Hillary/Ashlee girl POP/ROCK MIX ITB. - Page 2

shaddai · 11th June 2007, 05:44 AM

Just wanted to say..I'm pretty floored. I've never had any reason to post in this section of GS before..

nice work..

Buffy · 12th June 2007, 12:59 AM

Yeah. I'm floored too. You actually made me register so that I could reply to this song. If I could learn what you already know, then I could die happy :).

Great Job,

Buffy

Lackatee · 12th June 2007, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chymer

Dave...thanks for the compliment, Im sure your a busy guy (designing more exceptional modern classics) and you didnt need to post anything so thank you, it means a heap coming from the distressors daddy!!!!!
Oh and I Looooooove my distressor BTW, saving up for a fatso/lil freq next:-)
Im really looking to step up and head to the states next year and Im working really hard at my whole style and techniques and writing and so fourth and its really great to know Im improving and perhapse getting a little closer to being the world class producer like the guys I admire......even though I know I still have a fair way to go. I was close to packing it in end of last year.

Lackatee,
Hey, thanks for your feedback on the guitars. I think they are mixed on the louder side and do have a bite to them, but I did this to give the song an edge and aggressivness, its taste I think and I may pop them back half a db to take the edge off a little perhapse, and the mastering/limiting does bring the guitar edge out more. The mastering I did myself in 5 minutes just to give to the client for approval:-) I did it instinctively and very quickly with some plugins, If I can remember correctly....
-pultech pro cutting 300hz
-neve shelving 50,boosting 90, boosting 12khz
-stereo expander
-precision limiter

I really dont know what im doing when mastering and the song will get the real deal if we get around to recording a whole EP/Record........writing,writing,writing!
Oh, i did have the SSL comp on the master with only 2-3db reduction followed by the pultech doing nothing but a tiny tiny bit at 60hz. I may have also had the t-racks clipper which I like sometimes and voxengo tapebus in the default setting then precision limiter doing pretty much nothing. It all just raises the volume and really glues things, I find if you use a few good plugs that are working less in sequence then it goes a long way.

Thats all really, jes, I still cant believe Dave bothered to post, thats one to tell my geeky producer friends:-)
Chymer

Yeah, i knew what you were going for with the guitars. I had headphones on when i first played the song and the first thing i thought was "Wow those guitars are cranked!" and then i thought.. "Well, myspace's 96k mp3 playback probably isn't helping matters either..." Like i said, i know that style you wanted.

I had that damn song in my head for like 2 days after i heard. Ha ha

And i would never buy an album like this. But at the same time I'm a sucker for the production and the time spent to make it sound this way. It really has to be respected. That is no easy task.

As far as I'm concerned, you've pretty much made it if you can mix a song like this.. Its almost on the equivalent of learning how to play like Steve vai or *insert some insane talent*. Sure, the style of music isn't going to float every ones boat, nor the style of production that goes along with this style of music. That's not the point. Its about the detail that you put into it. And the Product you have to show for it.

Anyway, It just goes to show you, you don't need an SSL 6000 to get a serious mix goin.. :D Hats off to you!

chymer · 12th June 2007, 11:44 AM

Hey thanks for the compliments guys. That means more than you think, so thanks.
Unfortunately I have to spend more time selling myself so i can further my carrer, Im not too good at the kissing arse and talking myself up side of things, but if anyone in LA/Nashville is reading this and wants to meet me when Im over there PM me.There I did it, he he...

Chymer

drundall · 14th June 2007, 12:12 PM

Sounds good dude. I like the guitars cranked

quietdrive · 20th June 2007, 02:56 PM

There's nothing wrong with the mix or song, this could easily be an album track for Ashlee or The Veronicas. It's not a hit or a single, but a solid pop/rock song. I also dont think the singer's voice is too weak, sounds good to me. And as far as the MySpace plays go. Unless you know how to promote yourself on there, nothing's gonna happen. I doubt the MySpace plays reflective the quality of the music. I could easily see some A&R guy wanting to sign this girl.

