looking for THE mastering engineer to send major work to...

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

Again Mickael, upload that great clip so that we can learn this important lesson in "2009" music mastering, I am serious. If you don't, I think some people may perceive this thread very differently.

Regards,

Ed, Using the Tone knob does not "tune" a 808 the way a MPC does when you use the 16 level function which is what I thought you were refering to. as far as The sample from the None ME guy. he indeed di a great Job on the low end and kick but some other aspect was of course not up to the levels of you guys here.

As far as How people might "perceive" this thread "if" I don't post a sample... could care less, I have nothing to prove
Again Ed I;m Not trying to start an argument or to TEACH anybody a lesson in "2009" mastering, not at all. I was just looking for a ME to complement my way of working. Taste and decisions are personal nothing more nothing less

[Edward_Vinatea]

Originally Posted by mdjice

Ed, Using the Tone knob does not "tune" a 808 the way a MPC does when you use the 16 level function which is what I thought you were refering to.

I guess I am going crazy with the years and as I get older. I remember tuning the kicks to all my song demos with the "tone" knob!. And I guess you deny this is possible

as far as The sample from the None ME guy. he indeed di a great Job on the low end and kick but some other aspect was of course not up to the levels of you guys here.

Only on the low end?? Your concept of great mastering is wrong then. I can also make the biggest punchiest phatest low end, but the rest is muffled with no mid highs details, that's not the point of mastering.

As far as How people might "perceive" this thread "if" I don't post a sample... could care less, I have nothing to prove

Then why should we care about your mix and work on it? Trust me, if you don't post a sample, we'll never learn anything about this thread.

again Ed I;m Not trying to start an argument or to TEACH anybody a lesson in "2009" mastering, not at all. I was just looking for a ME to complement my way of working. Taste and decisions are personal nothing more nothing less

The thing you have to remember is that when you start a thread with promises of jobs and ask people to work on your mixes, you have the responsibility as the OP to follow up with feedback which is instructing not misleading. You have made all the ME's who responded; those that PMed you and those who were publicly exposed like me here, look somewhat incompetent by your remarks. It's only fair that you show what you considered to be the "great" sound you were looking for so that others can judge and make their own conclusions for themselves.

[mdjice]

I made NO ONE incompetent!! actually you are more the one trying to tell make me look incompetent by telling me how to use MY 808...fine...
anyways I don't know what your problem is I asked for people to do a Test master like most people do in mastering and I got replied and thanked personaly EVERYONE who submitted something. In the End I contacted a couple of MEs that I thought matched what I was looking for in term of service pricing etc... IT makes in NO WAY anybody else incompetent!! if you feel that way that's not my problem.
It's Like if before buying I'm trying out a Neve Preamp and a UA 610, if I pick the 610 because it suits my voice better does it mean that the neve sucks?? not one bit!!
again I don't see why you seam to get offended. I mixed projects for majors and sometimes they loved it sometimes they went somewhere else because that's not what they were looking for..fine, that's the way business goes.
I'm done explaining myself. if any of you guys have a question or a comment I would be pleased to answer any PM.
again thanks for the hard work
I will ask the ME who was picked on this song by the manager of the artists if it's ok to upload a sample of the work).
M.

[Edward_Vinatea]

Originally Posted by mdjice

I made NO ONE incompetent!! actually you are more the one trying to tell make me look incompetent by telling me how to use MY 808...fine...

Hello? I am no the one trying to make you feel incompetent here Mickael. But, it was you who argued that the 808 could not have its bass drum tuned, detuned, pitch changed or whatever to a song, remember?

anyways I don't know what your problem is I asked for people to do a Test master like most people do in mastering and I got replied and thanked personaly EVERYONE who submitted something.

That's great and you're welcome, but you also said:

Originally Posted by mdjice

Actually the person who made it sound great is NOT a ME he is a producer/mix engineer friend of mine who just gave it a shot.

That remark speaks for itself and the reason I am questioning you in the first place. I don't see what harm there is in submitting that sample. In fact you need to do this to support your contention.

In the End I contacted a couple of MEs that I thought matched what I was looking for in term of service pricing etc...

I will ask the ME who was picked on this song by the manager of the artists if it's ok to upload a sample of the work).
M.

Does this mean that a GearSlut member was chosen after all? Also, nothing wrong with having the manager choose a ME, but I thought it was YOU who wanted to select and put MEs though your own "selection" process as per you discussions with 24-96 Mastering and Boomshanka.

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

Hello? I am no the one trying to make you feel incompetent here Mickael. But, it was you who argued that the 808 could not have its bass drum tuned, detuned, pitch changed or whatever to a song, remember?

That's great and you're welcome, but you also said: That remarks speaks for itself and the reason I am questioning you in the first place. I don't see what harm there is in submitting that sample. In fact you need to do this to support your contention.

Does this mean that a GearSlut member was chosen after all? Also, nothing wrong with having the manager choose a ME, but I thought it was YOU who wanted to select and put MEs though your own "selection" process as per you discussions with 24-96 Mastering and Boomshanka.

