No. They are based on general guidelines (shoulds) and maximums (musts). I have been from the start of this thead writing specifically about the needs of Marc's studio.
Andre
jeez andre you really do like your semantics.
the 25db is an "average" of the noise levels at each band.
the guidlines i referred to as minimums, there is barely any difference but i'm sure i can split it with you.
I was thinking about options. All the storage areas, up until gouge's latest post have been tiny. How much space is there beside the control room sticking out? That MIGHT be an area for the storage, an dpotentially an iso booth.
Andre
Not sure how much room is left. I'll have to take a tape measure out to the yard and see. Great idea though. Also may be a good place for the hvac air handler?
Also, I believe I've failed to mention that the studio will be on a slab, the house is on a crawl space, which means small steps down to the bath/studio. I wonder how this will effect the half bath? Will I need to shove the bath back a bit to accomodate the stairs due to the loss of floor space?
that will depend, legislation in australia requires a min 750 landing at the top of any stair where a door occurs. may be the same in your neck of the woods.
regardless the layout i indicated on your model will still allow this type of setup if you make the half bath longer.
the 25db is an "average" of the noise levels at each band.
the guidlines i referred to as minimums, there is barely any difference but i'm sure i can split it with you.
All we have to communicate with is words. If the words do not clearly communicate what is meant, the communication is lost. Worse, there could be significant misunderstanding. A clear example of this is people posting about "sound treatment" without specifiying isolation or room sound.
We are dealing with specifics, not semantics. The 25 is not an average, it is the total energy in each band summed with A weighting applied to each band which is then converted back to dB. I suggest you study information on weightings, equal loudness curves phons and noise level criteria. There are Wikipedia entries on the first two. I have already linked information on ISO 226. Linked is an excellent article regarding noise level criteria, specifically for HVAC systems, but applicable to studio use. Room Noise Critieria
Edit: "converted back to dB" was "averaged." Gouge quoted the original post correctly in post #365.
Andre
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The 25 is not an average, it is the total energy in each band summed with A weighting applied to each band which is then averaged.
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All we have to communicate with is words. If the words do not clearly communicate what is meant, the communication is lost. Worse, there could be significant misunderstanding. A clear example of this is people posting about "sound treatment" without specifiying isolation or room sound.
We are dealing with specifics, not semantics. The 25 is not an average, it is the total energy in each band summed with A weighting applied to each band which is then averaged. I suggest you study information on weightings, equal loudness curves phons and noise level criteria. There are Wikipedia entries on the first two. I have already linked information on ISO 226. Linked is an excellent article regarding noise level criteria, specifically for HVAC systems, but applicable to studio use. Room Noise Critieria
Attached is Marc's latest with doors. The doors may seem rather low. They are only 6'8" tall while the windows are 7'5" high! I used 36" as the width of the doors.
Andre
I strongly suggest going with 7', or higher, doors everywhere as a practical necessity.
As a studio owner/operator I see many items that barely make it through our lowest doors, which are 7' doors, and sometimes the cartage or players have to tilt the basses and harps to get in.
Keep in mind that some heavy acoustic doors have thick stops that decrease dimensions.
I was thinking about the ongoing concern about storage area and came up with this. Details, especially the corner meeting the control room and what to with the angled space need work. Think of it as conceptual. The room is large enough to be lounge area, with furniture against the main studio wall, that would be pushed back when needed for a second iso booth. One of the nice things is that with that location, the storage space can also include closet for rain gear when needed.
Are you referring to the entry/iso, or iso 2?. Either way, still basically a rough draft, but feel I'm getting close.
Understood.
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Are you referring to the "slant" where the door from the entrance/iso, to the live room will be?
Yes.
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OK, this has to be a Canadian to SC translation problem. What the heck does that mean?
You and gouge have been working on the end of the studio adjacent to house. My post, that you were quoting, was about the other end of the studio, where conrol room and iso booth are. By "movement" I meant moving things forward in design.
An unsuccessful attempt at literary variety in phrasing.
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Movements WITHOUT toilets,.. yikes!
Your end of the studio design has a toilet. My end did not. It seemed an appropriate closure for the post.