Forgot to mention. If there's one thing wrong with the song, it's the lyrics. It doesnt seem like there's a clear story going on in the song, at least it sounds very confusing to me. It could be more straight-forward and simple, I think that'd work better, especially in this genre.

AMIEL · 20th June 2007, 04:24 PM

Hey Chymer!
Great mix! sounds awesome...well balanced, very consistent and solid.
Cool song and great arragement....simple and colorful..how I like it!
I work a lot with that time of music and female artists...so I can tell you : GREAT JOB!!

I would not comment anything becauseI really like the wayand it sounds, is great!

But I I will give you some ideas .... because I see you are looking for some input.. and other perspective.

I would point 4 things:

1- leave the gtrs the way it is !!...you are right...is pop rock and you need punch in the chorus..and anyway the vocal level is great.

2-I would raise the snare ONLY in the chorus a bit...just to feel more the hit of the snare ...just a bit..if you can raise the snare where just you can hear it better, actually would sound very cool and open and then will create the effect that "the gtrs are not so loud"...but still the punch you are looking for in that section.

3- would add a vocal harmony in the pre chorus..to give more color and to increase emotion to the chorus.,,but mix it very low at level just to add color..

4-this is maybe personal because I got your idea ...but here is my input:
in the pre chorus i would put that clean gtrs chorus in the way you did it but following the chord progression with the accent of the voice: the way u did it plus the anticipated....mean one more chord between the ones u already have.
My point here is to create a bit more of a rhythmic sense...
But if you was looking for something more like atmospheric or king of intriguing then the way you did it is great!

Anyway ...awesome job and really like the song and what you did!

Sent you a PM so you can check some of my work.

BuzzaB · 26th June 2007, 11:51 PM

Hey just got round to listening to this,
does sound very good indeed well done.

I didn't see reverb mentioned anywhere here so far.
I must ask; is the vox totally dry? or are there some early reflections in there? or is just the natural ambience brought up by the compression?

BB

Rockman · 27th June 2007, 05:25 PM

I agree ! Great sounding mix. Very good work man! Nice and punchy.

Could you tell us what you had on your Master Fader? (Compression settings, etc)

Thanks

chymer · 2nd July 2007, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuzzaB

Hey just got round to listening to this,
does sound very good indeed well done.

I didn't see reverb mentioned anywhere here so far.
I must ask; is the vox totally dry? or are there some early reflections in there? or is just the natural ambience brought up by the compression?

BB

The vocal is meant to sound dry but there are a few things going on such as pitch shifting,doubling, reverb and delay and also distortion layered in.

The master fader has the Waves SSL compressor and the UAD pultech, I always mix through these. Then I sometimes, depending on the song, insert the voxengo tape bus and the T-Racks clipper and then the UAD precision limiter. This gives me some level but it also makes the song sound punchy too, I dig the clipper but sometimes it sounds too crunchy for certain songs.
I will take the clipper and limiter off for mastering though, although I left them on before I mastered it myself and it sounded good.Whatever works.

Hope this helps guys.

Chymer

drakewire · 5th July 2007, 07:57 AM

LOL
this thread is getting ridiculous. This guy didnt use an MBox to record this girl, he is using very expensive digital tools... I suppose you could say the new Neve Console is in the box too. Not quite an Mbox here he was using, and the software plugz are quite expensive too. Point is... Dont try to achieve this with an MBox, it wont happen, no matter how you record and eq... This kind of track requires high end equipment.
About the post prior. Who cares about Myspace!
Last I checked nobody cares how many plays someone has, they care about how many I-tunes Snocap they are selling, that should be the measure of success of a band. I have always said from a business perspective, you could be better song writers than the Beatles, but if no one is buying your stuff, who cares! As for her being signed, I would venture to say not in the near future. She is good, just not great....
Peace
Devon

lordnielson · 5th July 2007, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drakewire