Yes a GS mastering was chosen. I chose who I would think would work best for me BEFORE submiting anything to the manager. He actually chose the same one...it was a BLIND test mastering 1 thru 4.
I actually liked 2 differents ME one that the manager didn't pick/like but I will still look forward working with him too.
as far as for the 808...
here it's not the best as it s a QUICK video and watching it on your laptop won t do anything since we are talking SUB freq. but listen to it with a sub or low end efficient speakers and you will see... I never talk without being able to back up my words:

the toning you can do on a real 808 as NOTHING to do with the one you can do on a mpc or soft. It's a fact and proven by the video .

as far as my firend's sample I dont think he would mine me posting it. but I'm sure you will find something to say about it. Again he is not a ME and what I really liked on his version was the way he handled the low end. in the end and overall he was not picked for the project.

[Edward_Vinatea]

I am satisfied with what I heard from the video, sounded like a filter sweep knob. I guess my memory about the 808 has all but faded . That said, this thread wasn't about the TR-808 was it? To make this an educational thread, especially with this new fresh "2009" genre, we ME's would like to learn (me especially) what the sound is. Please upload the one your friend did and the one that the manager selected. It's the least you can do to share the knowledge.

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by Edward_Vinatea

I am satisfied with what I heard from the video, sounded like a filter sweep knob. I guess my memory about the 808 has all but faded . That said, this thread wasn't about the TR-808 was it? To make this an educational thread, especially with this new fresh "2009" genre, we ME's would like to learn (me especially) what the sound is. Please upload the one your friend did and the one that the manager selected. It's the least you can do to share the knowledge.

I will talk to the ME and see if it's cool then No problem.
M

[dimitvel]

I liked the song and just wanted to do it.....

[mdjice]

UPDATE:
after listening to many and picking 2 or 3 different engineers, I went with someone who matched my requirements as far as quality, experience, Knowledge, Pricing, Turn around and communication.
For these thinking I was just Full of it.... I kept my promises and sent Major artists (3 platinum artists already) to the ME and he mastered their newest single plus many songs of the new album and of course some indy work as well...I think Brian can verify this....
thanks to all.
God Bless
M

[lucey]

All true. I don't hang here often but saw this thread and sent a PM telling him that he was right to ask for this, and that y'all were right to be skeptical as it seemed odd, but not right to be venomous or snotty as often happens in these threads.

I did a sample when I had time, which was like 4 days later, and heard back a week or 10 later. The work he offered has come as promised. If you were giving this guy a hard time you missed out on seeing a good person beneath the image of this thread, and if you doubt his cred he's been a big part in some major sellers in his genre exactly as he said.

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by lucey

All true. I don't hang here often but saw this thread and sent a PM telling him that he was right to ask for this, and that y'all were right to be skeptical as it seemed odd, but not right to be venomous or snotty as often happens in these threads.

I did a sample when I had time, which was like 4 days later, and heard back a week or 10 later. The work he offered has come as promised. If you were giving this guy a hard time you missed out on seeing a good person beneath the image of this thread, and if you doubt his cred he's been a big part in some major sellers in his genre exactly as he said.

Thanks Brian

[Darwin James]

This thread has been a great read while I consumed a jar of Wasabi Peas. Like a soap opera, with all the dramatic elements. And a good conclusion.

Figure I'll toss a line out since this is a public thread. Im not a major label guy *yet* but I too need a few quality mastering engineers to choose from for my upcoming album. Anyone care to send me some rap samples of work you've mastered? darwinjamesmusic at gmail.com

[shmasterer]

I don't have any samples handy, but I've done Master P, Easy E, NWA and Chingy. Google me, Mark Chalecki.

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[Jesse Graffam]

haven't heard the other masters, but yeah... i'll do it for fun.

by the way... if you have not heard an Oberheim DX's Low Tom tuned all the way down (pitch tune, btw)... You SO need a sample of one doing it. It seriously puts the 808 kick to shame. Combine with another kick for the highs/click and... profit?

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This master wasn't compressed OR limited at all. I did however use a clipper that is far more advanced than anything else on the market. I wanted to keep the snap of the 808 kick attack on this, but I actually could have pushed it way harder. If that doesn't scare you after hearing the master, then check out the waveforms after you listen a few times. Actually... what I used isn't going to be public for a while, so I'm the only guy capable of doing this.

I also can't wait to cut some wax with it too, because it totally annihilates the lathe-clippers people are using. I can provide a pre-master for vinyl duplication that perfectly follows RIAA pre-emphasis (or another curve if someone requests it) with clipping tighter and WAY more clear than anything any plant anywhere can do.

Anyways, enjoy the master.


Now... to listen to what everyone else did.

[KaNeT]

Originally Posted by uncajesse

I did however use a clipper that is far more advanced than anything else on the market. I wanted to keep the snap of the 808 kick attack on this, but I actually could have pushed it way harder. If that doesn't scare you after hearing the master, then check out the waveforms after you listen a few times. Actually... what I used isn't going to be public for a while, so I'm the only guy capable of doing this.

I'm curious now... could you tell us a little more about your "magic" clipper ?

[Jesse Graffam]

Probably not. It's not even being patented initially because that'll just help the others (like Orban and Foti) more easily figure out how it's done.

I can tell you that it's not magic, just science and math.

[Chris Lago]

Wow, this thread is still going strong?

[It'sJoeAgain]

this is still an interestin thread but what i 'd really like to know is how that "paparazzi" mix was mastered....mdjice why not show us a clip of that???

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by It'sJoeAgain

this is still an interestin thread but what i 'd really like to know is how that "paparazzi" mix was mastered....mdjice why not show us a clip of that???

It's On Itunes !!
artist bobby Deyoe

[mdjice]

thanks Jay I think you can now lock this thread

[Riccardo]

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