You and gouge have been working on the end of the studio adjacent to house. My post, that you were quoting, was about the other end of the studio, where conrol room and iso booth are. By "movement" I meant moving things forward in design.
An unsuccessful attempt at literary variety in phrasing.
Now I understand. Truly difficult to understand "typed" meanings sometimes.
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Your end of the studio design has a toilet. My end did not. It seemed an appropriate closure for the post.
It was, although you didn't get my humor I don't think. The word "movement", at least here, also could mean "bowel movement", thus... "movement without a toilet, yikes!" Get it?
OK, enough of that,... back to your regularly scheduled program.
I was thinking about the ongoing concern about storage area and came up with this. Details, especially the corner meeting the control room and what to with the angled space need work. Think of it as conceptual. The room is large enough to be lounge area, with furniture against the main studio wall, that would be pushed back when needed for a second iso booth. One of the nice things is that with that location, the storage space can also include closet for rain gear when needed.
Andre
Not a bad idea.
I don't think I had it labeled as such in my last sketchup, but the smaller "triangle" at the back, right hand corner (top view) of the control room,..between the external wall and the outer control room wall was supposed to be a small closet. There should be enough room,... I'm showing a little over 3' inside width dimension, and could go a couple of feet back.
1. control room
2. studio
3. drum alcove
4. iso booth
5. entry
6. cupboards, (mic locker in control room)
7. half bath
8. sound lock
9. built in seat with storage under
10. machine cupboard.
1. control room
2. studio
3. drum alcove
4. iso booth
5. entry
6. cupboards, (mic locker in control room)
7. half bath
8. sound lock
9. built in seat with storage under
10. machine cupboard.
Overal it looks good. What is that thing to the left of the main window in the control room? What ratios did you use for the control room? A dimensioned drawing would be of great value. Skethup form would permit looking around, further analysis and such stuff.
Overal it looks good. What is that thing to the left of the main window in the control room? What ratios did you use for the control room? A dimensioned drawing would be of great value. Skethup form would permit looking around, further analysis and such stuff.
Andre
Great minds think alike Andre! I'm joking of course.
Seriously though, I was going to ask similar questions regarding this layout, particularly how the slightly different control room would fit within my yard parameters.
I'm still "on the fence" on having more storage and less iso room/live space. I'm fully aware of the need for storage, as my small space now is packed with stuff and no where to put it all. However, at least for what I have now, one good storage closet would just about take care of any "storage" issues I currently have.
In my last layout, I had one storage closet up at the corner triangle of the control room, and one beside iso 2. If I combine those with perhaps the built in seat storage in the control room, I'm thinking that might be plenty, no?
Great minds think alike Andre! I'm joking of course.
Seriously though, I was going to ask similar questions regarding this layout, particularly how the slightly different control room would fit within my yard parameters.
I can say nothing about fitting in your yard I asked several days ago about the available space and you wrote that you would measure it. I have seen no data.
[quoteI'm still "on the fence" on having more storage and less iso room/live space. I'm fully aware of the need for storage, as my small space now is packed with stuff and no where to put it all. However, at least for what I have now, one good storage closet would just about take care of any "storage" issues I currently have.[/quote] We are running into the problem of the limitations caused by the width. Remember that the room besude the control room is first of all a sound lock. The footprint of what is available restricts things that we can do. The ability to use it as the second iso is a bonus of good space utilization in design.
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In my last layout, I had one storage closet up at the corner triangle of the control room, and one beside iso 2. If I combine those with perhaps the built in seat storage in the control room, I'm thinking that might be plenty, no?
I do not know your storage requirements. Gouge and I work with what you write in this thread.
I can say nothing about fitting in your yard I asked several days ago about the available space and you wrote that you would measure it. I have seen no data.
[quoteI'm still "on the fence" on having more storage and less iso room/live space. I'm fully aware of the need for storage, as my small space now is packed with stuff and no where to put it all. However, at least for what I have now, one good storage closet would just about take care of any "storage" issues I currently have.
We are running into the problem of the limitations caused by the width. Remember that the room besude the control room is first of all a sound lock. The footprint of what is available restricts things that we can do. The ability to use it as the second iso is a bonus of good space utilization in design.
