7th January 2008
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#1 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Thread Starter  | Glyn Johns...
was asked to put up a clip from some experiments I've been doing with Glyn johns micing technique...
This is:
CAD-92 small-diaphragm condensers in the Glyn Johns setup as the 'overheads' into both channels of an old TL-Audio mic preamp
Rode K2 in cardoid about 4' off the kick/3' off the ground pointing down to the front head of the kick.. into a Vintech X73i (no EQ)
The three mics are being fed into an old Peavey 8128 line mixer and recorded with a portable Iriver mp3 player (as uncompressed wav) in a terribly untreated room.
Drums are Premier Signia maples (22/10/12/14), old Zildjian new-beats, Sabian 20" AAX metal ride, Sabian 18" HH medium-thin crash, Sabian 14" AAX studio crash.. snare is an Ocheltree carbon metal snare.
After recording - I threw a little compression on the whole mix and encoded as a 128-bit stereo MP3.
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8th January 2008
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#2 | | Gear interested
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I like it. I'm trying to get a Bonham type of feel and my partner was just explaining this technique to me. I think in a big room you won't need anything more than compression and some verb.  | |
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8th January 2008
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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well - the kick I'm using certainly helps... when I was just running the K2 by itself, it had a big, boomy sound that was a little 'bonham-esque'.
For some reason - the mp3 conversion ruined a lot of the stereo imaging - going to try to redo it and retain that... the original WAV sounds a lot better.
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8th January 2008
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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There's just something about THAT sound isn't there??
It's so Rolling stones "Sticky fingers" sounding to me.
Nice work!
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8th January 2008
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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OK - figured out that the MP3 encoder was set to MONO (smooth move!)
Here it is in all it's stereo glory.
"-)
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8th January 2008
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#6 | | Gear interested
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First thing that came to my mind was Led Zeppelin's "The Crunge"!! Very well done. With some slight EQ it would be dead on! 
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8th January 2008
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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The evil part of me wants room mics with lots of compression to really make it bang! Whenever I use this technique I always set up room mics. That way the OH's get tweaked for a bit more snare/toms and the rooms are the "big picture" of the kit.
I was kind of expecting hats right and ride left, but you can do it either way.
Good job, sounds cool.
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8th January 2008
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Funny.. I've always put hats left, ride right... for some reason I've always mixed them from the drummer's perspective.
Weird how you get into those habits.
"-)
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17th January 2008
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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Per some requests - here are a couple of better (I think) clips..
I made the overheads a little less hard-panned, and it makes a nice difference.
First clip is completely unprocessed - straight from 3 mics into a portable recorder in stereo... edited down and saved as MP3... nothing.
Second clip takes the first clip and adds some parallel compression and distortion mixed in underneath.. no reverb or EQ. Original track remains unchanged.
Let me know what you think - it's the same kit, same room as above.
"-)
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17th January 2008
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#10 | | Gear maniac
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Nice!
I have two questions:
Do you have a couple pics of the set up?
How did you add the distortion?
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17th January 2008
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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I'll snap some pics later (have a few requests for that, too)...
compression was UAD 1176... not sure which plugin I used for distortion - but it wsa probably some freebie (I like freebie plugins when they don't suck!)
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17th January 2008
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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pictures added to thread over in Low End Theory.. Glyn Johns technique... | |
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18th January 2008
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#13 | | Gear Head
Joined: Jan 2008
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yeah as a drummer i used to always do mixing from my perspective. i think that now it helps me pay more attention to everything else if i mix for audience perspective.
your recording sounds great. i have used the glyn technique a couple of times and its really fun. if you can, try a couple of good dynamics for the overheads or some ribbons. the darker sound will be smooth and huge when you hit them with the 1176.
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