Heavy alt-metal with harmonies

[everybody's x]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6977488/title.mp3


no samples, no triggers, no matching EQ, no impulses, no autotune. 100% realness


Yes they WANTED that snare sound, over my vehement protests.

[rev9recording]

i love the guitar tone. what amp was used? what did you mic it with? and what was it's signal chain?

[everybody's x]

thank you!

main crunch is

2x les paul>marshall 2550>mesa OS 4x12 with vintage 30's
2x les paul>5150>mesa OS 4x12 with vintage 30's
miced with a sm7b and a beyerdynamic hypercardioid (can't remember the model)

cleans are a 77 gold top on one side and 72RI strat on the other marshall 2550 and probably my 68 deluxe reverb. might have been a classic 30 (I'm at home at the moment)

soundtracs topaz board >motu 2408mk3

pretty straight forward

[44master]

well, this 100% realness isn't something you can be proud of. I gotta be honest, without any bullshit that you have your own style, or the band has it. First of all, CUT THE CYMBALS, it literally hurting my brain. It's like someone with a drumstick gating a knob which turns on and off pink noise. How did this happen anyway? I can't believe it sounds like this without EQ.

The snare isn't the biggest problem in this track, in fact I think the snare is alright, reminds me a bit of a typical deftones-kinda sound. Maybe some compression and EQ, maybe even a sample to help it a little bit, it sounds thin.

Guitars sound a bit dull, and it has kinda boxy sound right now. Bass is drowning all the time, I'm not sure is that a bass guitar I'm hearing somewhere in the back or bass freqs of the electric guitars. Everything is trying to kill the vocal, it's like literally saying "hey guys, let's do this, let's cut this sucker right now. Okay, Super Pink Noise aka cymbals, you go first! Guitars - help it right now! Bass - please stay out of the way!" etc. You get the idea.

Sorry if it's too brutal, but I can't say it's good if it's not. Maybe you can work it out, maybe you didn't give a **** when you were recording this band. I don't know. That sounded just super weird to me.

[everybody's x]

Ah Gearslutz I've missed you.

Its a modest recording on a modest budget, the customer is happy. I didnt say I didnt use EQ I said I didn't use "matching eq" different thing.

Thanks for reminding me I'm right up there with baby killers and third world dictators. lol.

[44master]

Originally Posted by everybody's x

Ah Gearslutz I've missed you.

Its a modest recording on a modest budget, the customer is happy. I didnt say I didnt use EQ I said I didn't use "matching eq" different thing.

Thanks for reminding me I'm right up there with baby killers and third world dictators. lol.

Well, again, sorry if it's too harsh, but I'm trying to tell what I'm hearing in this track. I could've been polite and say "okay, it's probably your style and I'm not used to it". But seriously, only a deaf person wouldn't hear that.

I don't really see a reason why you did the cymbals so deadly to ears using EQ, but no, matching EQ is a bad thing. I don't understand what is that you were trying to achieve or say by doing that.

And again, I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just being honest.

[everybody's x]

Ok, that's cool. Maybe in giving feedback you could try something like. "This is what I'm hearing, maybe try x or y for a better mix."
Or you know, something constructive. I don't remember claiming to be Bob Clearmountain. I put it up here for feedback, and helpful advice is appreciated. Saying I don't give a **** about the band, must be deaf and should be ashamed of myself is something else entirely.

I'll cut you some slack in the fact that the barely coherent feedback you were giving leads me to believe English is not your first language and/or you are severely uneducated.

Also, since you're in L.A I'll go ahead and assume you're are environmentally pre-disposed to be an arrogant *********.
So, thanks for "not trying to be rude" and dropping some tough-love on me, it's very inspiring.

Enjoy your day!

[customclimates]

The style is very Kings X and has a familiar early 90's flair ... Almost like I have heard it before. I personally like the mix and I absolutely love the kick drum. Is it a loop or a triggered kit? If it is a program what one is it?

[everybody's x]

I'm sure the band would like that comparison.

It is a gretsch black widow kit. 20" kick with a powerstroke 3 head mic'd with an audix D6 inside, an AT4033 outside and a subkick.

[everybody's x]

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[rev9recording]

generally i try not to engage in too much banter, but 44master some of your comments are just inflammatory...

Originally Posted by 44master

well, this 100% realness isn't something you can be proud of.

really?? why not? whats the matter with mixing like that if someone prefers it?

Originally Posted by everybody's x

Guitars sound a bit dull, and it has kinda boxy sound right now.

i couldnt disagree more. if anything, those guitars are bright. not boxy or dull. what monitors are you listening on?

Originally Posted by customclimates

Sorry if it's too brutal, but I can't say it's good if it's not. Maybe you can work it out, maybe you didn't give a **** when you were recording this band. I don't know. That sounded just super weird to me.

standard troll attitude... you want to post one of your mixes on this thread? id be very curious to hear one...

Originally Posted by 44master

I could've been polite and say "okay, it's probably your style and I'm not used to it". But seriously, only a deaf person wouldn't hear that.

rude... there are many ways to provide your opinion in a more constructive way.

Originally Posted by everybody's x

I don't really see a reason why you did the cymbals so deadly to ears using EQ.

the cymbals were a bit harsh. but not so harsh that you need to antagonize anyone. come on dude, seriously

[44master]

you were giving leads me to believe English is not your first language and/or you are severely uneducated.

And that is somehow relevant? It's not my first language and I'm not trying to impress someone here with my english.

Also, since you're in L.A I'll go ahead and assume you're are environmentally pre-disposed to be an arrogant *********.

This is just ridiculous and childish. But I guess Dorothy can help you to fix this mix, since you both live in Kansas, and very likely in the same neighborhood. Yeah, this is just awesome from both of us.

generally i try not to engage in too much banter, but 44master some of your comments are just inflammatory...

Well maybe some of them are.

really?? why not? whats the matter with mixing like that if someone prefers it?

I meant in this specific mix, I'm not claiming use as many plugs as you can or something.
The most ridiculous thing - why boost highs with EQ(cymbals, hihat) so extreme, but IGNORE matching EQ.
I don't think this comment about not using those things from everybody's x was somehow relevant to the mix he posted.

i couldnt disagree more. if anything, those guitars are bright. not boxy or dull. what monitors are you listening on?

Pretty standard thing, pair of Yamaha HS50s. The sound isn't bad, but because he didn't use anything to support it, it sounds like the sound is coming from small box.(do I need to say this again? it's just my opinion).

standard troll attitude... you want to post one of your mixes on this thread? id be very curious to hear one...

You can search my messages and find a few mix offs. But anyway, how is that standard? Anyone who wants to write a comment here should attach his mix to the message? Doesn't make sense to me.

rude... there are many ways to provide your opinion in a more constructive way.

Yes, if you can help to improve the mix with your constructive criticism. I don't think any of suggestions that anyone could possible post here would make it better. And what's important, I haven't said everybody's x is stupid or he can't mix a song. I just said it was a bad mix. That's all. But obviously he can't read a negative comment without having butthurt, and right after that he just feels right to call me arrogant **** just based on my(and your) location. And even after that, I believe he can do much better job on his next mix.

the cymbals were a bit harsh. but not so harsh that you need to antagonize anyone. come on dude, seriously

I said sorry at least 2 or 3 times. Maybe it's not obvious, but I'm not a God of Mixing or something like that. Everything I have said is just my opinion and my point of view.
But rev9recording, you'd lying if you were serious that it's A BIT harsh, you can honestly tell me that you have been listening to the song with a normal volume level and you haven't even noticed that it's earpiercing?

However, I agree. Some of my comments were rude and there was no need to point things out in this manner.