I do not know your storage requirements. Gouge and I work with what you write in this thread.
Andre[/QUOTE]
Sorry its taking so long for additional yard measurements. When I get home from work everyday, I help with supper prep,..then eat supper, then get the children bathed and ready for bed,...by then its dark outside. Whew! Just saying it makes an old man exhausted! Measurements will be forthcoming asap.
I'm not really sure how much storage I'll need as I've only dealt with my small space. Certainly I'll likely need more as I expand.
those limitations are in our minds more than anything as well as the initial brief needing some rework.
which has been done to in some ways by the envelope changes. but, i've provided numerous designs that work within the revised envelope so i'm not sure what the issues is there anymore.
anyways back to the current layout. i'll provide dims but i'm about to head out the door for work then i have a going away party tonight for my little brother whos heading around australia. so it may be a day before i can focus.
to get you going. the control room was traced over the top of your current control except i rotated it to square up the interface with the entry and changed the proposrtions of the returns at the back of the room. so now the volume has increased substantially.
the drum alcove again was traced over your current layout iso room.
the whole thing was traced over your current layout with some adjustments here and there to make it "work" better.
Overal it looks good. What is that thing to the left of the main window in the control room? What ratios did you use for the control room? A dimensioned drawing would be of great value. Skethup form would permit looking around, further analysis and such stuff.
Andre
another window.
used the underlay of the current room in skp model.
will do.
can i make a suggestion. you tell me ideal angles ratios etc.
like in the real world. i've done that on all of my sketches so far.
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What about (for storage) having a hinged bench run the length of the live room?
Would only need to come out about 2 ft from the wall. This would give you ample storage and you won't have to build a separate 'room' for it.
Can be a place for performers to chill in-between takes as well.
What about (for storage) having a hinged bench run the length of the live room?
Would only need to come out about 2 ft from the wall. This would give you ample storage and you won't have to build a separate 'room' for it.
Can be a place for performers to chill in-between takes as well.
something like this. this would need to be a little deeper. a daybed type setup needs around 800mm but the location is more the important thing at this stage.
I was thinking about options. All the storage areas, up until gouge's latest post have been tiny. How much space is there beside the control room sticking out? That MIGHT be an area for the storage, an dpotentially an iso booth.
Andre
OK, I was able to go out and measure the yard. Unfortunately there is simply not enough room for the additional storage area as indicated in your illustration.
Where the left side of the control room sticks out(top view) is already pretty close to a tree (2.5 to 3 feet or so). I really don't want to "crowd" my landscaping back there. Currently the footprint will neatly "tuck slightly around" my existing landscaping. Any storage will have to be within the 23'X41" constraints.
I keep trying to come up with reasons why I should need anything more than a couple of storage closets, and perhaps a bench style storage, and I cannot.
I will need a place to put mics, and small accessories. Cables can go on hooks on the wall (like I'm doing now). Mic stands will be neatly organized on one side, or corner of the live room for immediate access, as I've seen in many a pic of larger studios.
I will admit however, that since I've never owned a larger studio, I'm merely going on what I "think" I might need.
Well, regardless of future compromises, you asked for help, so here is my little bit of help. I went ahead and arbitrarily pulled the jpg of the plan above into Sketchup, although the only scale I have to work with is a 36" door. Based on that alone, I was able to simulate the general intent of the plan, although some things may be not at the scale you are thinking of. Anyway, at least you have a file to start working with. It would help if you could take a few pics of the house, and some dimensions too. Anyway, for what it's worth at the moment. Here is some jpgs.
And for anyone who wants the .skp.
the sketch will scale up to fit Marc's sketchup model in current circulation. as the width of the live room sheel and the length to the far wall atthe entry are traced from a print of the sketchup file.
the front width of the control room as well as the angled walls were traced directly off marc's sketchup model also. the length i am pretty sure is the same also. i made sure the head supporting the roof truces lands on the rear wall of the control room so the "structure is the same rectangle" floating around.
all other lines/angles are done to eye by hand so that the proportions feel right
i'll also get a sketchup model online to scale tomorrow when i've got more time if that helps you.
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