LOL
this thread is getting ridiculous. This guy didnt use an MBox to record this girl, he is using very expensive digital tools... I suppose you could say the new Neve Console is in the box too. Not quite an Mbox here he was using, and the software plugz are quite expensive too. Point is... Dont try to achieve this with an MBox, it wont happen, no matter how you record and eq... This kind of track requires high end equipment.
About the post prior. Who cares about Myspace!
Last I checked nobody cares how many plays someone has, they care about how many I-tunes Snocap they are selling, that should be the measure of success of a band. I have always said from a business perspective, you could be better song writers than the Beatles, but if no one is buying your stuff, who cares! As for her being signed, I would venture to say not in the near future. She is good, just not great....
Peace
Devon

Wondering what your problem is ?

You've made it clear that the girl (in your profound and authoritative wisdom) has no chance. Chymer is really not that talented either he's just got better gear than the rest ?

I don't know if you're somehow feeling overshadowed or belittled here but some of your remarks border on rudeness.

drakewire · 5th July 2007, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Wondering what your problem is ?

You've made it clear that the girl (in your profound and authoritative wisdom) has no chance. Chymer is really not that talented either he's just got better gear than the rest ?

I don't know if you're somehow feeling overshadowed or belittled here but some of your remarks border on rudeness.

Wow!!!!!!!! Okay no not at all.... Seriously not being rude at all... I love the mix, the girl has talent, I am just a little put back by the fact that we are calling this an In the Box mix like thats all that was used here, when in fact thats not what was used...
I know a lot of cats who mix in the box, i believe thats why Euphonix was created...
He is very talented, but sometimes expensive tools can make an average mixer a great mixer... Yes tools do make the man or woman.... If not why would you pay a million dollars for an SSL console if you could create the sound on an Onyx...
Is the girl talented. YES!
UNIQUE? NO
Perhaps, there must be that English - American Language Mix Up...
Whatever the case, not being rude... This is a forum where people come and ask for opinions and engage in discussion... Wasnt being rude, just stating the obvious...

chymer · 5th July 2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

I am just a little put back by the fact that we are calling this an In the Box mix

Im a little confused, I was the one who said it was an "ITB" mix, unless Im wrong, maybe I didnt mix it ITB like i thought I did??I don't own a desk, maybe I do, i thought I didnt, can you tell me Drake, do I:-)

It is interesting to ask "what makes an ITB mix" because outboard can be inserted into most DAWs easily. Theres another thread on this actually somewhere here.

Quote:

but sometimes expensive tools can make an average mixer a great mixer

Im not taking offence to this at all because I don't consider myself a great mixer by any stretch...but....
If someone pulls great mixes consistently with their great gear, doesn't that make them a great mixer? or can you only be considered a great mixer if you can pull great mixes on an M-BOX?

For what its worth, I did actually mix this entirely inside Soundscape DAW with plugins that you dont need 1 million dollars to own.
My instinct tells me that I could get close using my MBOX, but I did use the plugins that are unique to Soundscape.
I wouldnt tell anyone reading this thread that they wont ever be able to do a comparable mix to the the one I did unless they use high end equipment, because, I did the mix and I know that they could do it if they worked hard enough.

Chymer

AMIEL · 5th July 2007, 04:05 PM

Mr Drakewire!

Honestly...who cares about a mix if is ITB , an Hybrid o OTB!!

AS long as the mix sounds good!

Who cares if sounds super good as long the song is great!

Who cares if the artist and song are great or bad as long as sales!!

I am talking your words and put them in perspective!!

Also why many people believe that you can achieve only better mixes using help of outboard gear o mixing on an SSL?

That is false!

Specially ITB the mixer is who make the sound great!

Check Serban Ghenea! he only mixes ITB 100%...sounds great!! his mixes have HUGE success! always in demand with the top sellers!!

Check the last PINK album....here you can compare his mixes against Chris Lord Alge that he mixes on an SSL and using the best Outboard gear! not really a difference!!!! Serban mixing ITB is as good as Chris.

