Lathe Cut in Europe?

[_barnee]

Hello guys,

I'd like to know if there is someone talented in making Lathe Cuts records in Europe.
Please, let me know. I got some projects to be made.

Thx!!

[gainreduction]

Abbey road maybe ?

[Gengy]

In Italy...ELETTROFORMATI SRL

The studios are located in Milan and equipped with Neumann VMS 80 Lathe and SP75 Console.


bye

[807Recordings]

By Lathe do you just mean cutting Lacquers?

If that is the case then
Dub Plates and Mastering Berlin
DUBPLATES & MASTERING


The Exchange Mastering London,
The Exchange Mastering Studios

Metropolis London,
Metropolis Group | Recording Studios, Mastering and Digital Media


just to name a few of the best.

[_barnee]

Well... No... I'm not looking for lacquer cuts.

I'm looking for people doing lathe cut records 'a la Peter King'.

[807Recordings]

So essentially a dub plate or a one off?

Unless I am missing something here that is exactly what DPM does.

[Soundmaster Alex]

yep, along with about 100 other places in Europe.

Europe is pretty vague - OP, you probably have somewhere that can cut plates within 50 miles of your house. Just google it. If you're in the UK, holler at us or others already mentioned!

Or did you want a chocolate one? YouTube - Man Makes Chocolate Records

[Cellotron]

Originally Posted by 807Recordings

So essentially a dub plate or a one off?

Unless I am missing something here that is exactly what DPM does.

A "lathe cut" is a one off similar to an acetate reference or dubplate - however it generally is done on a material other than an acetate that are generally harder (so lasts for many more plays than an acetate - but generally is more difficult to get as good of sound quality for) and often require diamond styli to cut into them (although steel styli are used by some folks like Peter King for lower-fi stuff as well).

Among the most common materials used are poly-carbonate's like Lexan (a usually clear plastic), and Marklon, as well as blank PVC (the same as vinyl record).

For those with lathes looking to get into this some sources in Europe:
Lexan blank discs are available from vinylike. the new direct cut media
Diamond styli are available from http://www.vinylium.ch

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[misjah]

www.thevinylroom.nl

[_barnee]

Hi Steve!
Thanks my man, YOU know what I'm looking talking about.
Yes, I'm looking for someone able to make polycarbonate records.
Such as Peter King does.

I'm looking for Europe, because I can't afford paying crazy money for USA>Europe shipping. Peter King doing his thing in NZ, without internet...

OK, if you know someone doing this in EU, let me know.
THANKS!!

B.






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[Cellotron]

Originally Posted by _barnee

Hi Steve!
Thanks my man, YOU know what I'm looking talking about.
Yes, I'm looking for someone able to make polycarbonate records.
Such as Peter King does.

I'm looking for Europe, because I can't afford paying crazy money for USA>Europe shipping. Peter King doing his thing in NZ, without internet...

OK, if you know someone doing this in EU, let me know.
THANKS!!

B.






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B -
I know of a few places here in the USA but unfortunately don't know who would do a good job in the EU - however absolutely the best place to look for this is on the Lathe Trolls board where a good number of folks (including in Europe) making lathe cuts regularly post - The Secret Society of Lathe Trolls

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[lbruun]

Originally Posted by Cellotron

B -
I know of a few places here in the USA but unfortunately don't know who would do a good job in the EU - however absolutely the best place to look for this is on the Lathe Trolls board where a good number of folks (including in Europe) making lathe cuts regularly post - The Secret Society of Lathe Trolls

Best regards,
Steve Berson

In Helsinki I think these guys can do it:

record cutting | timmion records

Cheers,

T

[_barnee]

Originally Posted by lbruun

In Helsinki I think these guys can do it:

record cutting | timmion records

Cheers,

T

I'm afraid they don't do lathe cut records... :-(

[Cellotron]

Originally Posted by _barnee

I'm afraid they don't do lathe cut records... :-(

Here's one place in Germany that does - dr. dub - vinyl recording service - vinyl pressing - dubplates

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[_barnee]

Originally Posted by Cellotron

Here's one place in Germany that does - dr. dub - vinyl recording service - vinyl pressing - dubplates

Best regards,
Steve Berson

I haven't seen any info saying they do lathe cut... ;-(
They do dubplates, but no lathe cut on polycarbonate.

[Cellotron]

Originally Posted by _barnee

I haven't seen any info saying they do lathe cut... ;-(

From the page I linked:
"you send or upload your tracks - we cut them on premium quality vinyl discs"

They do dubplates, but no lathe cut on polycarbonate.

Did you email and ask them directly? Looks to me in their studio pics they have a Souri Vinyl Recorder opposite of the Neumann lathe.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[_barnee]

I'll contact them, but I don't expect anything.
They don't offer long time side on their LP side. 12 minutes only on a 12", probably for the 'best' levels...but I could need more side lenght.

[Cellotron]

Originally Posted by _barnee

I'll contact them, but I don't expect anything.
They don't offer long time side on their LP side. 12 minutes only on a 12", probably for the 'best' levels...but I could need more side lenght.

