The Acid Test: How to tell if a Gearslut is AMATEUR or PRO:

[drBill]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

I underlined your problem for you. You need to EXPLICITLY understand how things work.

No, I don't. I need to explicitly understand how to write great music and make excellent recordings. I'll leave the rest to lawyers and lawmakers.

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

Implications and inferences are useless in a debate that relies on concrete data and technology.

To you perhaps. I do not agree with you on that. I do not need "concrete" data and technology to know what is going on. I've been thru enough paradigm shifts, and changes to have a good feel for the difference between a simple paradigm shift, and a horrible disaster.

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

Yes I am. I in fact work for a major company whose products are very widely pirated.

Then I find it interesting you speak to other professionals in this dismissive manner:

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

It's hard to fight something "you" don't understand.
People on this forum need to get out and learn what's happening. Bitching and moaning about things "you" don't understand will result in absolutely nothing. Change requires action, and positive action requires education and understanding. You can not win against an enemy who's methods and motives you do not know.

How do you know we aren't being proactive and gathering information on our foes?
We may just have come to some different conclusions to you.
Difference of opinion.....not informed versus ill informed.

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by chrisso

Then I find it interesting you speak to other professionals in this dismissive manner:

I was (and am) directing my comments at people participating in these threads. Musician, engineer, pirate, hobbyist alike. I don't care who you are the discussion, action and solution affect everyone.

How do you know we aren't being proactive and gathering information on our foes?
We may just have come to some different conclusions to you.
Difference of opinion.....not informed versus ill informed.

In other threads people have demonstrated that their entire opinion is based on flawed basic knowledge of how technology works, the present social state of the prime pirate's age group and even basic knowledge of statistics. Then there are the people who come in and debate law without even haven take a cursory glance at the written law or precedence.

What bothers me even more than the people who ARE being pro-active based on ignorance, fantasies and propaganda. It happens rampantly on both sides, and it should happen on neither. When that occurs the solution will be obvious.

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by drBill

No, I don't. I need to explicitly understand how to write great music and make excellent recordings. I'll leave the rest to lawyers and lawmakers.

You trust the lawyers and lawmakers to always have your best interests in mind?

That's fine I guess, but why do you even bother in these discussions then?

To you perhaps. I do not agree with you on that. I do not need "concrete" data and technology to know what is going on. I've been thru enough paradigm shifts, and changes to have a good feel for the difference between a simple paradigm shift, and a horrible disaster.

I guess that fits with your above statement.

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

In other threads people have demonstrated that their entire opinion is based on flawed basic knowledge of how technology works, the present social state of the prime pirate's age group and even basic knowledge of statistics.

Current technology allows 12 year old girls to photograph themselves in sexual poses and text those photos to boys/men who they don't know.
Current technology allows young people to do all kinds of things, it doesn't mean everything they can do is right, either legally or morally, or even for their own well being.

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by chrisso

Current technology allows 12 year old girls to photograph themselves in sexual poses and text those photos to boys/men who they don't know.
Current technology allows young people to do all kinds of things, it doesn't mean everything they can do is right, either legally or morally, or even for their own well being.

Yes, and? That has absolutely, positively nothing to do with what I said.

People do any number of fantastic and horrible things with technology. How are you going to full appreciate the severity or mediocrity of either unless you understand the technology and the premise of its use?

[Vagodeoz]

I studied music production in one of the two top audio schools in Buenos Aires.
The first class we were going to start working with digital audio, the teacher starts talking to us about Nuendo, how it works... and he says it costs XXX$ (don`t remember how much), and that we should get the original version, not the pirate copies...

After the talk, he turns on his projector to show us how to use it, opens the software, and a big splash screen appears that say:

Nuendo v3.0
H2O Try before you buy


XD

[doorknocker]

Originally Posted by OMorgan

But I do, as an individual I can't afford to buy all the software I would like to try out PROPERLY, rather than demos. Without pirated software I wouldn't have made it to being a 'professional' and more to the point the studios i work at have bough a fair amount of software based on my recommendations, i wouldn't have made the reccomendations if I hadn't had the pirated software to start with.

Where do I fit in?

Well, I'd really like to have a career as a Formula 1 driver. Since I can't afford a Formula 1 race car, I'm going to steal one when the Form 1 circus hits town. After all, having such a car is the only way to get GOOD at it, isn't it?

[Adimus]

I propose, that from now on, digital music is to be banned!

ALL MUSIC MUST BE DISTRIBUTED VIA ANALOG MEDIUM!

Now, since we only have tape, vinyls and a different format of tape, where is the music industry? Are the sales going any better? We stoped the file sharing, but did we stop music sharing?

What if the internet went down?

IMHO, the problem with filesharing, is that it is so fast, and easy, it's just rude. Copying a tape from a friend used to take much more time. And before that, duplicating vinyls (onto Röntgen images) was a rather delicate process, not too convinient.

What I am trying to say is, with such an excess of music (good and bad), it is much harder to make a choice between what to buy.

When talking about software, it's a no-brainer. If you use it buy it.

[Adimus]

In addition to my previous post:

I think the big labels got used to investing $$$ into every single artist they sign. However for every artist, there are 1000 others doing same kind of music, so in the end it is only a mater of "branding".
If you bought washing detergent A, do you need then need washing detergent B?
You likely to take B if it was free. In the end they are the same thing. Not like you need 2 brands of detergent at all time.
Ofcourse the entertainment industry is pissed. They wasted alot of cash to create a surplus, and now every single consumer is well "fed"...
It's like all the stuff at Walmart. There is alot. Yet do you need it?
Do you respect all those artists enough, to pay for their music?