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Old 15th August 2006, 09:39 PM   #1
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Picking the right ME for a project. Need input.

I got this one cat that I've been knowing for a while that is a pretty good engineer. Financially, it would be in my favor to go to him to master my album because he just charges by the hour, which is like $40/hr but he only masters ITB. He has a analog console, 2" tape machine, and some other analog gear but he only masters ITB. He told me going through the analog gear would bring in noise. Now I don't know if he is just trying to cut corners but he said to master a album it takes him about three times as long as the album IS. Now many of you guys cringe at the idea of mastering only ITB, with plugins.
So my question is....what are the AUDIBLE benefits of doing one versus the other?

2. Should I trust this guy to my album that I've spend lots of money and time putting together?

And ...

3. What are the signs of a good ME vs. a bad one?
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After 800 and more post .. you should know better .... all the efford for making you're recordings and than finishing it off for $ 120,- in three hours ...

even where he says .. analog brings in all that noise .......

well it could work ... hope so for you ..

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Old 15th August 2006, 10:20 PM   #3
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After 800 and more post .. you should know better .... all the efford for making you're recordings and than finishing it off for $ 120,- in three hours ...

even where he says .. analog brings in all that noise .......

well it could work ... hope so for you ..

greetings Wim

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All...come on man.

Cut me some slack. I'm just trying to get a little input about the mastering process. I really am kinda clueless to its details.

Sorry man.

But you still didn't give me any real feedback.
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Old 15th August 2006, 10:42 PM   #4
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well I think I did .....

1. I don't want to bash a tech .. mayby he's real good ........

2. "I" would go for some outboard analog/digital mastering ....

new :

3. Check the credits or webpage .. on the ME and his stuff. Trust ... and mayby get some free testmasterings ... before sending out / trusting you're project to an ME

well detroit should be big enough to find some ME so you could sit in on the session.... if you want ..differrent room/accoustic/speakers .. fresh ears .... how importnet is you're project to you ...

4. let him master it ... and do one or two tracks somewher else .. if there's a BIG difference ... you'll know what to do ..
would be a nice solution .. if the tech was great during tracking/mix .. and a friend .. he will not be offended .. everybody happy in the end ...:-)

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You can send a track out to mastering engineers for a "test master" to see what they'll do with it. I'd recommend sending the same track to 3 different guys.

Make sure Brad Blackwood gets one :)

If you've spent a lot of time/money so far, why f'k it up now? Go all the way.
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Sending it around for a test is a good idea.

Local guys are a good idea.

Guys who do your style well are a good idea.





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all the efford for making you're recordings and than finishing it off for $ 120,- in three hours ...
Why cut corners in mastering? Compared to the cost of recording or mixing, going with professional mastering is positively cheap.
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He told me going through the analog gear would bring in noise.


Yah, maybe if you master from a digi002 through a Behringer ultra comp into an 80's tascam back into the digi002............

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Now many of you guys cringe at the idea of mastering only ITB, with plugins.
So my question is....what are the AUDIBLE benefits of doing one versus the other?
Well if you don't have decent D/A/D or any decent analog mastering gear it's probably better to stay ITB. Personally, plugins have always sounded bad (ie NOT musical) to me and only useful for surgical work. I wouldn't use them personally but someone with good ears could definitely "improve" your mixes with plugins. If your friend has projects that he's mastered in the past listen to those and make a decision based upon what you hear. At the very least, if you decide to go with your friend, attend the session and listen to the changes he is making to your mixes...
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Why cut corners in mastering? Compared to the cost of recording or mixing, going with professional mastering is positively cheap.

A mic is what? $75 to $7500. A 1 ch. Pre Amp? $100 to $1000. A Compressor? .... you get the idea

Paying a Mastering engineer to help determine if anyone listens to your work or records with you ever again ... priceless.



Going all the way wont ensure success, but if you're cutting any corners ... you're not committed to success. And it's not a rare thing that mastering gives a record the maximum attention it could ever have.

Every ME has saved many a record from sounding broken and poorly done to at least sounding interesting and coherent, if not well done. What's that worth?
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