Be aware that a lot (most?) folks that provide lathe cuts are using either
"dub-cutter" systems (such as the Vinylium Kingston Dub Cutter - or the Souri Vinyl Recorder) where an overhead assembly with a stereo cutter head is mounted on a direct drive turntable (in which case you get a good bit more wow and flutter than typical professional lathes give)
- or on older fixed pitch lathes such as Presto's with mono cutter heads such as Grampians (in which case you get shorter side lengths).

In either case your expectations for possible levels, side lengths, and over all sound quality (including frequency response and surface noise) should likely be lower than what you would be able to expect for these with a pressed vinyl record or with the first few plays off a reference acetate made on a pro system.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[_barnee]

I'm already aware of the lather cut 'quality'...
And also about the lenght of a side, etc...

Right now, I have several projects that I'd like to see how they could turn on those lathe cut records.

[mossboss]

Well Steve already offered you the best possible solution The lathe Troll site
Its free to stick an ad there you wil get quite a few responses
Regardless "discoelite" in Padova Italy would most likely give you a good deal as well as quite excellent sound as he has a heavily modified cutting machine
that delivers very good results
No comparisson to King's cuts This is almost vinyl quality
Cheers

[_barnee]

I've searched in the SSLT forums, and haven't found someone in Europe doing this.
All places given here on the previous posts, brings to people who do dubplates/lacquer cuts. Some could do the lathe cut on polycarbonate, but at insane costs.

Anyway, I will probably get this done by US guys if I don't find anyone in Europe...

[duomo]

I hope you find someone in the US doing this at lower costs, but I don´t think it would be much cheaper. The price of most european cutters are fair, because thats a real time job !!
If you cut a record with 25 min total playing time it lasts 25 min + the time of testcuts, setting up the machine ect... The blanks aren´t cheap and the stylus which is very expensive don´t last forever. So If you do it on a professional level, you have to calculate the prices like they are .
If you want small runs of your editions why don´t you press 100 or 50 whitelabels thats possible and cheaper ...
good luck

[_barnee]

Pressing could be awesome, especially on limited runs... But seriously, where are the plants able to press 50 or 100 vinyls?
I've been looking for them for years, got some adresses already but prices...
Usually, in the range of 550-800 euros for 100 copies.
I could end doing that way someday, but right now I want to try a lathe cut on polycarbonate.

Curiously some people PM'ed me to ask if I've found something about lathe cuts on polycarbonate, looks I'm not the only one interested in.

[Borai]

Hello

Long time lurker, first time poster!

may i add my 2cents...

i've been using these guys in the last year or so, and very happy with the results

Dub Studio :: Dubplates and Mastering

They have a history in cutting one track per side loud vinyl dubplates for DJ's, but can cut extra tracks and are always up for a chat.

[Cellotron]

Originally Posted by _barnee

Pressing could be awesome, especially on limited runs... But seriously, where are the plants able to press 50 or 100 vinyls?

Many plants can in fact do this as an order of white label test pressings. Of course if there's any problems with the records you generally don't have any recourse for a repress with this type of order.

Curiously some people PM'ed me to ask if I've found something about lathe cuts on polycarbonate, looks I'm not the only one interested in.

Here's a vid of Dr. Dub explaining (in German) cutting directly on pvc on a Neumann VMS-66 with a Vinylium SC-99 cutter head (using a diamond stylus) -
YouTube - dr dub cutting a vinyl record on a neumann vms66 lathe

A place in the USA doing lathe cuts as a regular service on a Presto-6N (fixed pitch) using a mono Grampian C cutter head is HOME

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Paul Gold]

Originally Posted by _barnee

I've been looking for them for years, got some adresses already but prices...
Usually, in the range of 550-800 euros for 100 copies.

It costs the same amount of money to make lacquers and stampers no matter how many records you press. It's probably about 1 euro per record after that.

It's like asking for 100 business cards. They charge you for 1000 and save you the hassle of throwing away 900 yourself.

[_barnee]

Originally Posted by Borai

Hello

Long time lurker, first time poster!

may i add my 2cents...

i've been using these guys in the last year or so, and very happy with the results

Dub Studio :: Dubplates and Mastering

They have a history in cutting one track per side loud vinyl dubplates for DJ's, but can cut extra tracks and are always up for a chat.

They don't do lathe cut records on polycarbonate, which is what I'm looking for.

Originally Posted by Paul Gold

It costs the same amount of money to make lacquers and stampers no matter how many records you press. It's probably about 1 euro per record after that.

It's like asking for 100 business cards. They charge you for 1000 and save you the hassle of throwing away 900 yourself.

Well... there is a big difference in pressing 100 and 1000 LPs. Of course, the lacquers and stampers will cost the same in both case, but end prices will be very different. Shipping charges will be different as well. So taxes.

Anyway, I'd be glad to know if anyone in europe does the lathe cut on poly thing.

[_barnee]

anyone?
I'm still in hope.

[blindrecords]

looking for some Lathe cut processors for limited edition vinyl 12 inch

does anyone have any suggestions

[dietrich10]

you looking for acetate cuts or on vinyl lathe cuts?