The Acid Test: How to tell if a Gearslut is AMATEUR or PRO:

[author]

Only amateurs support piracy.

Sorry guys, it's the truth.

[Digitar]

Originally Posted by author

Only amateurs support piracy.

Sorry guys, it's the truth.

Truer words could not be spoken.

[synthoid]

haha, but it's probably not the case that only professionals are opposed to piracy. I hope so anyway, otherwise there is no hope for the music industry.

-synthoid

[xj32]

True words!!!

[author]

Originally Posted by moracspace

not true at all.

Yeah, it is...

[huub]

No it isn't..

[jeremyglover]

we need to embrace the future, not live in the past.
lets get these websites to pay a royalty and then we can all be happy.

[author]

Originally Posted by passivepeter

we need to embrace the future, not live in the past.

Agree! And the Pirate Decade is almost over! thumbsup

[Skywalker]

Originally Posted by passivepeter

we need to embrace the future, not live in the past.
lets get these websites to pay a royalty and then we can all be happy.

Yes if these websites would pay a percentage of their profits to the labels/musicians it would be fairer.

Truth is such a tricky thing.

[PlugHead]

Originally Posted by author

Only amateurs support piracy.

Sorry guys, it's the truth.

Your truth, yes.

Sadly, my belief too...

[XHipHop]

You guys are having trouble accepting that the world isn't flat.

[Brian!]

I suppose no professional studio ever had any cracked plug-ins before, am i right?

[Admiral James T.]

Originally Posted by author

Only amateurs support piracy.

Sorry guys, it's the truth.

It's some people's truth...
Maybe pros are more afraid of piracy...

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by Admiral James T.

It's some people's truth...
Maybe pros are more afraid of piracy...

No , they're just feeling the consequences in their everyday job on the shrinking budgets .
Last year for the first time ,the number of cancelled contracts exeeded the number of new contracts . The music revenue has been divided by three since 2003 and by 2 from 2006 to 2008 . These are facts . not internet discussion . even worse the revenue from digital distribution and subscription is down for the first time ,talk about "new model" .

[rectifier]

Originally Posted by Brian!

I suppose no professional studio ever had any cracked plug-ins before, am i right?

Exactly.. I've seen them and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[Brainchild]

Ah, good...just when I was starting to think I hadn't been seeing enough pointless sanctimony here lately...

[equallyscrewed]

Originally Posted by author

Only amateurs support piracy.

Sorry guys, it's the truth.

So are only Pros against piracy?

Steve Albini said this about napster when it first came to light... "I have absolutely no complaint with Napster and other protocols for exchanging music. They are free exchanges. There's absolutely no money involved. To my ears, it's as harmless as making a cassette copy to trade with a friend."
Source : For Recording Industry, Napster Is Just the Tip of Piracy Iceberg - Los Angeles Times

Does that make Albini an amature? get off your soapbox.

[author]

Originally Posted by equallyscrewed

So are only Pros against piracy?

Of course not, who gave you that idea?

Besides, I didn't mean that there's anything wrong with amateur slutz.

[Admiral James T.]

Originally Posted by equallyscrewed

So are only Pros against piracy?

Steve Albini said this about napster when it first came to light... "I have absolutely no complaint with Napster and other protocols for exchanging music. They are free exchanges. There's absolutely no money involved. To my ears, it's as harmless as making a cassette copy to trade with a friend."
Source : For Recording Industry, Napster Is Just the Tip of Piracy Iceberg - Los Angeles Times

Does that make Albini an amature? get off your soapbox.

thumbsup

although some of his works sounds kinda like some amateur recording (which I like...)

[equallyscrewed]

Originally Posted by author

Of course not, who gave you that idea?

Besides, I didn't mean that there's anything wrong with amateur slutz.

Just the logic behind your original post.

