Jumping into the water

[Fishmed]

Just seeing how my mixes fly around here.

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Enjoy!

[Todd]

You may have some monitoring issues here.

Are you mixing in a small room??

You have a huge black hole in the mid bass region= around 100hz to 700hz

Small rooms tend to have alot of build up in that area.

Dont really know what to tell ya. Re-access your monitors and mix room.
Look into some Basstraps. Try adding another pair of monitors with
smaller bass drivers, like 5 or 6 inches. They tend to be more truthful
in the mid lows than 8, 10 inches and bigger.
I had a similar issue as yours when i was using Mackie HR824's in a
12x12 room.
I switched to ADAMS with a 6 inch driver, and am now in a room 16x20
with a few basstraps. A HUGE WORLD of difference.

Other issues i hear would be, the slap bass tone. Just not good. Bad tone. Sounds very dated.
The cymbals seem on the cibilant side to me as well.
Again, just generally sounds like you scooped the mid range out of everything, and
that just doesnt work.

The brian and phillip clip on your site suffers the same big hole.
The clips posted that have no drums or bass, sound pretty decent.
The acoustic guitar tone needs pretty major help.

I suggest getting rid of your Behringer and Boss stuff, and looking into
some better A/D conversion.

Best of luck!
TK

[diatonic]

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[Todd]

Diatonic may be correct regarding 200 as opposed to 100hz..

I am listening on my net computer which is Logitech with a subwoofer.

100hz tends to go missing on this system.

Regardless, there's definately things to address in the general low mid
area.
tk

[Fishmed]

Thanks guys. These are the kinds of comments I was hoping to get.

Yes my room is quite small. I know my room is lacking, now I have a better idea where. I will work on getting better bass traps.

The Behringer and Boss, stuff were not used on any part of this song as well as the other song, although I have been on a quest to make gear improvements.

I shall go back to the drawing board on the mixes.

[diatonic]

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[Fishmed]

Originally Posted by diatonic

I think it's close, you may just need to a/b against mixes you like. The ear trains quickly to get used to a sound. I wasn't trying to be picky about the 100 hz vs 200 hz. Boosting down low can cause problems so you want to make sure it is the right thing before you start piling too much up down there. I mess up my bass all the time because I can't hear it well in my setup.

Ha, that is my problem, I like Prog-Metal.

Seriously, now that I know where to look in my mixes, I think can get some better mixes. At least I was consistant in the flaws. This song is part of an ablum I recorded several years ago, so I am remixing it for more practice and refinement.

The full band mixes I did on the Behringer, have bigger frequency issues than this one, mainly because of the pre amps.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Fishmed

Ha, that is my problem, I like Prog-Metal.

Seriously, now that I know where to look in my mixes, I think can get some better mixes. At least I was consistant in the flaws. This song is part of an ablum I recorded several years ago, so I am remixing it for more practice and refinement.

The full band mixes I did on the Behringer, have bigger frequency issues than this one, mainly because of the pre amps.

Yeah, this a good thing for you. I went through the exact same process.
I posted some mixes, and got similar feedback. Then i went back
to the drawing board (mixing board) and tore my mixes down, to
build them back up again. Made some gear changes, etc..
And things are looking up, so
Its all good!
Again, best of luck! And i'd love to hear more mixes from you in
the near future to hear how you're doing.thumbsup
TK

[Fishmed]

(Removed new mix link... SUCK-O-LA!!)

[Fishmed]

Ok, NOW I have a much better mix up for evaluation. I left the original for comparison.


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[Jens Siefert]

Hello Mr. Fisher,

Seems you've a monitoring issue indeed. The Hole mentioned above is still there, Hihat and Snare are really mean @ 4k and above, Vox and Guitars have that 1k näg näg, there are tons of harsh highs and so on..

I know you shouln't do this but try a mix just using a sort of analyser comparing between your mix and some commercial Records. Make your mix duller than the others, like a gentle roll off from 4k to 18k, because your recordings cant stand that much treble cause the treble doesn't sound good at them, maybe your gear, mic positions...

Make every instrument look really flat on the analyser first, guitars from 100 till 4k k then roll off .till about 8k, Overheads from 200 to 10k, Snare from 200 to maybe 5-6 and so on.

Find the offending Frequencies. Boost narrow, sweep (better hear, guess, adjust freq., turn eq on, if its not the one turn off, guess again till you find it and the cut narrow, turn eq on off to learn how the specific Frequ. mask your audio.)

Find the plastic Freq. first, often between 800-4k. Its the quak quak (900-1k) or näg näg (about 2k) or (küch küch) 3k, kich kich (4k) then cut, till the signals arent peaky or itchy anymore. Maybe that sounds dull to you first but leave it...


Try it, look at the analyser, practice, practice, don't listen at high volumes. Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Jens