man I'll Never Be VLA

6th August 2007, 01:17 AM	#51
bamm Gear Head Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 38	I'm practically speechless so I will keep it simple...thank you for this brilliant cover. __________________ . . For what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet loses his own soul?

6th August 2007, 05:32 AM	#52
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	Yeah I liked it also and didn't know Brad had died until I heard this so I tried to contribute some gear to the tribute. Not that I have the best gear. But he was one of my idols as a kid learning to sing and play guitar. And Tom of course... And Mikem did a great job bringing the memories back :) But you could use it as a compressor comparison!

6th August 2007, 06:05 PM	#53
bamm Gear Head Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 38	yeah Scholz...won't even go there...but I don't miss "him" on this tribute at all. And great job on the comps stagefright. The "original" mastered was a little crispy but the LA2A and the 1176 are sweet. Can't say which I like better. Were those plugs or the real thing? Mike may want to re-look at his career choice as justice said. Hmmmm....... Attorney ......... or ......... full-time singer songwriter? I'm sure it's like all of us. Got to pay the bills. __________________ . . For what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet loses his own soul?

8th August 2007, 02:23 AM	#55
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	They are not plugs. Real tubes and fets. They are reproductions tho that I made with the original schematics. With help from the diy forum. But I used all metal film resistors orange drops and Wimas. And NOS tubes from the 60's for the LA. I won't have better converters for a few more jobs. Will have a new ADA in about 1 month if the business keeps up.

8th August 2007, 08:00 PM	#56
Farout Gear addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: Baton Rouge, La Posts: 315	Bravo. I, too, am a big Boston fan (not to mention RTZ). I think you did an excellent job on this tune. Thank you for sharing this with us. You have a wonderful voice, and I think that Brad would be flattered. FWIW - the quality of the recording it really good, too. __________________ If you get bored - you can watch some silly videos on Logic: FarOut5150's Illogical Logic Videos on YouTube

11th August 2007, 07:25 PM	#58
stagefright13 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 785	I will be leaving the 3 final versions I made up on my site Mike so you can link to the one you like best if ya want. I won't be taking them down. I have plenty of room and no bandwidth problems... However I did delete some of the "practice" versions :)