So please do not be blind and don't believe u can not make it ITB !!
If you have good plug ins and a good interface.....well get good monitors, good acoustics in your room...and a good recording to mix!

Ah....do not forget a great song and production...and there is where Chymer did a good job!!
that makes more different that any outboard gear or SSL console...and his song is good too!

almost forgot!do you want to sell? you better have all the money in marketing and promotion!!! with that any idiot can sale too!!!! Do u remember that shitty song "barbie girl"???????

drakewire · 5th July 2007, 04:55 PM

First I wasnt being rude... Let me reiterate that.
Second I dont know who you are talking about but Pink Recorded with Chris's Brother Tom on her last album among others. He isnt known for using ICON.. Serban not Seban was involved, but he certainly didnt turn all the dials on every track... Adem Hawkins, Al Clay among others also contributed in different studio's across Los Angeles. So thats just silly.. and I am pretty sure some high end consoles were used... I am going out on a limb there, but I dont think they used Mbox.

What I am saying if you would calm down....

I said a lot of great mixers that i know mix in the box, after they are done tracking the mix through analogue methods such as SSL console, Neve Consoles, individual high end out board etc.

Trying to achieve this kind of a mix cold (digital) is not possible.. I.E sticking your mic Line in to your Mbox.

The system that Chymer is using, which is 100 percent put on his website is roughly very expensive, and he has made mention of the facts that he used some high end gear.

So after that assessment, I said great mix for great gear. If it was a Focusrite Saffire I would even be more impressed. Since SSL bought out the equipment company that our friend chymer works on, I think its safe to assume that the quality of equipment is there.. Even better he has a quality act to work with too. Which as I mentioned before is good, not great. I really find it retarded that I have to reiterate everything for you, since I felt I was writing in plain English.

Not to put out your fire, but The Tila Tequila incident still resonates discord among the chuckles of A&R. You can have a huge following, with all the best people involved, but if no one buys your CD, the so what factor sets in. As I said before, this girl would have been awesome if not for the fact that she sounds like everyone else in the genre.

Oh yeah and one last thing, let us not get into the Digital versus Analogue debate, I really don't want the Waves People sticking another Vintage Emulation down my throat. It doesn't sound the same and never will.

AMIEL · 5th July 2007, 05:01 PM

You are right!! Serban Ghenea mixed some tracks among others on the last Pink CD....that is what I meant....that guys using SSL and mixing ITB can achieve success to be included in the same album.

Also who said Chymer used an MBOX? I hear al what you say....see your point....but not just having great outboard gear is the only key for success...is like to say that every engineer that have success people will say: "yeah sounds good because he mixed on an SSL o in that awesome studio with great outboard gear!"

I am not fighting and putting fire here...but I think Chymer intention was to show his work not his gear...and we were talking about his talents.

Also I am not being rude...and I did not put words against you....but I think many people felt you were rude with Chymer....so maybe is a matter of "rudeness perception"?

huub · 5th July 2007, 05:33 PM

Aren't you all getting tired of this whole itb/otb thing?

Great mix b.t.w.

AMIEL · 5th July 2007, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huub

Aren't you all getting tired of this whole itb/otb thing?

Great mix b.t.w.

Totally!!

Andreas G · 5th July 2007, 11:25 PM

Hey Chymer,
great playing and performance, nice arangement and production and of course mixing. Being so much involved... it's hard to stay objective isn't it

Your mix translates very well but I'm you sure already know that. The only thing I'd try to improve (may be next time I know I'm late) is the punch in the chorus. It sound a bit too squashed to me and therefor looses important impact. I know you have to built a toping contrast to the verse, so that's for sure not easy. Sometimes I use different setting for the bus comp only for the chorus, rather like a limiter than a comp. this help keeping things punchier even on very high energy levels. Just a thought.

