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How to get my mix as present and close as this? Bob Dylan cover

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How do I get my mix as present and close as this?

There is a segment of me and my partner playing "Man in the long Black Coat" by B.Dyl-dog and the a segment of his version.

I am not trying to copy his version but this album just sounds so present and up close (yes I am aware Lanois produced it)

This was recorded straight into my DAW through a Mackie Onyx 1200F. Outboard delay used everything else ITB.

Is a outboard compressor thing? analog thing? a combination?
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Try ditching the vocal delay on your version and go for a large reverb instead, with plenty of pre-delay. Get her to sing closer to the mic too - it will add presence.

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She is singing into a SM 57 Beta. So she can't get any closer.

I think even without the delay etc it still doesn't sound as 'close' but I will give your suggestion a go.

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you do realize that there's a 99.9% chance danny had bob baby singing into one of his beloved u47's > neve,right? that in itself plays into the huge round mid presence. but yes ditch the delay and create an aux with a large verb with a longish pre-delay and have her on the mic to where it's displaying some proximity effect. from there create some automation on your verb send or returns and help breath some life into by increasing and decreasing the amount of effect present on the vox.
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There's also the fact that she is a female vocalist, with a quite piercing voice. Whereas Bob Dylan is a male vocalist with an old man's low deep growly baritone.

Even more so - and this is the most important thing - Bob isn't really singing on that track, so much as whispering into the mic. Whereas your singer is really singing and emoting.

They're polar opposites.

I would put a high shelf on your singer's voice, draw a small EQ bump and try to find a low-mid (or possibly even a high-mid) sweet spot that gives her voice a bit more warmth and body.

If you can't find it then I would re-track, and get her to sing a lot more quietly, which in itself will add a fair bit of bass. And concentrate on singing from her chest: take big deep breaths in between lines.

If the instrumentation isn't already panned hard left and right, then try it, and make sure her vocal is absolutely dead-centre. You could increase the delay between the left and right guitar, which sometimes creates the illusion of an even wider space. And turn the instrumentation down a touch.
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There's also the fact that she is a female vocalist, with a quite piercing voice. Whereas Bob Dylan is a male vocalist with an old man's low deep growly baritone.

Even more so - and this is the most important thing - Bob isn't really singing on that track, so much as whispering into the mic. Whereas your singer is really singing and emoting.

They're polar opposites.
Thanks for your comments but I clearly said in my post that I didn't want to copy his version. Its the 'quality' and 'presence' of the way bob's voice is recorded that I am intrigued about.
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my stupid advice

i'm not a pro or anything, but i think that your track is present enough. maybe too present. Also, i think that the Dylan snippet is darker than yours. I believe that if you were to fill out the low and low-mid frequencies your mix would sound much better in the top end. I think it's all about balance...you know, frequency-wise. also, i would lowpass or shelf the highend of the delay. or... you could probably pull it back a tad in level.

BTW, I would use the joan osborne version of this for a reference. It sounds very very good. listen to what they did there.
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Thanks,
Yeah getting the right bass and low mid flavour is important. Thanks for the reminder.

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