Bang Goes "ALL IN THE BOX"

[Bang]

I remixed my band's first single RUN all in the box with NO OUTBOARD, not even the SSL compressor on the two mix. This is the first time I've done this in a WHILE. I was a lot more pleased with the results then I thought I would be. Check it out and let me know what you think. (if you have downloded old versions of run off my website before, you will have to rename this file because it has the same name).

http://www.blacklinerock.com/music/R...NEROCK.COM.mp3

Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[djui5]

sounds good!...

[Jose Mrochek]

Very good song!!! Sounds great, wish you all the success!! It will be well deserved

What are you using for your mastering chain? You have got it loud yet clear. I like!

pat
mms

[JohnMcD]

Hey Steve, pretty cool tunes. I listened to Superone and Run. A couple days ago I downloaded Run from the Blacklinerock site, so I don't know which version I listened to. Run sounded much more up front. I liked it. Superone was cool, a little laid back, but nevertheless it rocked.

I liked what you did with the guitars. Personally, those are the tones I usually aim for myself. I may be working with a rock band in the near future, and I'll be interested in posting and seeing what you may think. I wouldn't mind comparing notes either, seeing how you got your schtick pretty much set in stone.

I just got done with mastering a Rap group, and prior to that, I did a demo for a female artist, which I posted two of the songs. Long story short, they were recorded mono, mixed in mono and mastered in stereo. Kinda funny huh? Surprisingly, I was able to salvage a little stereo information.

How often do you post?

-John

[Bang]

Thanks man. RUN sounds more upfront because its mastered LOUDER then the others. I haven't had a chance to put the other songs through my new mastering chain. SUPERONE is not really a mix, its just the tracks leveled a bit and I added a few effects. I'm going to mix it soon and it will sound better I'm sure.

My guitar technique has changed a bit since I wrote the article on my recording website. Now I use the Voodoo labs 4 out box and I record a simultaneous feed of a Dual Rectifier AND a Marshall DSL 100. I use the fizz and sizzle from the Rec and the tone and midrange crunch from the Marshall, and I usually put one to two mics on the cabs. Using this technique has made my guitar sound 200% percent better. I'm producing the new TORN record and you'll be able to hear this technique when that disc is complete. I'd love to take a listen to your stuff John.
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[krid]

Very good mix, really powerful.
Vocals sound great.
Did you triggered the drums ?

Did you mastered this song in the box or with outboard gear ?

[Bang]

Originally posted by krid
Very good mix, really powerful.
Vocals sound great.
Did you triggered the drums ?

Did you mastered this song in the box or with outboard gear ?

Drums are not triggered. Kick I seperated into a few tracks and compressed with the Waves Renn Comp and some others till I beefed it up a bit. The snare is complimented by a sample of the same snare that I recorded before the session. Mastered all in the box with Voxengo EQ, Waves Renn Comp, T Racks Clipper, and Timeworks Limiter to UV22 dither. Thanks!
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[drmad69]

So, that comment about the midas being a better car than
a plugin has been rethought?

[dim light]

Damn good mix!

The vocals are great... yeah man! Rock on.

[Bang]

Actually, I remixed RUN again through the Midas and the results were much more pleasing although the in the box mix was pretty good I thought. The Midas sounds more "harmonically rich" and the upper mids and lows are bigger sounding. I'll post it.
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[drmad69]

Yeah, I thought you had done that before, but I'd l just got a lavry blue and some adam's and I'd really like to compare it again..

I'm myself toying with wether to try the sony plug out on a permanent basis or getting a great river to run my tracks through, it's kind a wash in the long run, but one takes a lot more time.. one allows me to be lazy and switch stuff alot more..

just curious to hear the difference in the choices you made, because I think in the long run it changes my behavior more than anything..

[krid]

I would be interested to hear your remix of RUN trough the Midas.
The ITB mix was already very good.

[Bang]

Originally posted by drmad69
Yeah, I thought you had done that before, but I'd l just got a lavry blue and some adam's and I'd really like to compare it again..

I'm myself toying with wether to try the sony plug out on a permanent basis or getting a great river to run my tracks through, it's kind a wash in the long run, but one takes a lot more time.. one allows me to be lazy and switch stuff alot more..

just curious to hear the difference in the choices you made, because I think in the long run it changes my behavior more than anything..

