Wanna give me some feedback?

[Wo0d643]

I did not write this i just recorded and mixed it. No real mastering I did put a couple things on it in Waves to bring it up a bit. Just wann see what you think. Total of four songs. Im gonna put up two for now. Let me know waht you think good bad anything will help. Other than song structure and things of this nature.

EDIT
i added files at the bottom without vocals. Also i remixed all the instrument in one.

thanks

[Wo0d643]

Oh yeah some of you may want to know

Mixed in Soanr 6
drums
OH C4s in to SP VTB1s
Toms I5s into onyx 400f pres
Snare I5 top into presonus bluetube no bottom
Kick D6 into onyx
AT4040 room into presonus bluetube

Guitars I5 and AT4040 into onyx and MXL990 into onyx
mostly mxl990 on i pretend to be alive

bass
i5 and d6 into onyx and a little di

Vocals at4040 into onyx

next two songs were recorded a bit differently so....
ill put them up soon today sometime

thanks in advace

[drakewire]

Sounds pretty raw to me... but there are a lot of things going wrong here and some things going right...
Lets address somethings the drums sound like they were recorded in an untreated room, there is a lot of bleed going on and they are not panned really that wide. The reason I start with the drums is I believe the drums on a song like this should really carry the song with good punch and delivery, but there is no real punch here, you can achieve that by focusing your efforts typically on the kick and snare, I think if you correct this the drums will be useable with some minor eq variations and better panning and placement. a slight smear of those symbols would be nice too...
Bass Line needs to sit above the kick dead in the middle too, it needs to be in harmony with the kick drum and also lined up. This will give the overall lowend of the song a special warm feeling that will be noticable.
The Vocals arent loud enough, but dont touch those until you work with everything else. The guitar needs to be up and panned, if it is, then work a bit more eq to better fit it in. Overall this is workable and a decent effort, I wouldnt recommend sending this one yet for mastering, Id work a bit more and listen to some real commercial recordings as a guide....

But good job

[Wo0d643]

Yeah it was done in my livingroom no treatment
I killed the room mic on the other songs i tracked for them.
Im going to post those up.
these guys already paid for this and got it they only want to pay so much so... and at $25/hr they are getting it pretty cheap anyway.

[Wo0d643]

two more
i did these a bit diffrently
im gonna have think about how i did it though

[Wo0d643]

are they that bad?
anyone have anything to say about the other two
im tracking some more for these guys next month sometime.
im going to try and get them to spend some more money... or just take more time and get better results despite i wont get paid for my time.
really i know they arent good enough to pick apart. I notice you guys only really critique stuff thats good. Maybe so y0ou can nit pick it. i dont know but maybe you could give me some ideas for next session.
I only ask because ive come to i guess respect things said here.

thanks either way

[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by Wo0d643

two more
i did these a bit diffrently
im gonna have think about how i did it though

Let it be known i dont think i clarified that THIS WAS MY FIRST SESSION!

ok it was like this
OH C4s into SPvTB1s
I5 on snare top and bottom into Presonus BT DP
I5 on toms into onyx
D6 on kick into maudio tampa

and its a pretty cheap ludwig kit an accent somthing i think whole kit ready to go is under 500 HH ride etc

now on the first two he wanted the kick to sound flat like that. I didnt like it i told him it was flat and lifeless but he wanted it. On the other two i made him pillow the kick and i compressed it on the way in. I like it still a bit poofy but.. again thats what he wants.

Im in your threads buggin you because they are coming again in a couple weeks and he now has a Gretsch Renown set better cymbals HHs and heads. the guitarist should have a new amp a deville 212 i think and they actually have a bassist now(so we can actually go for a sound instead of whatever sounds decent)

What do you guys in all your wisdom think i may have done wrong in tracking stages?
Im going to spend more time on the mix process even if dont get paid for it this time around.

on the panning of the drums i was told by a few people i had them too wide. So i moved them in. Any input on cutting down the bleed would be helpful. I tried my best to position mics in such a way that i would have as little as possible.

here are a couple pics on his set the first session and one with a different set but to show whats behind them.


Please help me im new i know nothin.

[Wo0d643]

[Wo0d643]

and behind

[Wo0d643]

and this is where the most of the crappy room sound comes from. im not using this anymore

[drakewire]

You dont have any wide condensors, or maybe my question should be what is your best microphone? If I were you I would use my two best mic's over head..... not to mention I would bring them a bit down... Btw... That corner is terrible for sound slaps... Try hanging a blanket in the corner or something to catch some slap backs... This room is very cluttered and it can usually cause frequency problems in recording... there are two schools of thoughts on drum rooms, either huge big areas with tall ceilings, or small wooden one... Right now you have a living room, and believe it or not with the right gating you can get some good tracks

[csiking]

Hi,

Sorry couldn't get past the singers pitch issues...as they say in Spinal Tap..."same key, I think".