Andreas

Methlab · 6th July 2007, 02:51 AM

I wish I had a damn distressor..god that sounds good. Geat mix. I LOVE that you used the free voxengo plugin on the guitars...I downloaded that, and I bet it does a number on a bass amp track...I like that you made a killer mix with great gear, but also used some free VST plugs too. Good stuff.

I now feel like a toal beginner again.

chymer · 13th July 2007, 07:25 AM

yeah I thought the BOOGEX layered in well with the real amps. i would reccomend it anyone for another option if they only have a couple of real amps and want to layer with different tones.
The trick, in my opinion, is to use real guitar pedals before your converters and then turn down the drive on the plugin and get your distortion the analog way:-)
Also, I found that most of the presets are on the harsh side so backing off the high end on the plugin is a good idea, but I did this with my RAT pedal before I went in to warm it up. I would recommend a RAT, Im in love with mine at the moment.
And Yes, I love my distressor, just dont over do it, its easy too because it sounds so slamming!!!
Chymer

ixi · 18th July 2007, 10:35 AM

Nice song, as intentionally for radio station

Nice work, go in this direction forward

!X!

brad347 · 19th July 2007, 10:51 PM

sounds like a radio hit to me!

chymer · 20th July 2007, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brad347

sounds like a radio hit to me!

Well thats the plan

Its funny, i actually done agree. I think the song itself could be stronger and I think I will keep trying to write that "real" hit song for her.

Chymer

ssl_ambition · 9th July 2008, 11:28 AM

Damn, Lindsay!
That`s great stuff! Work left:
PUSH IT, PUSH IT, PUSH IT.
No matter what: This is TOP TEN Radio stuff.

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14th June 2007, 12:12 PM	#35
drundall Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 747	Sounds good dude. I like the guitars cranked __________________ Darian Rundall

20th June 2007, 04:24 PM	#37
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,350	Hey Chymer! Great mix! sounds awesome...well balanced, very consistent and solid. Cool song and great arragement....simple and colorful..how I like it! I work a lot with that time of music and female artists...so I can tell you : GREAT JOB!! I would not comment anything becauseI really like the wayand it sounds, is great! But I I will give you some ideas .... because I see you are looking for some input.. and other perspective. I would point 4 things: 1- leave the gtrs the way it is !!...you are right...is pop rock and you need punch in the chorus..and anyway the vocal level is great. 2-I would raise the snare ONLY in the chorus a bit...just to feel more the hit of the snare ...just a bit..if you can raise the snare where just you can hear it better, actually would sound very cool and open and then will create the effect that "the gtrs are not so loud"...but still the punch you are looking for in that section. 3- would add a vocal harmony in the pre chorus..to give more color and to increase emotion to the chorus.,,but mix it very low at level just to add color.. 4-this is maybe personal because I got your idea ...but here is my input: in the pre chorus i would put that clean gtrs chorus in the way you did it but following the chord progression with the accent of the voice: the way u did it plus the anticipated....mean one more chord between the ones u already have. My point here is to create a bit more of a rhythmic sense... But if you was looking for something more like atmospheric or king of intriguing then the way you did it is great! Anyway ...awesome job and really like the song and what you did! Sent you a PM so you can check some of my work. __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

5th July 2007, 07:57 AM	#41
drakewire Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 826	LOL this thread is getting ridiculous. This guy didnt use an MBox to record this girl, he is using very expensive digital tools... I suppose you could say the new Neve Console is in the box too. Not quite an Mbox here he was using, and the software plugz are quite expensive too. Point is... Dont try to achieve this with an MBox, it wont happen, no matter how you record and eq... This kind of track requires high end equipment. About the post prior. Who cares about Myspace! Last I checked nobody cares how many plays someone has, they care about how many I-tunes Snocap they are selling, that should be the measure of success of a band. I have always said from a business perspective, you could be better song writers than the Beatles, but if no one is buying your stuff, who cares! As for her being signed, I would venture to say not in the near future. She is good, just not great.... Peace Devon __________________