I think that its often overlooked that mixing with analog eqs is just as if not more important then summing out of the box. While both have sonic benefits assuming the analog chain isn't crappy, using good analog eqs really makes a huge difference when you tally up all the tracks. While the Sonalksis is a good eq, it doesn't have the harmonic richness that the Midas Venice channel eq has, although the ladder is a lot less flexible (but at the end of the mix its the sound that matters!) But like I said, summing in a good mixer can add pleasant harmonic distortion which to our ears sounds like depth and punch and this is also good.

I dislike the Sony Eq. While it is very smooth and silky unlike many other plugin eqs before it, it sounds very artificial and plasticy to me. Used on whole mixes I got very 2D results, albeit the top end wasn't harsh. I'd use the Sonalksis and newest version of Renn EQ before it. But try to run stuff out to analog eqs and the mix breathes more life as I hope you'll see when I post the new mix of RUN through the Venice. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions as your new monitoring chain will surely reveal more then I can hear!
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[dim light]

Bang I want a picture of you making the analogue sum. It would be great. I want the studio lights very dimmed and the sexy lights from your console all over the picture.

We need more music and pictures.

[Bang]

I will do that for you Dim. No problem, stay tuned.
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[dim light]

Oh rock on, many thank!

[drmad69]

Well, the thing is, I would be throwing a great river at it, not a venice instead of the sony. I mean I could try the speck tommorow instead of buying the sony eq. As far as sonaliksis, I mean after the demo time period ended so did my feeling of "needing it", I could get the other plugs to sound like it, I just had to coax them. That was my feeling anyway. I just don't want to feel that way about hardware vs software after a long trail, because if I do, with the big clear microscore, in the end, I'm not saving time, I'd just be working differently.. making myself work blind and more with my ears per say..

[Bang]

Have you considered buying a Venice? Imagine pushing a real console and using real faders and eqs and using your GR outboard in realtime.... Its a lot better. The Sonalksis to my ears had more energy in its boosts then some other eqs but it pales in comparison to most outboard eqs. But don't listen to me, try it yourself. Some live sound companies have Venice's for rent.
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[drmad69]

I just sold my analog soundcraft, I have a da7, it has
motorized faders. they move, realtime..

[Absolute]

I had the old version somewhere on my drive cause I was impressed with the sound you got.

I listen to both. I think the new one is not as smooth on the top end-which is a bit brittle now. The mix sounds more open now though. Did you mix it with that in mind or did you try to match the old sound.

[Bang]

Honestly, I mixed it to get the sound in my head and it was probably the same sound in my head as the older version. The older version was mixed out to a Midas Console and then BACK into the workstation and then again out into an SSL compressor for the final print. The newest mix of it will be mixed entirely out of the box into my new Midas 320. The reason its taking long is because I may redo the vocals, I think I can do them better.

Mixing out of the box to the Midas DEFINITELY rounds out the highs and lows in a pleasing way. I am still quite satisfied with the ITB Run mix, I just don't think its as I good as I can do it. Thanks,
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[blaugruen7]

bang,
i have really enjoyed your song.
i am very curious about what microphone and preamp you have used to the voice.
and what plugins you have applied to the voice.
all the best,
gunnar

[Bang]

Originally posted by blaugruen7
bang,
i have really enjoyed your song.
i am very curious about what microphone and preamp you have used to the voice.
and what plugins you have applied to the voice.
all the best,
gunnar

My voice on Run was a Shure SM 57. I think I ran it through the Vintech 1272 straight to the A/D. For mix I probably ran two LA-2A plugins in a series and I think I took out some junk on the top with an eq. I'm glad you like it because I don't.... If you want to hear what my voice really sounds like, listen to any of the other three songs on the Blackline webpage where I used the MXL V77 modded to a Trident S20. Thanks for the compliments on the song though... lets hope I can go from an underground hit to a mainstream hit! anyone here wanna put RUN on a soundtrack or a video game? Its begging for it...
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com

[Bang]

The "in the box" version of RUN just got nominated "Best Overall Production" and "Best Production Hard Rock" at Garageband.com. Yeeeey.
Steve
www.bangrecording.com
www.blacklinerock.com