[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by drakewire

You dont have any wide condensors, or maybe my question should be what is your best microphone? If I were you I would use my two best mic's over head..... not to mention I would bring them a bit down... Btw... That corner is terrible for sound slaps... Try hanging a blanket in the corner or something to catch some slap backs... This room is very cluttered and it can usually cause frequency problems in recording... there are two schools of thoughts on drum rooms, either huge big areas with tall ceilings, or small wooden one... Right now you have a living room, and believe it or not with the right gating you can get some good tracks

I have a smaller room with 1 inch wood panels on the walls it about 10ft by 10ft
regular white whatever ceiling.
best mic im gonna say my AT4040 but only one.
i have a AT2020 and i could borrow one from a friend make a pair?
ive been using the Studio Projects C4s for OH.

and newb here gating how?

[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by csiking

Hi,

Sorry couldn't get past the singers pitch issues...as they say in Spinal Tap..."same key, I think".

We all start from the same place. Im working with what i have.

[Wo0d643]

try this again
ok i loaded the first song with no vocals for you guys.
And i loaded a version (no vocals) that i remixed gated the snare and toms and well totally zeroed out and remixed it. I appreciate any words kind or harsh.
really you guys who commented THANK YOU!

Also anyone who has a quick blunt opinion Please share with me. I just want to get better at this whole thing thats why im doing it.

Wo0d

[Wo0d643]

it wont let me post anymore files
ive been cut off
oh well
goodnight

[Jade]

There is so much phase issues on the drums! Take an hour or two to read about phase issues.
In that genre you normally use the close mics primarely as the drum sound.
You can get usable results with your gear. Read around! Learn the basics!!
It is not the best band either.

(I dont mean to be rude, but I think it is a little much for you to take 25$ an hour. You should focus on doing free jobs and getting good at recording)

[Chadlington]

Its about time you"pro's" stop making things sound the same, and calling other peoples mixes wrong.

I'm sure he doesn't have the gear you all have. I spent the first half of my career making records with cheap crap, and it was extremely difficult to make things sound acceptable. Now that I have some nice things, mixing has gotten much easier. Making it sound unique is what I think is difficult now.

I bet that raw dry drum sound will be the newest thing one day, when the gear that recorded it can't be found anymore.


tips: if you want it to sound the same as everybody elses: put samples on the drums, beat detect, MORE senseless compression, overtune the vocal. add 100000 BGV's, do something with the bass.....anything, get it mastered from a pro,. Just my opinion..........my advice to you would be:
DON'T TAKE MY ADVICE!

[drakewire]

Wow... So thats why we all sound the same... I was wondering... Thanks for clearing that up for me


"if you want it to sound the same as everybody elses: put samples on the drums, beat detect, MORE senseless compression, overtune the vocal. add 100000 BGV's, do something with the bass.....anything, get it mastered from a pro,."

GOOD ADVICE!!!!!! You Must be a Pro...

[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by Jade

There is so much phase issues on the drums! Take an hour or two to read about phase issues.
In that genre you normally use the close mics primarely as the drum sound.
You can get usable results with your gear. Read around! Learn the basics!!
It is not the best band either.

(I dont mean to be rude, but I think it is a little much for you to take 25$ an hour. You should focus on doing free jobs and getting good at recording)

ive gotta pay for all this stuff somehow man. maybe you had it all bought for you when you started? this shit is not cheap man. im sure you know that. i decided on this price because the other studios in town(who do have much better gear and drum rooms) dont sound all that much better than what ive done. They charge minumum $100/hr. im charging a quater of that, and if they dont like it then they can get 7 hours for what they paid me and get the drums started instead of 4 phased shit recordings.
thanks though thats what i need. and i do read and ask for opnions (example:http://www.gearslutz.com/board/work-...-feedback.html)

im here keep it coming.
1. Phase
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

thanks Wo0d

[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by Chadlington

Its about time you"pro's" stop making things sound the same, and calling other peoples mixes wrong.

I'm sure he doesn't have the gear you all have. I spent the first half of my career making records with cheap crap, and it was extremely difficult to make things sound acceptable. Now that I have some nice things, mixing has gotten much easier. Making it sound unique is what I think is difficult now.

I bet that raw dry drum sound will be the newest thing one day, when the gear that recorded it can't be found anymore.


tips: if you want it to sound the same as everybody elses: put samples on the drums, beat detect, MORE senseless compression, overtune the vocal. add 100000 BGV's, do something with the bass.....anything, get it mastered from a pro,. Just my opinion..........my advice to you would be:
DON'T TAKE MY ADVICE!

thanks
what do you think of the mixes. anything?
i put up a different mix as well if you didnt see it.

[diatonic]

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[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by diatonic

Falling Out gets a from me and a repeat listen. I thought the lyrics and performance could be tighter, but the melody and the vibe was good. I liked the guitar tone, a hint of new order although there was a buzz in the guitar that did not sound right. Thanks for sharing.

thanks
we went over and over it thats just how they played that day.
and the buzz came from his ratty blues jr. couldnt get him to change the tubes or use another amp. we did track some stuff with my traynor but it was"too clean"
im pretty sure after a couple more songs we will redo that one and "i pretend to be alive"

[peeder]

I listened to the tracks marked "FINAL" (I think you replaced the initial ones...which is too bad since I would have liked to hear the progress, but maybe file limits forced you to?).

