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Old 17th October 2012   #1
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Redo on studio or quit...

Redo on studio or quit...
Currently I have two rooms built in my garage in a shape that would accommodate my business and two separate rooms, one for tracking , one for mixing. I have great solid core doors sealed with outdoor weather stripping and commercial automatic closers. I have a great control room window with 2 pieces 6'x 3' of 1/2 inch in total each side laminated glass in a beautiful oak frame we built. I have spent thousands upon thousands in building materials and endless hours playing with DIY theories and room treatment... I have even recently (last week) built soffits for my nearfield monitors all to no avail. I have tons of ATS panels 16, tons of GIK diffusers 16, tons of corners filled with Rockwool and even a bass trap with 8' x 20" wood and insulation in a corner... but it's all a big mess. I initially wanted to do a small humble tracking and mixing room and didn't want to get into a full studio design for several reasons. One I don't know how long I will be in this house. Two, I have only the garage to utilize and wanted to keep use of the garage door. Three I have only 8 foot ceilings in my garage and know you need higher ceilings (15 +foot) for tracking say drums well and didnt have any great expectations of what the room could sound like.

At this point it seems I have to rip the wall out. I moved the speakers into the narrow part of the room in the walkway and they sound amazing to myself and my wife. we both shook our heads in disappointment with this project. I didn't measure but I know the shape is completely wrong in the side of the room I want to utilize just by hearing it... Secondly I can't move my mix position because of functionality of the house. At this point the wall is completely useless and I would rather not have the wall with its current behavior in sound on the mixing side. Before I begin to do anything I need desperately to understand what I keep and what I need to do. I still don't know if I want to hire a designer but I am willing to pay for consolation.
Here is a link to the build out. SoZo Capacitors Home Studio


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Looks like you've put in a lot of work into your project. Sorry it's not working out as intended.

Do you have floor plans of your existing build?

For starts, we should assess your current room's acoustics and decide what needs to change. If you're interested in a methodical approach to improve your room, please message me and I'd be happy to send you a few ideas on how I can help.

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Yes, a layout of the entire workable space is really in your best interest. You might be able to modify what you already have without a complete demolition. What is the major problem with the acoustics that the trapping cannot take care of?
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Sorry to hear the room isn't coming out like you'd hoped. That must be frustrating. :-(

Agreed with the above.... give us more detail and I imagine we can help make the space more satisfactory to your needs.
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Ill keep looking for pix of the garage here are a few from a while back



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That is certainly unfortunate. I remember you posting your mix room about two weeks ago on here. Hard room to treat. I would have much rather kept the space one large area and just use gobos or a large curtain to separate yourself while tracking. Usually in a small space, converting it into two rooms can pose many more problems than being helpful. On top of that, the fact that your control room is such an odd shape with a strong angle, and objects on the other wall, I wouldn't expect it to sound very accurate in there. Though treatment can help, I think (unfortunately) it may be more worth your time and money to rip down the wall and go for a reflection free zone around your mix position while treating the rest of the room sparingly for the recordings. This is just my opinion though, I would weigh in other advice aswell to see what is more do-able and practical at the moment. For example, if you need to build treatment in either set up - do it first and try it out in the rooms. If you can get good results, than stick with it..if not, tear down the walls and use the treatment in there

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I think I am going to take a bunch of 2" panels today and completely deaden the walls around the wide end of the room and listen and see if it helps. I have kept that end of the room more live and deadened the angled end to keep reflections from getting back to me but I am going to also deaden the wide end and see if I can control the sound enough. I can remove them a little at a time. It’s my last resort...
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Usually in a small space, converting it into two rooms can pose many more problems than being helpful.
This is why i didnt hire a designer in the first place, so many people said keep it one big room and track and mix in it but I find it impossible to track correctly.
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The treatment from floor to the ceiling on the walls is helping alot, i need to put up some sort of ceiling treatment too, what should I do for the ceiling and what else can I do?
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I think I am going to take a bunch of 2" panels today and completely deaden the walls around the wide end of the room and listen and see if it helps. I have kept that end of the room more live and deadened the angled end to keep reflections from getting back to me but I am going to also deaden the wide end and see if I can control the sound enough. I can remove them a little at a time. It’s my last resort...
If you do opt to make a single room, a big help for tracking would be to use sealed headphones, or earbuds, and possibly a time delay on the monitor signal.

What I do when tracking in my single room is ask the performer to practice a few bars and monitor at a low level with a delay line. Then when all the levels are set and it sounds good I put on headphones. It's a real pain sometimes because it might require more takes but it's one of the only options.
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If you do opt to make a single room, a big help for tracking would be to use sealed headphones, or earbuds, and possibly a time delay on the monitor signal.

What I do when tracking in my single room is ask the performer to practice a few bars and monitor at a low level with a delay line. Then when all the levels are set and it sounds good I put on headphones. It's a real pain sometimes because it might require more takes but it's one of the only options.
Had a single room, for me it doesnt work for tracking.
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agree, single rooms for me meant having to walk outside the room all the time as i struggled with levels/headphones.

your space is plenty big enough for 2 rooms. if it were me i would have done it without the dogleg and just put a straight wall in.

the downside with smaller rooms is you need more absorption and better reverbs at the other end.

do you have isolation issues also?
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