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"TELL ME WHY"

So here's the story....I'm basically a SINGER/SONGWRITER who writes in several styles & I recently wrote a country ballad....

I Live in L.A. & for the life of me could not find a "country" music producer locally....I wasn't even even close to having finances for Nashville....I finally just moved forward myself & brought in different players locally & had them stick to the original feeling of the tune.......

Let me know your thoughts on the song, vocals, & production......All feedback is greatly appreciated.

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I'm not much for country - but you have a good voice and everything sits well. Do tell you gear setup / chain.
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Actually recorded it in 2 different home studios.........One thing I can say is I am a firm believer in the NEUMAN U87 with an AVALON pre-amp....We tried a few different ideas and I felt this worked best....
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BTW...........I know this isn't a country forum Thanks for the listen

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Feedback,

Thanks for the kind word.......I do the best I can with the budget I have..which is a shredded shoestring budget....
UI appreciate the encouragement

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I listen to a lot of folk/acoustic/roots music...though I'm not a huge fan of most modern country. I do want to say that this is a really nice tune. I'd actually hate to see it overcooked by the excessive production one hears on the 'radio ready' music that passes for country nowadays. It's really nice as is...

My only comment on the mix is that the guitar on the right does seem disassociated from the rest of the tune. Maybe it's too hard panned? Maybe it simply needs to come up in the mix? Nice vocals.
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Hey guys great feedback....you are the 1st two to comment on the guitar panned....I kinda left it up to the mixer guy as he did get the OVERALL mix right and he does this everday...

It's a touch hard....(NOW I NOTICE IT) LOL

Thank you for the input & encouragement as well

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Even though this is not my genre of choice, I feel this song works at every level. The production really clean, the song structure is economical and the vocals are great. Given to the right hands, this song
could be a hit.

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Great song.

Now,

I like the music to follow the words, to a certain degree. Take for example (my only example of this), the phrase "It don't last too long". The singer, in my opinion, as a (wannabe) producer, shouldn't hold the note too long.

Last second should be cut off. Just drums and bass at the end. Or more emphasis on the tonal key. The tononic? The 1 (note, not rhythm). I think the key is A in this case.

I don't know. Trying to improve a good one is hard.
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Im curious to know what you're ultimate goal or aim is with your material.

If you're talking about going to Nashville, and selling your songs/getting
publishing deals, things of that nature, i'd say this song is not up to
the level you would need.
Tried and true stock progresions like this are fine, but you need a great
story line, (or new twist on an old one) and a hook.

You say things like, "im no good for you, you're no good for me"
and "why do we do the things we do" These things are just too ordinary,
and "been done a million times" I mean, they DO work, but they need
to be in conjunction with a twist or analogy or some sort.

You never really have any clever or interesting ways to wrap these
things up or finish the idea with a twist or play on words. I dont get any
visuals in my head from any of the lyrics either. You just keep asking
the same question (why) and stating the same issues over and over.

The arrangment seems wierd to me in places too. There are moments
in the chorus, where 5 or 6 seconds go by, with nothing happening.
No singing, and no instrumental melody to fill the hole.

As far as production, if you have a great song, it will sort of produce itself.
That is, if you're going for the typical Nashvillian thing. That sound is
fairly narrow. It should be obvious as far as instrumentation, etc...

To be clear, im speaking in comparison to the big pop/country artists like Rascal Flats, Tim Mcgraw, Keith Urban, etc..
If you're talking "Alt/country", then what i said doesnt mean much.
My 2 cents.
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Smile Nice song

I like the sincere lyrics and message. The production/arrangment takes me back to a simple 70's era country ballad. There is nothing wrong with that.

BTW I know several country music producers in Los Angeles.

Good job Steve!

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I would like some of the names of the country music producers in los angeles you were talking about...I got another tune I want to get done.

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Nice work man.....Liked the tune a lot, a bit off balance in the speakers but, easily overlooked by the message in the lyrics.
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Btw, just wondering what kind of mic did you use? It sounds great.

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Actually Steve I used a NEUMANN U87...matter of fact this mic was used on the hit song "WHO LET THE DOGS OUT"

If this tune has just a portion of that success I would be well-pleased

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I like it, you sound darn good cowboy!
I'm impressed!
Nice mix and some very, good sounds.

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It was hard for me to hear it for the sonic quality since Im on a laptop in my studio and too lazy to patch in my computer to the mains. But all in all a good country tune,especially to come out of LA


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I like it too (and I'm a bloozer).

The only "correction" that I can suggest is to "darken" the EQ for the acoustic guitar. The only reason it seems too far left is that it's too "crispy" and not as "realistic" as I'd like. It's the "crispy" sound that draws attention. I took 2k and 6k down in WinXP player, though of course it effected the whole song...

You could also begin the track with the acoustic closer to the center in the beginning then slide it left. With altered EQ it would sound fine.

In fact, the whole track sounds fine! Nice job!
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Talking Country Music Producers

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Hi Steve,
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Sorry for the delayed response..
Here are a few country music producers in L.A. with whom I've had the great pleasure of working.
Mad Dog Studios, Dusty Wakeman
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Yea it does help alot...On my next country tune which is already written, I would really prefer to have a producer to bounce stuff off of....Though it worked out I had to work too hard......LOL
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