I thought the tracks were completely usable. I think you need to work on mixing techniques primarily. The electric guitar could have been captured better but the vocal (well, on falling out, the other one is a bit dark) and drums sound fine as raw tracks.

I think you have every right to charge what your market will bear for your services.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by Wo0d643

ive gotta pay for all this stuff somehow man. maybe you had it all bought for you when you started? this shit is not cheap man. im sure you know that. i decided on this price because the other studios in town(who do have much better gear and drum rooms) dont sound all that much better than what ive done. They charge minumum $100/hr. im charging a quater of that, and if they dont like it then they can get 7 hours for what they paid me and get the drums started instead of 4 phased shit recordings.
thanks though thats what i need. and i do read and ask for opnions (example:http://www.gearslutz.com/board/work-...-feedback.html)

im here keep it coming.
1. Phase
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

thanks Wo0d

Ok! Sorry for saying you cant charge money. If they think it`s fair to pay 25, it`s cool

But A B cd`s when you mix ALL the time. Make it sound as similar as possible.
And find articles about recording drums, guitars, bass etc..
+ to read about "eq laws". There are alot of general guidelines.
I dont know how much you know but I think that kind of research would do you well!

Best of luck to you!

J

[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by peeder

I listened to the tracks marked "FINAL" (I think you replaced the initial ones...which is too bad since I would have liked to hear the progress, but maybe file limits forced you to?).

I thought the tracks were completely usable. I think you need to work on mixing techniques primarily. The electric guitar could have been captured better but the vocal (well, on falling out, the other one is a bit dark) and drums sound fine as raw tracks.

I think you have every right to charge what your market will bear for your services.

Dont mind the file names other than actual title. Thats just for organization purposes. W are going to redo both of those songs. Im going to charge them something so they arent screwin around too much. Im getting where i dont like these recordings that much. I dont think they are what they could be..

i remixed and posted one of them in post #15

Also i do have some folks im doing stuff for free with.. One i wont post here because it sucks. I cant make cracked old ass cymbals, poorly tuned toms with no bottom heads, poorly maintained guitars, digital behreinger amps ETC..... well i cant fix that stuff but i made it sound best i could.

Anyway

[Jake Dempsey]

Try reversing the phase on one of the overhead channels and bring the OHs way down in the mix. How is the compression run on the kick and snare?

Was this recorded live? I hear some noise on the guitar intro. It could be the guitar causing the snare to rattle? Gate the kick and snare. You can copy the kick onto 3 tracks. run a lowpass filter on one for the low end fundamental of the kick, highpass on the other for beater attack. First, get your natural kick drum track sounding good and blend in the other 2 tracks to taste. This isn't the ideal way of doing things, but I think it will help you with the mix you have. Start the mix with drums, then bass, then everything else.

Vox sound pretty good.

edit- tube rattle on the guitar amp. got it. Have these guys get their gear up too snuff man. They're going to bitch and moan about the session, but the gear all sounds very very bad. I think that's the biggest problem you're facing with this band. Tune the drums, new heads, new strings, new tubes, and convince that guy to turn the cheesy chorus/flange thing off. Have him double the guitar parts maybe through different amps and hard pan them instead. If you're tracking them again, get the OHs a little closer to the cymbals.

[Wo0d643]

Originally Posted by Jake Dempsey

Try reversing the phase on one of the overhead channels and bring the OHs way down in the mix. How is the compression run on the kick and snare?

Was this recorded live? I hear some noise on the guitar intro. It could be the guitar causing the snare to rattle? Gate the kick and snare. You can copy the kick onto 3 tracks. run a lowpass filter on one for the low end fundamental of the kick, highpass on the other for beater attack. First, get your natural kick drum track sounding good and blend in the other 2 tracks to taste. This isn't the ideal way of doing things, but I think it will help you with the mix you have. Start the mix with drums, then bass, then everything else.

Vox sound pretty good.

edit- tube rattle on the guitar amp. got it. Have these guys get their gear up too snuff man. They're going to bitch and moan about the session, but the gear all sounds very very bad. I think that's the biggest problem you're facing with this band. Tune the drums, new heads, new strings, new tubes, and convince that guy to turn the cheesy chorus/flange thing off. Have him double the guitar parts maybe through different amps and hard pan them instead. If you're tracking them again, get the OHs a little closer to the cymbals.

not much compression on the kick in the first tracks
i put a bit 3:1 on the other version low threshhold quick attack pretty quick release. double it one with more low pass(less high)

no comp on snare
i ran the toms into a sperate bus(gated) and back to the Drum bus. Gated snare left the floor up a bit so as not to sound sampled. did NOT gate kick, but put a bit of a low pass on the main kick track to cut some bleed.

oh man i gotta get back to work
TBC