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Old 11th October 2012   #1
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Looking for a little help in reducing peaks and nulls

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I have been reading through sooooo much here for the last six months. I am getting close to having a pretty good grip on what my rooms behavior is and how to interpret the measurements I have taken. I have also started trying to treat the problems. One part that is still a little on the gray side for me is using the ETC. I understand what it shows and (I believe) I know how to determine using the string test what boundary I am looking for. The gray area for me is really knowing exactly what "spikes" I should be looking at. The ETC is really a ton of spikes, some are just higher in magnitude than others, so which ones should I be concerned with?

My room is approximately 16.5' L x 10.75' W x 7.9'
I have made large traps for 4 corners from floor to ceiling. These traps are 50" wide in the back and closer to 44" wide in the front. I can't remember how deep, but I think they were a few feet. These made a ridiculously huge improvement. Next I made some smaller triangle traps for the corners that meet the floor at the front wall and back wall. Then the same for the ceiling meeting the front and back wall. Another nice gain from these. I had some rockboard 60 available so I made a handful of ceiling tiles (what a headache that was) and this brings me to where I am now.

I have been trying to find the perfect listening and speaker position. My monitors have been throwing me for a loop with this, I have Adam S3A's and the fact that it has two woofers both putting out 150hz on down has made getting their spot tough. Keep going back and forth with vertical and horizontal orientation with the S3A's. Many have suggested vertical, but I think horizontal might be a bit better in my room. I have tried all available monitor heights. The lowest seems pretty good. Half height of my room is a little bit of a null. I have avoided this height for my ears and the center of the woofers. Using the Eigenmodes Calculator I have been able to quickly visualize the higher and lower pressure spots and have tried to use this as a map for placement of the speakers and me. I would love to know which way I should move forward with treatment by discovering what is the root of the remaining nulls.

Oh, and in some positions comb filtering can be heard in the mid and higher frequencies. I have attached some images from my measurements.
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How far zoomed in should one be to reading into the ETC? In my case, what is the first reflection that it shows? Should I be as concerned about the later arriving spikes that appear? What is the cutoff point since most seem pretty low in magnitude.
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How far zoomed in should one be to reading into the ETC?
This is the key, you need to zoom in more to see the "early" reflections. Reflections to be concerned about are those that arrive within 20 milliseconds of the original, and are louder than 15 dB down.

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getting closer!

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This is the key, you need to zoom in more to see the "early" reflections. Reflections to be concerned about are those that arrive within 20 milliseconds of the original, and are louder than 15 dB down.

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Thanks for the tip. I have zoomed around trying to inspect within the simple guidelines you just gave. I guess I don't know exactly what a reflection actually looks like in the ETC graph. I mean, zoomed out I can clearly see spikes here and there, but zoomed in, it all looks the same to me.

I have attached a zoomed in ETC. Any pointers on maybe a rough estimate on the timeline as to what is exactly looking like a peak from a reflection? Thanks a ton for the help by the way
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In the ETC; you want to see a time period of at least 0 (direct sound) milliseconds to about 50-100 ms (depending on the given situation) and between 30-40 dB range (where the direct sound is at 0 dB, also depending on the situation and design concept chosen). The best option if you want help in forums is to simply post the actual IR file (exported as wav/aiff so that it can be opened in any software by anyone). This way anyone can look at the data anyway they want to.

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IR file uploaded. Thanks Jens!
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Anyone want to take a second to open up the IR and take a peek? Thanks!
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IR file uploaded. Thanks Jens!
If you do a screen shot, then all of us can see it.
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I think that was the problem before that we are trying to avoid by uploading the IR. I don't know what to make the screenshot of. Where do I zoom in to? I thought my other screenshots were relatively close to what was asked for.

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