5th July 2007, 04:05 PM	#45
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,350	Mr Drakewire! Honestly...who cares about a mix if is ITB , an Hybrid o OTB!! AS long as the mix sounds good! Who cares if sounds super good as long the song is great! Who cares if the artist and song are great or bad as long as sales!! I am talking your words and put them in perspective!! Also why many people believe that you can achieve only better mixes using help of outboard gear o mixing on an SSL? That is false! Specially ITB the mixer is who make the sound great! Check Serban Ghenea! he only mixes ITB 100%...sounds great!! his mixes have HUGE success! always in demand with the top sellers!! Check the last PINK album....here you can compare his mixes against Chris Lord Alge that he mixes on an SSL and using the best Outboard gear! not really a difference!!!! Serban mixing ITB is as good as Chris. So please do not be blind and don't believe u can not make it ITB !! If you have good plug ins and a good interface.....well get good monitors, good acoustics in your room...and a good recording to mix! Ah....do not forget a great song and production...and there is where Chymer did a good job!! that makes more different that any outboard gear or SSL console...and his song is good too! almost forgot!do you want to sell? you better have all the money in marketing and promotion!!! with that any idiot can sale too!!!! Do u remember that shitty song "barbie girl"??????? __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

11th June 2007, 05:44 AM	#31
shaddai Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 267	Just wanted to say..I'm pretty floored. I've never had any reason to post in this section of GS before.. nice work..

12th June 2007, 12:59 AM	#32
Buffy Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1	Yeah. I'm floored too. You actually made me register so that I could reply to this song. If I could learn what you already know, then I could die happy :). Great Job, Buffy

12th June 2007, 11:44 AM	#34
chymer Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 508	Hey thanks for the compliments guys. That means more than you think, so thanks. Unfortunately I have to spend more time selling myself so i can further my carrer, Im not too good at the kissing arse and talking myself up side of things, but if anyone in LA/Nashville is reading this and wants to meet me when Im over there PM me.There I did it, he he... Chymer

20th June 2007, 02:56 PM	#36
quietdrive Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 618	There's nothing wrong with the mix or song, this could easily be an album track for Ashlee or The Veronicas. It's not a hit or a single, but a solid pop/rock song. I also dont think the singer's voice is too weak, sounds good to me. And as far as the MySpace plays go. Unless you know how to promote yourself on there, nothing's gonna happen. I doubt the MySpace plays reflective the quality of the music. I could easily see some A&R guy wanting to sign this girl. Forgot to mention. If there's one thing wrong with the song, it's the lyrics. It doesnt seem like there's a clear story going on in the song, at least it sounds very confusing to me. It could be more straight-forward and simple, I think that'd work better, especially in this genre.

26th June 2007, 11:51 PM	#38
BuzzaB Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 110	Hey just got round to listening to this, does sound very good indeed well done. I didn't see reverb mentioned anywhere here so far. I must ask; is the vox totally dry? or are there some early reflections in there? or is just the natural ambience brought up by the compression? BB

27th June 2007, 05:25 PM	#39
Rockman Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 322	I agree ! Great sounding mix. Very good work man! Nice and punchy. Could you tell us what you had on your Master Fader? (Compression settings, etc) Thanks