And you can be the one to tell Steve he's an amature... I'm not doing it

[adpz]

Here's a short blurb for the pro-Piracy crowd
Taken from Variety.com this morning:

Following a recent earthquake in Italy, 56 Italian musicians recorded a charity single to help raise relief funds. The resulting "Domani 21/4/09" was distributed online for roughly $2.70, but over two million copies have been illegally downloaded since its release. "This time, (the pirates) aren't going against the interests of the hated music majors," says the song's dismayed producer, Caterina Caselli, "but against tens of thousands of citizens who have to start from scratch after having lost everything." [Variety.com]

So - why's stealing okay again?

L'Aquila quake: 300 dead, thousands in the hospital, etc.

[equallyscrewed]

Originally Posted by adpz

So - why's stealing okay again?

Who said it was?

[adpz]

Originally Posted by equallyscrewed

Who said it was?

I am referring back to the massive discussion had by all in all the Piratebay threads.

Are you going to tell me now how downloading isn't stealing? Fine, I know it's not always stealing and I am not against sharing.

But this case above is a perfect example of how the "no victims" mentality of the Lawrence Lessig crowd is nonsense.

[adpz]

Originally Posted by XHipHop

You guys are having trouble accepting that the world isn't flat.

The world's pretty flat in L'Aquila (see above) - maybe we can donate some pirated tracks to their iPods.

I would add, X, that you guys are (still) having trouble accepting that the world isn't free.

[equallyscrewed]

Originally Posted by adpz

I am referring back to the massive discussion had by all in all the Piratebay threads.

Are you going to tell me now how downloading isn't stealing? Fine, I know it's not always stealing and I am not against sharing.

But this case above is a perfect example of how the "no victims" mentality of the Lawrence Lessig crowd is nonsense.

So nothing really to do with this thread?

No im not going to say that, no doubt you've seen my opinion of piracy on the other threads.

I just dont get your relevance to the topic at hand which seems to be "members of this forum's pro/amature status can be rounded up by one opinion, not what they have done"

[author]

Originally Posted by adpz

Here's a short blurb for the pro-Piracy crowd
Taken from Variety.com this morning:

Following a recent earthquake in Italy, 56 Italian musicians recorded a charity single to help raise relief funds. The resulting "Domani 21/4/09" was distributed online for roughly $2.70, but over two million copies have been illegally downloaded since its release. "This time, (the pirates) aren't going against the interests of the hated music majors," says the song's dismayed producer, Caterina Caselli, "but against tens of thousands of citizens who have to start from scratch after having lost everything." [Variety.com]

So - why's stealing okay again?

L'Aquila quake: 300 dead, thousands in the hospital, etc.

My god, how lame can you be... (not you, adpz; I'm just shocked to see this. Your quote should be a sticky.).

[adpz]

Originally Posted by passivepeter

we need to embrace the future, not live in the past.
lets get these websites to pay a royalty and then we can all be happy.

My response was stimulated by this broaching of the thread confines.

I don't want a big discussion again - we've already done that - thought a little clear-cut blurb would remind us all of some things that could use reminding.

[adpz]

On the confines of the thread, I would disagree with the OP at least in practice.

I've seen too many PT rigs in big studios loaded with every plug-in that has ever come out. So, I don't think a pro environment is less pirated at all. Apparently some studios want to be sure that anyone can open ALL their plugs when they come in. So, really, this could also be a case of the end user's expectations driving the market.

That said, we could all be more professional - as in supporting our profession - by not stealing software. I do that the old-fashioned way - I don't use any software that doesn't come with PT.

Most of it is rubbish anyway.

[author]

Originally Posted by adpz

On the confines of the thread, I would disagree with the OP at least in practice.

I've seen too many PT rigs in big studios loaded with every plug-in that has ever come out.

You're absolutely right. I should have said:

Only amateur slutz support piracy -- here, in public.

That was what I meant, anyway. Pro's are simply more pro when it comes to lying, too. Obviously, they know it would be suicide to publicly support piracy. Amateurs have nothing to lose.

[clubber]

Originally Posted by equallyscrewed

Steve Albini said this about napster when it first came to light... "I have absolutely no complaint with Napster and other protocols for exchanging music.

He probably had said those words after he mADE a lot of money out of music biz.