30,000 to spend!

[metalflange]

I currently am running the latest Logic 9 and will be getting the a/d16x for my interface.

My Room is 20ft by 20ft with 8 Ft Ceilings
My Tracking Room is 10ft by 10ft with 8 Ft ceilings.
Neither Room is treated at this time. Any advice on treating these rooms would help me too.

Here is a current list of my gear.
brand new Mac Pro 8 core
Jbl LSR 4326 P Monitors
Mackie Hr824 Monitors
Apogee Ensemble
Mxl mic (kinda ok)
Waves Mecury bundle Native
3 sm58's 1 Beta 52

I am thinking about getting this gear.

1Crane Song Spider
1 Brit mod Distressor
1 Vox Box
2 Vintech 73's
Stereo 610 UA pre
Stereo 1176 Comp
1 Neumann U87
2 Neumann TLM 103
2 Rode Ntk
5 Sm 58

Is this a good start? What else would be good for a rig to mix and make okish masters? I know to Master you really need a different room and high end gear specifically for that. I just want to be able to get started.

[onion]

Originally Posted by metalflange

Is this a good start? What else would be good for a rig to mix and make okish masters? I know to Master you really need a different room and high end gear specifically for that. I just want to be able to get started.

i think it would be hard to give you good advice based on the info provided. for example, your gear selections suggest tracking applications (mics and preamps) but, at the end, you emphasize mixing and mastering. if you wanted to go for mixing, you might make some different choices with your budget...like less mics and preamps, more outboard eq, comp, fx, or plugins, a mixer/console/summing mixer, etc.

If you really plan to do a lot of tracking/recording, be more specific. what kind of music? what kind of instruments? piano, drums, vocals, guitars? synths? other stuff? this will likely impact your gear selection. you listed a spider as a potential purchase, suggesting that you anticipate tracking several channels simultaneously. if you want just overdubs, you save a bit of money going with the flamingo and hedd, getting something sonically very similar. this is just an example. the more specificity about your needs, the better guidance you'll extract.

[metalflange]

I really appreciate your post Onion.

We want to record bands of all styles. Guitars,vocals,bass,piano,synths,drums and whatever people throw at us. Most of our mixing we want to do in the box with Waves Mercury at this time. We will be sending most of our mastering stuff out when bands can afford it. In a situation where they can't afford to send stuff out we want to be a more affordable alternative.

[ruff mix]

I recommend that you begin with treating your rooms. Talk to Frank at GIK acoustics...he'll hook you up. I know it's not sexy, but if you can't hear what you're doing properly, you don't stand a chance.

There's a lot of people out here that wish they had $30k to spend, so you'd better not waste it...no pressure or anything

[McPhaul]

Originally Posted by ruff mix

I recommend that you begin with treating your rooms. Talk to Frank at GIK acoustics...he'll hook you up. I know it's not sexy, but if you can't hear what you're doing properly, you don't stand a chance.

There's a lot of people out here that wish they had $30k to spend, so you'd better not waste it...no pressure or anything

+1

Both of the rooms listed are square and 1 is damned near a cube! Start by making the rooms sound as good as possible.

[ManWalrus]

You could probably split that into 15k for treating the rooms and 15k for some new gear. I wouldn't go for the VOX BOX. That's a lot of money to spend for one channel. You could spend that 3600 on two Avalon 737s. Great Pres! I use them on everything from Toms to Vocals. Make sure you have a great chain for vocals to! I recommend the Avalon 737's into a UA 1176.

[rcb4t2]

Not that I'd want to mix in a 10x10 room per se but if I was in your position expecting to track full bands I'd definitely switch the rooms and use the 20x20 for the bands and the 10x10 for CR. Or maybe CR + tracking room in one plus use the 10x10 for iso/vox/etc. Definitely do all the room treatment, soundproofing, etc first and then buy the gear. And I'd recommend not blowing it out on a bunch of boutique stuff like you've listed. Hell, I'd only spend half of it and get the bare essentials to get things running and then see where you want to spend after that. What about buying 10k in bad-ass instruments, 5k for bad-ass treatment, one centerpiece fancy LDC and a handful of dynamics, a couple of SDC pairs. Get just the front end you need to track and leave most of the mixing ITB since you already seem well sorted on that front. Don't forget marketing, insurance, build-out costs, blah blah blah. There's a great post around the front page of this sub-forum ATM with some great info on realistic expenses for studios that have nothing to do with gear or sound.

[therealbigd]

Originally Posted by metalflange

I currently am running the latest Logic 9 and will be getting the a/d16x for my interface.

My Room is 20ft by 20ft with 8 Ft Ceilings
My Tracking Room is 10ft by 10ft with 8 Ft ceilings.
Neither Room is treated at this time. Any advice on treating these rooms would help me too.

Here is a current list of my gear.
brand new Mac Pro 8 core
Jbl LSR 4326 P Monitors
Mackie Hr824 Monitors
Apogee Ensemble
Mxl mic (kinda ok)
Waves Mecury bundle Native
3 sm58's 1 Beta 52

I am thinking about getting this gear.

1Crane Song Spider
1 Brit mod Distressor
1 Vox Box
2 Vintech 73's
Stereo 610 UA pre
Stereo 1176 Comp
1 Neumann U87
2 Neumann TLM 103
2 Rode Ntk
5 Sm 58

Is this a good start? What else would be good for a rig to mix and make okish masters? I know to Master you really need a different room and high end gear specifically for that. I just want to be able to get started.

what's your marketing budget?

or is that in the $30,000 too?

[zorf]

i know this is gearslutz, but....
i'd take the 30 large and put it down on a house.

[narcoman]

It's not a recording project so "marketing" has nothing to do with it. For best sonic results

room first, then monitoring, then all the lovely jubblies.

What would "I" do if I wasn't already in? Put it into a house.

[Barish]

Oh no not again!!!

I don't want Jules to ban me from another thread so I'll just back off and gtfo here

B.

[therealbigd]

Originally Posted by narcoman

It's not a recording project so "marketing" has nothing to do with it. For best sonic results

What?

If you want to be able to make a business out of the studio, you do actually need to let potential clients know the studio exists.

This process is called 'marketing'.

If you don't do it, you will struggle to get clients.

Unfortunately,doing this process to a high standard costs money.

So a marketing budget is required in real life too.

[narcoman]

How do we know this is for a business?

[therealbigd]

Maybe the fact it's in a forum called Studio Business is too obvious an answer.

[psycho_monkey]

original thread was a year ago....

[therealbigd]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

original thread was a year ago....

Correct, it was.

I hate it when people re-open threads for no reason and I don't notice the date of the first post!

[narcoman]

know what you mean.


OP might be using a studio FOR his business?


Look at me..... don't run a commercial studio but it's pretty central to the biz itself. Maybe his post would better in another area - I'm guessing it was a Q about set up.

yeah - Psycho - coming in here spoiling our fun.....

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by narcoman

yeah - Psycho - coming in here spoiling our fun.....

Psycho "killjoy" monkey, that's me

Anyway, who am I to get in the way of trampling on someone's misguided aspirations?! Carry on!