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Old 7th October 2012   #1
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LMV Bass Trap Recycled

Before this bass trap was a bass trap, it spent many years as a shelf that held a few hundred LP records. It was built in the '80s out of 1x12 pine boards, carpenter's glue and coarse-threaded drywall screws. It's not a fine piece of furniture to be proud of, just a functional storage piece that has held up well. Recently, our neighborhood had a yard sale and it failed to bring the 5 bucks I thought it was easily worth, so I decided to use it to make a bass trap. That may sound like a disjointed strategy but since we had just picked up ~100 pounds of used rock wool free at a work site, it made sense to have two cast-offs combine to make something new.

After a re-read of Tim's LMV bass trap thread, I decided that I could make it work in my mix room, which is in the infant stages of a re-treat & remodel job. So I ordered some 2, 1 and 0.5 #/sf LMV, then bought some caulk, screws, adhesives and a sheet of 1/2" MDF. So here's a picture of the shelf:



The first task was to caulk up every crack, knot hole and any other hint of a leak. I just used an inexpensive caulk, chosen because it sticks well to wood and remains pliable after curing.



I went Alice's Restuarant all over it, caulking the approach, the getaway, inside, the outside, the front side and the back side, smearing the sticky crap into any hint of a leak:



I did some simple lumber math to figure out how to make a half sheet of MDF work for one shelf unit. The idea was to add mass and, coupled with some nice semi-high tech adhesive, make the shelf unit less resonant. So we cut the sheet and began glueing and screwing the MDF in place:











Most of the second and 4th shelves were then cut away to form two larger chambers with a smaller one inbetween:



I then drilled one hole into each chamberand then stuffed each with a rubber stopper. These will allow me to stick a microphone into the chambers for some fun measurements. What I've done before is to roll up some cork around a piece of dowel to make stoppers that work better. I've also wrapped the mic with cork to make a seal between it and the box.









Next up, the rock wool was cut to size and set into place:



I'd picked up some cheap, stretchy fabric at Joanne's that is nearly air transparent. I used it and 1/4" staples to immobilize the wretched rock wool:






I plan to glue the MLV tonight and will post pictures after the glue cures and the trim boards are in place. The rock wool I used is about 1.5" thick. I put one thickness in the top and bottom (larger) chambers and two thicknesses in the center chamber. The plan is to cover the bottom chamber with 2 #/sf MLV and the middle and top chambers with 1#/sf MLV.
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.....The rock wool I used is about 1.5" thick. I put one thickness in the top and bottom (larger) chambers and two thicknesses in the center chamber. The plan is to cover the bottom chamber with 2 #/sf MLV and the middle and top chambers with 1#/sf MLV.
Nice work Syncamorea and a detailed description with good pictures!

Some thoughts regarding the dampening (soft fuzz) inside the box. Voetman recommended (for his SLAM units) half of the box depth filled with lo dens rock wool. Do not tension the foil. The SLAM was designed as a "broadband" LF-absorber with a "target frequency" and a gradually rising alpha below 500 Hz. (reverberation chamber measurement)

AFAIK the dampening has two functions.
1. Make the appearent box volume larger (sounds strange doesn't it...)
This will lower the resonance peak frequency slightly.
2. Act as a resistive damper of the membrane movement if placed behind and fairly close (but not touching) and thus widening the Q.

What is your goal? Hi Q?

Looking forward to see your measurements!

Cheers

Edit: Re: Voetman. Link added to adhoc's informative post (in Tim's hread) with additional link.

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Looking forward to seeing before and after measurements.
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What is your goal?
Global thermonuclear domination!

Err, sorry, had a movie playing in the background. No, I actually want to impress the chicks with the hugeosity of my limp mass. Oops, that's not it either...

I'm building these for a small room (3.7 x 3.3 x 2.4m) that I have been using for about 8 years as a mix room, listening room and booth. In the past, it's been fitted with minimal bass trapping and much of the diffusion and reflection has been random, due to the variable gear and stuff that was in the room. In spite of that, the room sounds very good and the mixes have translated pretty well, although there was a self-calibration phase required. So I know where the modes calculate to be but in actual use, it's the 250-500Hz region that needs the most help - and that's just my perception based on mix translation, reference recordings, etc. So, for example, 10 cm fluffy in 0.7 x 2 m frames in the corners tames the room pretty well. But I'm going to flush mount the monitors soon, add a cloud and make an RFZ. I know that will bring a huge change to the big picture of the room's acoustics.

Boggy's "My Room" concepts really peaked my interest, so I want to try a hybrid of that and to make some of my own (pseudo) air transparent diffuser panel designs to mount in a modular frame so pieces can be swapped out, moved around, etc. We plan to move out of this house in a couple of years so this will be a little research project making modular absorption and diffusion devices that will ultimately end up in a totally different space. Is that confusing enough?

To back up to the days of the dinosaur, I led a team that acoustically treated industrial and laboratory spaces that were, to be polite, "environmentally challenged". For example, we were fitting analytical instrumentation to large industrial reactors that synthesized polymers or pharmaceuticals or adhesives, etc. These were in huge, warehouse-type buildings that were loud, smelly, potentially contaminated with toxic crap and either cold or hot but never just right. So we began building modular enclosures so we could assemble them near the reactor and set up the instrumentation inside the portable room, install the instruments, then replace the modular room with a smaller enclosure and GTFO.

I got into limp mass vinyl sort of by mistake. In one one of these reactor mods, we had problems with a new, very expensive instrument and its manufacturer was not very helpful in resolving the issues. So we brought in an instrument that we knew was performing well to do some comparisons. We were fresh out of modular walls and had to have an adequate spray barrier at the least. Keep in mind that this was a polymer manufacturing plant and the warehouse next door just happened to have large rolls of vinyl that was filled with different minerals. We wanted to just hang some sheets of the vinyl as a spray barrier but knew it couldn't support its own weight, so we got a huge, heavy duty nylon tarp and laminated the vinyl to the tarp, cured it then hung the tarp/vinyl sandwich from the overhead steel. It was immediately apparent when you walked into the nylon/vinyl "room" that the sound of the facility was hugely attenuated. By no means anechoic, but the LF from the extruder (which had a cyclic, high force steel hammer) was cut by an incredible margin. A quick measurement showed that the sub 500 Hz region was quieter than in the modular room a few feet away housing the problem instrument. And keep in mind that the nylon/vinyl curtain was open to the ceiling truss structure: the opposite of air tight. From that point forward, I would watch for the opportunity to use nylon/vinyl curtains because they could be set up quickly as a first line of defense, then we could work inside the tent to set up our modular walls, etc. And the curtain would remain until our job was done because it really killed the noise.

Regarding the filling of Tim-style LMV bass traps, I've done a little testing but have not seen a huge impact. For a low resonance enclosure, I can see why some people don't add any rock wool or fiberglass at all. I like to pad the trap with dual density rubber/foam and load it against the room wall and I think the effect of that may swamp the effect of the filler but that is just conjecture.

Sorry for the ramble, more photos coming.
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Ramble excused.

Interesting and highly entertaining!

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Looking forward to the mic inside the trap!
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What ever happened with this? I really like the idea and would like to know if it works.
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I got sidetracked by a music video project. (that is now done)

I actually went out into the garage yesterday and told myself it's time to get back to it. Then I went back in and re-watched the music video. But i did go buy the hardwood flooring so the project is sputtering back to life. Stay tuned and thanks.
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