5th July 2007, 04:55 PM	#46
drakewire Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 826	Wow... Calm Down First I wasnt being rude... Let me reiterate that. Second I dont know who you are talking about but Pink Recorded with Chris's Brother Tom on her last album among others. He isnt known for using ICON.. Serban not Seban was involved, but he certainly didnt turn all the dials on every track... Adem Hawkins, Al Clay among others also contributed in different studio's across Los Angeles. So thats just silly.. and I am pretty sure some high end consoles were used... I am going out on a limb there, but I dont think they used Mbox. What I am saying if you would calm down.... I said a lot of great mixers that i know mix in the box, after they are done tracking the mix through analogue methods such as SSL console, Neve Consoles, individual high end out board etc. Trying to achieve this kind of a mix cold (digital) is not possible.. I.E sticking your mic Line in to your Mbox. The system that Chymer is using, which is 100 percent put on his website is roughly very expensive, and he has made mention of the facts that he used some high end gear. So after that assessment, I said great mix for great gear. If it was a Focusrite Saffire I would even be more impressed. Since SSL bought out the equipment company that our friend chymer works on, I think its safe to assume that the quality of equipment is there.. Even better he has a quality act to work with too. Which as I mentioned before is good, not great. I really find it retarded that I have to reiterate everything for you, since I felt I was writing in plain English. Not to put out your fire, but The Tila Tequila incident still resonates discord among the chuckles of A&R. You can have a huge following, with all the best people involved, but if no one buys your CD, the so what factor sets in. As I said before, this girl would have been awesome if not for the fact that she sounds like everyone else in the genre. Oh yeah and one last thing, let us not get into the Digital versus Analogue debate, I really don't want the Waves People sticking another Vintage Emulation down my throat. It doesn't sound the same and never will. __________________

5th July 2007, 05:01 PM	#47
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,350	You are right!! Serban Ghenea mixed some tracks among others on the last Pink CD....that is what I meant....that guys using SSL and mixing ITB can achieve success to be included in the same album. Also who said Chymer used an MBOX? I hear al what you say....see your point....but not just having great outboard gear is the only key for success...is like to say that every engineer that have success people will say: "yeah sounds good because he mixed on an SSL o in that awesome studio with great outboard gear!" I am not fighting and putting fire here...but I think Chymer intention was to show his work not his gear...and we were talking about his talents. Also I am not being rude...and I did not put words against you....but I think many people felt you were rude with Chymer....so maybe is a matter of "rudeness perception"? __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

5th July 2007, 05:33 PM	#48
huub Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: amsterdam Posts: 426	Aren't you all getting tired of this whole itb/otb thing? Great mix b.t.w.

5th July 2007, 11:25 PM	#50
Andreas G Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 778	Hey Chymer, great playing and performance, nice arangement and production and of course mixing. Being so much involved... it's hard to stay objective isn't it Your mix translates very well but I'm you sure already know that. The only thing I'd try to improve (may be next time I know I'm late) is the punch in the chorus. It sound a bit too squashed to me and therefor looses important impact. I know you have to built a toping contrast to the verse, so that's for sure not easy. Sometimes I use different setting for the bus comp only for the chorus, rather like a limiter than a comp. this help keeping things punchier even on very high energy levels. Just a thought. Andreas

6th July 2007, 02:51 AM	#51
Methlab Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 2,415	I wish I had a damn distressor..god that sounds good. Geat mix. I LOVE that you used the free voxengo plugin on the guitars...I downloaded that, and I bet it does a number on a bass amp track...I like that you made a killer mix with great gear, but also used some free VST plugs too. Good stuff. I now feel like a toal beginner again.

13th July 2007, 07:25 AM	#52
chymer Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 508	yeah I thought the BOOGEX layered in well with the real amps. i would reccomend it anyone for another option if they only have a couple of real amps and want to layer with different tones. The trick, in my opinion, is to use real guitar pedals before your converters and then turn down the drive on the plugin and get your distortion the analog way:-) Also, I found that most of the presets are on the harsh side so backing off the high end on the plugin is a good idea, but I did this with my RAT pedal before I went in to warm it up. I would recommend a RAT, Im in love with mine at the moment. And Yes, I love my distressor, just dont over do it, its easy too because it sounds so slamming!!! Chymer

18th July 2007, 10:35 AM	#53
ixi Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3	Nice song, as intentionally for radio station Nice work, go in this direction forward !X!

19th July 2007, 10:51 PM	#54
brad347 Gear Head Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 38	sounds like a radio hit to me!

9th July 2008, 11:28 AM	#56
ssl_ambition Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 207	Damn, Lindsay! That`s great stuff! Work left: PUSH IT, PUSH IT, PUSH IT. No matter what: This is TOP TEN Radio stuff.